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Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
Many of the symptoms of Gulf War Syndrome are the same as Lyme, in fact it appears that it is Lyme.

They have concluded that 1/4 to 1/3 of the 700K soldiers came back with GWS. All of them were given vaccines & some multiple vaccines before the war.

Is it possible that the vaccines might have contained Borrelia or Borrlia blebs?
 
Posted by no_lyme_in_florida (Member # 5537) on :
 
I would think that Lyme is a real long-shot when it comes to explaining GWS.

Here is an interesting article I found that talks about the possible connection between GWS and the taking of the antibiotic Cipro by the soldiers.

http://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20131101/NEWS/311010018/New-FDA-warnings-Cipro-may-tie-into-Gulf-War-illness

Here is another article talking about the possible connection to 'Fluoroquinolone Toxicity Syndrome'.

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/01/06/gulf-war-illness-tied-to-cipro-antibiotics/

Here is a blog by a doctor about the warning labels that were required to be attached to fluoroquinolone antibiotics regarding tendon ruptures.

Read the large number of comments the doctor posted below his article if you want an eye opener on the dangers of these pills. The list of complaints (joint pain, tingling, muscle twitching, numbness, depression, muscle pain, insomnia, brain fog, etc.) reads like a laundry list of lyme symptoms.

http://drmintz.blogspot.com/2008/07/tendon-rupture-with-cipro-fda-caves-to.html

I found that blog after having a tendon in my knee rupture after taking Cipro for 2 days. I also had to be taken to the emergency room with a dangerously high blood sugar level that was also caused by the medicine. I will never, ever take a fluoroquinolone antibiotic again in my life, and imo serious consideration should be given to banning these class of drugs outright.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
I thought it was mycoplasma with the GWS...
(Dr. Garth Nicolson)
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
I've also heard it might have been from exposure to sand fleas in the desert.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
Or where did you do your basic training...i know someone who got a bullseye in MA and sx later when overseas
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Very true. Sounds logical to me. Their bodies could handle the exposure until they were hit with all of the vaccines and the stress of the war.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
They could have easily picked it up during training. Ticks are everywhere, and nymphs are as tiny as the period at the end of this sentence (I've found nymphs on me before).
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
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Perhaps the highest scientific authority saying vaccines are contaminated is Dr. Garth Nicolson. He is a cell biologist and editor of the Journal of Clinical and Experimental Metastasis, and the Journal of Cellular Biochemistry.

He is one of the most cited scientists in the world, having published over 600 medical and scientific peer-reviewed papers, edited over 14 books, and served on the editorial boards of 28 medical and scientific journals.

He is not just saying that vaccines are contaminated with mycoplasma but is warning the US that they are. Nicolson goes further and says that we are all being damaged by them and contracting chronic degenerative diseases.

(Dr. Nicolson linked Gulf War Syndrome to Mycoplasma, multiple vaccines given to the soldiers.)
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
The tick stories is what I heard to. They are LOADED with ticks at the camps. There is no maybe, just do or die out there.


I have heard of soldiers spraying themselves too, but simply sweating & it not being enough. The ticks just keep on coming.


Here is an interesting guy who attributes his symptoms to a "VACCINE" that the military gave him. After this all his trouble started.


Vaccines are at times derived from animal products. They try to grow the virus/bacteria in the animal in question & then attenuate it in some way & then reinject into a humans.


Unbeknownst to them, they may be injecting borrelia & their attenuation process might not do anything to this organism.

I think it is possible.
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
Here is a nice story about an individual who got vaccinated, never got deported...never went to war & GOT THE SYNDROME!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7Xiz7azP_Y
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
If you listen to this guy patiently, you will see symptom after symptom that it is the same symptoms as Lyme.

I have most of the symptoms he describes & other ones he does not as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X-ADGCmxyI&list=UUtT_1NmF4rx1q9d_VB2O3PQ
 
Posted by CinMI (Member # 43045) on :
 
Dr Garth Nicolson has linked it to mycoplasma infection. Where they were infected, well, the gov't would have to answer that. Vaccination? Biological warfare? The govt was NOT happy with Dr Nicolson when he outed the mycoplasma fermentans he found infected Gulf War Soldiers, who came home and gave it to their wives and children.
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
I've got 90% of his symptoms & I can see the spirochete in my blood smears.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lymedin2010:
Here is a nice story about an individual who got vaccinated, never got deported...never went to war & GOT THE SYNDROME!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7Xiz7azP_Y

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Wow... I'll check this one out tomorrow!
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
Vaccines are derived from animal or animal products, so when you get the vaccine you get also some animal DNA, viruses & you CAN also get spirochete BLEB forms. With more & more humans, insects, & animals infected some WILL end up in the vaccines.


The reason why they add the MERCURY is in hopes of killing some of these pathogens, but at the end roll the dice & see what you get.


Check this vaccine video out & you can forward to 43:00 to get a glimpse of how vaccines are made. This is a very good documentary, I recommend you watch it all when you can.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1m3TjokVU4
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
WOW, this is just such a good video (especially the last 1/4 of the clip) & it helps me understand some of the similarities we share with the Gulf War victims.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxMWbTO1L-I


Detox is a major role us Lymies contend with. These veterans were also exposed to various fumes & chemicals & even pesticides (Permethrin & Deet) & out of the 700,000 deported about 1/3 of them are chronically sick today (200,000-300,000).


I contacted one of the veterans & spoke to him about our related symptoms. Here are just some of the symptoms we have in common:

-Muscle twitches

-Night sweats & anytime sweats

-Shortness of breath

-Tremors (funny he describes it like a pager, just like us Lymies do)

-Electrical zaps, he calls them bolts

-Heart palps

-Joint pains

-Migrating pains, pins & needles. Knife pain.

-Headaches, brainfog, forgetfullness (he needs to write things down to remember).

-Sleep issues

-fibromyalgia

-arthritic pains

-If he does not get sleep his symptoms get worst.

-At times his symptoms just get worst & when he sleeps an hour many symptoms subside (WOW, JUST LIKE ME!!!)

-Frequent thirst & urination

-Pain out of nowhere behind the eyes


Some of the symptoms he has that I do not:

-Muscles tighten (ex. calf) (although my neck feels tight at times & clonopin or felxeril seems to calm it down)

-Sensitive to heat on his back (like a lobster being boiled he says)

-IBS & diarrhia (although I had all sorts of stomach pain & ABX helped with that)

-nausea & vomiting (I had periods of nausea lasting for 3-4 months & always felt like vomiting but never did, this went away though).


I think I may have forgot to ask him about certain other symptoms...on the next round I will cover those.
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
We are experiencing the same disease as GWF.
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
I have been doing some more dabbling into Gulf War Disease & Lyme. As some mentioned the Mycoplasma connection & there appears to be some truth for some people.

http://www.neuro-lyme.com/Mycoplasma.html


We cannot ignore the ever growing Lyme epidemic with the concurrent toxic exposure and immune regulations and stress for some vets. It must have been the "EVENT" that triggered Lyme or mycoplasma and whatever else was lingering and going chronic.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
I have myco.

I am under the impression that mycoplasm aerosols were dispersed over Canada in the early days of bioweapon development.
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
Aha, maybe this is why I share 90% crazy symptoms with a GWI.


http://lymediseaseresource.com/wordpress/sandflies-in-iraq-infect-americans-who-bring-home-lyme-disease-and-multiple-co-infections/
 
Posted by momintexas (Member # 23391) on :
 
I have also heard it's linked to Mycoplasma.

I know a handful of GWV that all have mycoplasma pneumonia that won't go away.


My vet told me that Myco p is also commonly found in animal vaccines too.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
And human vaccines.
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
Yes, there has been a link with mycoplasma pneumonia & I too have high titers for it. No one can say if it is on going infection though. There are some links to EBV/mono, HHV6.

http://vlgonvalcyte.wordpress.com/2012/06/28/man-down-millions-more-going-down-from-gwicfsautismlymeptsd/


The combination of vaccines, chemical weapons & toxin exposure & stress all lead to lowered immune systems. Then everyday bacteria & viruses, as mentioned above, come in & take over. Very similar to what we may experience with some cases of Lyme.


From reading it appears that their training camps are loaded with ticks too & many have reported seeing ticks or being bitten. Add this now to the sand flies & we get a mixed bag of illnesses & symptoms.


http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2940885
 
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
 
I suspect that I have had some type of mycoplasma, that may have been from my tick bite. Rife frequencies have knocked it out pretty well. No antibiotic needed.
 


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