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Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
Diagnosed with one 4mm or (2) 2mm kidney stones in lower pole of left kidney (radiologist couldn't determine).

Doctor wants to perform Lithotripsy to break up stones so they can pass. I bruise very easily and am concerned about kidney bleeding and possible kidney damage from the Lithotripsy procedure.

Anyone had this done? What was your experience like? Can you comment on my concerns?

Also hearing good things about the herb "Chanca Piedra" for breaking up kidney stones and gallstones and passing them virtually pain-free. (Sounds too good to be true). Again, anyone have experience with this herb?

I don't really understand how this happened. I drink a ton of water everyday.

Thanks
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
If your diet is high in oxalates, you will likely form stones. It doesn't matter how much water you drink if you are constantly forming stones.

Go to FB and look for the group "Trying Low Oxalates." Susan Smith has the most reliable information out there. Years of research.

Whatever you do, take spinach out of your diet!

My husband takes chanca piedra every day since he makes stones all the time. He is just now deciding to change his diet. He loves chocolate .. he has cut down considerably and it has helped.

Another thing is that if you've ever had Cipro or other fluoroquinolones, your gut probably does not have the necessary bacteria to digest the oxalates. You cannot currently replace that bacteria. They are working on developing a probiotic that contains it, but no success at this point.

I hope these tips will work for you! Take the chanca at least twice a day. Do some research and see how much you can take at the max.
 
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
Thanks Lymetoo.

Been taking lots of zithromax over the years. Drinking lots of green tea.


OOOOO, I have been using green barley grass for constipation, which works great. Don't know about oxaltes with green barley. Haven't been able to find out on the internet.
 
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
I am going to try this, but may not be able to use due to it lowering blood pressure by relaxing blood vessels and lowering blood sugar.

I already have blood pressure that drops from prolonged standing and take extra salt and licorice for this. I could increase these, but salt can contribute to kidney stones. And I have hypoglycemia and eat extra protein to control. This could drop the blood sugar even more.

But it may not hurt me. Can only try to find out.

Also looking at castor oil packs.
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/123173?

Topic: kidney pain

Chanca Piedra Links & Salvia m. Links
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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
What are you saying lowers BP??

I'll ask about barley .. I don't remember.

Avoid chocolate, potatoes, tomatoes, peanuts, spinach .. for starters.

You have nothing to lose by trying the chanca piedra.
 
Posted by lapis29 (Member # 47626) on :
 
been there, done that

tried EVERY-F-IN-THING under the sun

the only thing that really worked was chanca piedra..somewhat. you need to take a lot of it though. will definitely break up the stones.

but the heavy hitter is hydrangea root. yes! this stuff is like a miracle for kidney stones. $7 on amazon. worked better than every other thing I used by far.

highly recommend trying ot
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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It would be important to know the size and composition of this (if that's possible to know).

Your doctor should be able to help guide in regarding if holding off on the Lithotripsy could put you at risk regarding the urgency of getting it "out" or diminished from possible ability to cut from inside or it if might become lodged in urinary tract, etc.

Possible bruising might be the least of things to consider -- yet I would think your doctor has already gone over the pros and cons of waiting, I hope.

Be sure to tell your doctor of what else you might be doing / thinking about as it is important to keep them in the loop and give them the chance to weigh in.

If, at all possible, best to have an N.D. consult on this. A N.D. would also be able to better guide you on any possible alternate options &/or what might also help along with lithotripsy procedure if that seems the best approach.

The thing is, too, that not all kidney stones have the same composition. If you pass some / all of this, it's important to try to "catch" it and have it examined. That will help to guide your diet or other proactive / preventative measures moving forward, etc.

Good luck.
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Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
LymeToo,

Chanca Piedra lowers blood pressure supposedly.
Hydrangea root also helps with kidney stones, says Lapis. thanks

Keebler, thanks for your info. I am being over whelmed with kidney stones, gallstones (no symptoms with this, I don't think) mild blockage at junction of kidney and ureter - could be deformity from childhood, and a post-menopausal cyst on ovary that ruptured a few months ago, talk about pain.

I'm going to try shrink cyst with castor oil packs. It will be checked again in December,and if it hasn't changed, I may have it and ovary removed.

Also will use castor oil packs for gallstones and kidney stones along with chanca piedra and maybe hydrangea root. Haven't ruled out the lithotripsy. Scared of the procedure and the cost.

Will read your link, Keebler.

Thanks for the list of foods, LymeToo. I eat a lot of potatos.
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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Many herbs that help with blood pressure or glycemic load are adaptogens in nature and work more to balance, to modulate for what is needed at that time for the person.

I have NMH, a kind of low blood pressure yet I find most herbs that have blood pressure lowing properties do not affect me that way (though one medical mushroom that starts with "G" sure turned out not to be right for me).

Chanca Piedra will cause some pretty profound relaxation as that's just part of its nature. It's good to know that so that you'd be home relaxing and not out driving, etc. when taking at doses for acute issues. Still, best to have an ND advice.


Also to consider: pain will play havoc, sheer havoc, with blood pressure.

As you study up on those herbs suggested - or find a good ND, you may find that the ones to consider would be fine - or another way to approach.

Also consider that - if you are laid up with an acute kidney stone, you're not going to be out driving or running around. You're likely going to be lying down and rather out of commission anyway.

If the herbs considered are not adaptogenic in that way, you would be in a position to manage by lying down (or eating smaller meals more often, getting in a little sea salt, etc) until the acute issue resolves.
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Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
Thanks Keebler. I hope they are adaptogens. Nature is amazing.

I'm really not in much pain. What happened was, my gynocologist found a little blood in my urine.

I went to urologist, had CT scan done, and all this appeared. My stone or stones are in the lower pole of left kidney, and from what I have read, usually stay in that spot, because it is hard for them to make it to the ureter.

I have some mild groin pain, some microscopic blood in urine. But, of course the pain could get worse, and the stones could get larger.

I am hoping that by shrinking them with herb and/or lithotripsy, they will find their way out.

Thanks for the suggestions to lie down, sea salt, etc.

I ordered the herb and castor oil packs and they should be here Wed or Thurs. Put a rush on the order.

Now I have to find out what kind of money I am looking at for the medical procedures.

Thanks everyone.
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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As with anything new you take (whether Rx, herb, etc.) it's best to not drive or walk around heavy traffic / busy streets or narrow roads.

As I mentioned above but just want to be sure I had not edited that in after you first read it, Chanca Piedra is sedating / relaxing in nature. See how that works for you in safe space.
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Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
I didn't know it was sedating. Thanks.

I may have to go ahead with medical procdures because I have a mild ureteropelic obstruction, which doctor wants to check out. This may make passing kidney stones more difficult - I'm guessing. He said he may put some die up there, and if it comes back out he is not worried about it.

Otherwise, I guess he would have to correct it with surgery.

The cost for all of this (lithotripsy included)would be $1,125.00 - my co-pay. Yeah, I have lots of money.

So I'm hessitant to try to shrink these and pass them with the blockage, but if it dissolves them, that would be great.

But, I guess I have to think this through very carefully.

I have been slowly figuring this out.

Either way, procedures or not, I will use the herb if I can tolerate it, because it has got to make this whole thing easier.

My head is spinning.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Not sedating to my husband .. NOPE!

Taken with lemon juice .. it will DISSOLVE.
 
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
Thanks Lymetoo.

So your husband never feels them pass, they just dissolve?

Would the juice of one lemon be enough per day if I divide it up with each dose of chanca piedra? (I bought the pill form of chanca - can't take the alcohol.)

Boy, if they would just dissolve, I wouldn't worry about the mild blockage at ureteropelvic junction.

[ 11-02-2017, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: Rivendell ]
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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This may not be sedating in nature to some yet it sure is to me. And it is described in research literature as having that property.

There may be a difference in the alcohol tincture (it works faster, perhaps, too) and in capsule form, though - or just differences in people's constitution, etc.

Still, as with anything new is taken, it's a good idea not to drive, walk near heavy traffic if walkway is right next to vehicles - or operate certain machinery for a stretch of time until one can see how their individual response works out.
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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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With lemon juice, be sure to fully water swish after consuming so as to protect tooth enamel. And wait for 30 minutes to brush since the acid can soften enamel and it needs some time to harden up so it's not brushed away.
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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Rivendell .. He only feels them pass if he doesn't watch his diet. It's not usually really bad, or he would certainly be watching that diet more closely!!

He shouldn't even be creating them to begin with .. it's all about the oxalates.

Correction .. He had one pass about 3 weeks ago and it was because he RAN OUT of the chanca. Big OOPS that I don't think he'll be doing again any time soon.

Other than that, no worries.
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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Tutu's note about not wanting to ever run out of key itmes reminds me,

As winter approaches, if possible, it's a good idea to stock up a month ahead in case trucks have a hard time getting through due to snow storms.

Even if something is sent by air, it still has to get to the airport and then from airport to us.

Blizzards can cause long delays and even lost packages.

Though, with Herb Pharm tinctures (they call this Stonebreaker) and many other top brands of supplements, those lucky enough to live near real food markets can find things there. Yet it's nice to always have on hand a full supply.
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Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
Keebler,

I take it that you have used Chanca Piedra. How did it work for you? Was passing the stones painful while using this herb?

And good thinking about the weather and no running out.

Thanks
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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I never passed a kidney stone but did have some kind of attack that seemed to have been a kidney "attack" which met all pain patterns for a kidney stone, the wrap around grabbing pain like no other, etc.

-- this helped within a half hour to bring the pain down a bit. Though I also soon was put on antibiotics to cover infection possibility,

it's hard to say that I circumvented a kidney stone or it was so small it passed before I started using a sieve to strain urine that my doctor recommended so it could have been tested for mineral composition.

I don't know if I had an actual kidney stone or not but I had also just started taking Benicar (? for the Marshall prototol). That was a huge mistake and I think led to the kidney attack.

I take it Chanca Piedra now and then for periods of time for kidney / gallbladder support or easing of pain in gallbladder area. Salvia m. - for me - is a more long term kidney support though, that also helps in many other areas.

Chanca Piedra (I use Herb Pharm tincture) is very calming to soothe muscle spasms so I find it may help prevent seizures when there is too much noise around my apt.

I cannot say that in your urgent and acute case, this is the best approach or not. It would be good to have medical advice for the specifics in your case, with all things considered.

If you use Chanca Piedra and find it helps, after a certain time that your doctor might suggest, would another imaging of kidney be feasible (affordable / covered) to check on the stone's size / improvement.
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Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
Keebler,

Thanks for your info and glad the chanca helps your nervous system to stay calm so you can avoid a seizure. I appreciate all the valuable info you provide.

My case is really not acute. I have very little pain (mild groin sometimes). I had micrscopic blood in my urine found by gynecologist, so went to urologist to rule out cancer.

They found a couple of stones in lower pole of kidney. From what I have read online, most stones in this area don't move, which could be good or bad. Also a mild obstruction where the kidney meets the ureter - most likely stuctural. And gallstones, but no symptoms.

Doctor pushing me to have gallbladder removed even though I have no sysmptoms, to have lithotripsy, and an exam for obstruction.

I want to do one thing at a time. I want to shrink my ovarian cyst which is causing me pain. I want to keep the ovary. But may need to have it surgically removed.

Along with saving the ovary, I want to make sure the kidney ureter obstruction is not bad, so I can use the chanca and other methods for the lower pole kidney stones that probably won't move, but could get bigger.

I think the urology clinic is seeing $$$$$$.

I'm about to go somewhere else.

Thanks so much Keebler.

Another subject: Are you using Rife machine and how do you like it?

And LymeToo, I appreciate all the info and first hand experience with your husband"s chanca treatment.
 
Posted by Badtick (Member # 9794) on :
 
I can attest to the power of "Chanca Piedra". I am a huge fan of this herb. It saved me from surgery.

I bought it in bulk, 1 kilo quantities, and took it in capsules and extracts.

It is also a fantastic treatment for lyme and company.
 
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
Thanks Badtick. Did it totally dissolve your stone? Did you herx from it?
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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You ask if this will cause a herxheimer reaction.

No, not likely at the typical dose for kidney support.

I find the only effect is that it's relaxing to me, helps reduce the pain.

While I do not drive anymore, were all things okay so that I could - this would likely still make me too relaxed to do so. It may not for you - just at first - do not plan to drive until you see how this works for you.

For maintenance, it may be fine with some food and that could change how it affects regarding relaxation, too. For acute use, likely best not to have it get lost in too much food in the stomach, so to speak.

But if you have an acute kidney stone situation, it's best not to drive, anyway.
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[ 11-09-2017, 12:22 AM: Message edited by: Keebler ]
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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You say "Doctor pushing me to have gallbladder removed even though I have no symptoms,"

Well, that would be the first sign I'd be finding a different doctor [and possibly raising this with the medical board].

I know it's complicated and all the facts might not be in your short note but that just sounds ridiculous & dangerous - and it puts any patient at risk to have any kinds of invasive procedure like that -- IF they bleeping do not need it!

There are many way to help protect the gallbladder, by the way. If diseased, it may be best to remove, of course, but it sounds like yours is just fine(?).
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[ 11-08-2017, 01:23 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]
 
Posted by Badtick (Member # 9794) on :
 
Chanca Piedra is actually a potent antimicrobial and it was highly effective for me in treating Lyme and Babesia when Mepron/Zith/Art combos weren't doing the trick. I used high doses and yes, I did experience lots of die off/herxing.

In addition to saving my gallbladder many years ago, I attribute my full recovery from the big 3 (lyme, babs, bart) to the help of this herb.
 
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
Thanks both Keebler and Badtick. Both of your posts have helped me so much.

Keebler, I have a cyst on my ovary that I am trying to shrink. Gyn doc found blood in my urine, so I went to this urologist.

He found kidney stone/stones in lower pole of left kidney. I have read that stones in that location tend to stay put and don't necessarily need to be dealt with.

BUT, he found a mild obstruction where ureter meets kidney. And he found gallstones.

He wants lithotripsy, gallbladder removal and to check mild obstruction, which he said could be hereditary.

My ovarian cyst ruptured once, and am afraid all this surgery might make it rupture again - no one listens to me when I tell them about this concern.

All of the urologists in my area have consolidated, making it hard to get a second opionin - although I am going to try.

So, I would take chanca if I thought stone could dissolve enough to make it through the "mild obstruction".
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Have you not taken any yet?

any herxing should be minimal .. you will not be taking high doses

By waiting, You are dooming yourself to lithotripsy .. Even those who have to have it done have AN EASIER TIME OF IT if they've been taking chanca.
 
Posted by josh123 (Member # 48198) on :
 
Rivendell,

I had to go to ER this year for pain in my stomach both sides. Had kidney stones both sides. Also Gallbladder dysfunction issue ( but no gallstones) for which the doc suggested to take out the gallbladder. But I said will change my diet and see.

Since then stopped fried and fatty foods and took Chanca Piedra (suggested by Lymenet folks) for 1.5 months. Recently stopped but planning to start again. Since then I did not have any kidney stone pain but occasionally I feel pain around lever and gallbladder area. This could be because of not able to detoxing well because I am taking abx and other herbs.

I would say start Chanca Piedra and see any difference.

Thanks and Regards,
 
Posted by josh123 (Member # 48198) on :
 
Badtick,

You have mentioned that you took high doses of Chanca Piedra. How many caps per day were you taking to see some improvement related to Lyme symptoms?

Thanks and Regards,
 
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
Lymetoo,

I haven't started the chanca piedra because of the obstruction (a narrowing)where the kidney meets the ureter. I have this obstruction on both ureters and the obstruction is not a kidney stone. It is just narrowed for some reason.

I am afraid that if I start breaking up the stones located in the lower pole and they start to move, they may not make it through this obstruction, and I would be in a lot of painful trouble or more.

I am not in pain now, but have blood in my urine.

I guess because of the obstruction, I will be forced to do the lithotripsy and have obstruction fixed too at the same time, so any further stones or fragments can pass.

I want to take the herb now, but am afraid. But I will certainly take it after lithotripsy, and forever after if I can tolerate it. Also, lemon juice, change diet, increasing citrate minerals, etc.

I was told by my PCP that the stones could cause the narrowing, or the narrowing could cause the stones. Sooo...

Really don't want to spend that kind of money. Oh well.

Thanks everyone for your help and guidance. I hadn't heard of chanca before posting here.

If someone has had an obstruction like this - a narrowing, not a stone blocking - please tell me about how it was fixed.

Thanks again.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
They MELT.
 
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
Thanks Lymetoo.

Apparently if I don't get the narrowing fixed, I could lose a kidney. The narrowing is not a stone, just the ureters getting tighter, I guess.

I'm just afraid to try the chanca and afraid of the surgery.

It melts for most people. What if it doesn't melt for me? If I didn't have this stupid narrowing, I wouldn't be afraid to try it.

Some of the reviews of chanca said it didn't work. Of course, maybe they weren't taking a strong enough dosage.

Some said it just broke it up into smaller chunks that were still hard to pass.

Most, however, said it worked great. Like your husband and others here and most reviewers.

I seem unable to reconcile this, but I will.

Thanks so much.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Hugs and love to you. I hope you get it resolved soon without any damage.

[group hug]
 
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
Thanks LymeToo. I need it.

When I read about all the damage that can occur from lithotripsy, I don't want to go there.

I am going to see the urologist, again, and suggest just finding out more about the obstruction. If it is mild, I think I'll do the herb.

Lithotripsy can cause severe hemorrahge (I bruise easily, and they want me to stop Vit C before the surgery), damage to surrounding organs, hypertension, diabetes, and renal failure. The risks increase with age. I am going on 64.

Thanks for hugs and love to you.
 
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
Anyone had lithotripsy done? Scares me.
 
Posted by tickbite666 (Member # 43399) on :
 
I had it done a few years back. I had a 7mm boulder and two small 2mm stones behind it. I was begging to get to the ER, and didn't have much time to get off my herbals, which also thin out your blood making any surgery dangerous.

I've had stones in the past, like every other year since 1999, and they always passed on their own. Never could catch one to have it analyzed to see what causes them.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
tickbite .. get on the chanca .. and also lower (slowly) your intake of oxalates. Most stones are from oxalates...

Keep us posted, Rivendell.
 
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
Tickbite, thanks for sharing your experience.

Rexl, thanks for the links.

Lymetoo, I have started the Chanca in small dosages, slowly building up.

Have appt. this week with urologist and am going to ask about having lasix renal scan, which can look at the blockage, which is supposed to be mild. I would rather do this than surgery.

Goofey me, I already sceduled the lithotripsy, and now I am backing out.

And I can't stop all the vitamins and stuff for two weeks prior to surgery, which they want. I get too sick without them.

Sooo, hopefully, he will be okay with me going this route.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Cool... good luck!

Hubby was supposed to also take organic lemon juice. He didn't last very long on it .. due to taste. But it's supposed to help melt the stones also. Can't hurt unless you have acid reflux.
 
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
I'm squeezing out the juice from a whole lemon and adding it to my cooled green tea everyday. As I increase the chanca, I will increase the lemon juice.

Everything I have read says green tea is okay with kidney stones. I hope so, because it plays a big part in my lyme/bart treatment.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
I'll ask on the Trying Low Oxalates group.

http://alwayswellwithin.com/2010/04/27/high-oxalate-foods-can-trigger-pain-and-inflammation/
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
These are the only LOW oxalate green tea brands... Drink ONLY ONE cup per day.

Beverages LOW OX Tea, Green, Makaibari Green Darjeeling tea from India
(5 g re-steeped in almost boiling water for 5 min) 1 cup

Beverages LOW OX Tea, Green, Makaibari Green Darjeeling tea from India
(5 g steeped in 12 oz almost boiling water for 1 min) 1 cup

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Beverages LOW OX Tea, Green, Kukicha (Twig), 1 bag steeped in 8 oz
boiling water for 4 min 1 cup
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
PS .. The Kukicha is on the high end of low.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
My sister had a procedure a month ago where stone was broken apart and sucked out at the same time. She had a lot of fatigue after but felt way better than the 10 days after they found stone til when they took it. Then a week ago they broke one up and she passed it. Again fatigue but minor pain. Good luck.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
I hope she knows to follow the low ox diet!
 
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
Thanks LymeToo about the green tea info.

I stopped the chanca piedra. Got some pain in my kidney and it scared me. Still doing the lemon.

RexL, I do have Bartonella, so this all looks interesting.

Am using essential oils mixed with coconut oil rubbed all over my body, and this is working wonders, but must stick with it. These essential oils are also anticoagulants, so I can't do surgery now.

Could use some prayers. Thanks

[ 11-20-2017, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: Rivendell ]
 
Posted by TF (Member # 14183) on :
 
The link above is Don Mau.

It is NOT the CDC or any other lyme organization. So, don't be confused!

You can look up Don Mau here on LymeNet using the "search" function if you want to learn about him.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Please report him any time you see him. Thanks. .. I just reported it.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Rivendell.. regarding the calcification .. Oxalates get into ALL tissues, so keep that in mind as you review your diet.

It's a systemic problem.

Many prayers for you.
 
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
Thanks Lymetoo. I don't mind people telling me about what has worked for them, but they shouldn't come across as having found the cure. Evernyone is different. And scams are so bad.

Didn't realize it is systemic. Oxalates seem to be in everything. I guess I need a list of what I can eat.

I am reconsidering the lithotripsy now, because of the blockage and then thinking moving forward doing more lemon and chanca and doing my best to change my diet.

Yep, my head keeps spinning. I wonder where it will land next.

I have another health issue. May post about it later. Thanks for the prayers.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
I know. The diet totally sucks. I have to follow it or I'm in a lot of pain.

Keep going! You will make it!

[group hug]
 
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
Thanks LymeToo! Will do my best with the diet.

Guess I am having the lithotripsy this Thursday. Have not mentioned lyme disease, which I am still treating. Don't know if I should. Don't like getting into the controversy.

But will mention the zithromax - maybe say it is for sinus problems, which I also have. Told him about the green sinus discharge I have at times, and he didn't seem concerned.

The doc said I could keep taking the vitamins. Said I may bleed a little more, but he is not concerned.

Just afraid to mention lyme disease.

So sorry you have pain.

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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
You shouldn't have to mention Lyme unless you want to.

What was that about zith?

Best of luck with your litho .. [group hug]
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
I just found my way back here...my sis is still good after procedure. She seems healthy but has smoked and used alcohol regularly for yrs. I'm not sure how that could have compromised her health relating tokidney stones

Tutu...I mentioned diet and she wasn't interested at all. Except when I said lemons. Her doc told her that. She peels a bunch chops insides up in blender and freezes that in icecube tray. Then pops the cubes into her daily water...she works hard managing an office. I copied her ice cube trick and often dissolve one in cup of hot water ...like tea

I hope it went well and you recover quickly. The fatigue seemed to be worse thing for my sis
 
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
Thanks Lymetoo and Kayak.

Had it done. Feel very beat up and tired. There is more I could say, but another time when I can think more clearly.

I appreciate all the support.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Happy to know you survived it!! Take good care of yourself!

[group hug]
 


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