This study was done in France. I was very surprised to see the mention of stevia as a biofilm buster in developing a better PCR test!
I couldn't get the whole article without paying for it, so don't know how stevia was used as a Biofilm buster to improve the detection of Borrelia using PCR on blood .
Biofilms busters to improve the detection of Borrelia using PCR
Alexis Lacoutt, Véronique Dacher, Mostafa El Hajjam, Pierre Yves Marcy, Christian Perronne
Abstract Lyme disease is an affection caused by a spirochete infection called Borrelia Burgdorferi which may harbor a varied and misleading clinical symptomatology.
The serology tests commonly used for diagnosis show a wide sensitivity varying from 34% to 70,5%, leaving many infected patients with false negative tests.
Alternative techniques such as polymerase chain reaction (PCR) could be helpful but not conclusive enough.
Using biofilm busters, such as stevia and serratiopeptidase, could lead to bacterial blood release, thus increasing the spirochete load,
making PCR test more sensitive, thus improving the patient’s diagnosis and management.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- For what it's worth, For over 25 years - yes, 25 years and all the time ill with lyme & coinfections (never access to a full protocol of any kind but have done what I could afford on my own)
- I've been a near constant consumer of stevia in my tea (and I drink a lot of tea daily). I began it before it was even in the public marketplace and before it moved from a "supplement" to a "food" -- I have found no magic in stevia regarding lyme.
I do enjoy it in my tea, however and it seems to have other healthful aspects for me but I've certainly seen nothing to shout out about.
While this article is about helping testing be clearer - and that's always good,
whether to prepare for a test or for treatment, I think there are better options than stevia.
Though, also used in the study and not sure if it was only together or also separate,.
Serratiopeptidase - is the highlight of that study, I think.
Serratiopeptidase - or a form of that is a supplement that many LLMD and LL NDs recommend for many years to address biofilm. It may have action separate from stevia.
Buhner has also written that over 40 plants (likely more) have action against biofilm. More in next post. -
[ 02-27-2018, 05:26 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
Stevia’s antibacterial actions against lyme disease
Dear Stephen,
What are your thoughts on . . . antibacterial actions of stevia against Borrelia bacteria?
Stephen’s response: Jun 21, 2017
. . . The study, in my opinion, is useless and misleading. . . .
. . . We have not seen ANY antimicrobial effects [of stevia] in clinical practice. NONE. . . .
. . . There is a list of perhaps 40 herbs that break up biofilms [in book] . . . .
[Full detail at the link above.
Some excerpts:
. . . 1) The study is in vitro and hence has nothing to do with how the herb will actually work in a living body. . . .
. . . 2) Stevia is not a very systemic herb. . . .
. . . 3) We have over a decade of clinical experience with stevia in the treatment of lyme disease; we suggest it as a supportive herb for a number of problems (blood glucose, etc).
We have not seen ANY antimicrobial effects in clinical practice. NONE.
However, the herb, because of effects on the GI tract, does help increase the bioavailability of herbs and pharmaceuticals (as does licorice, for example), as such it can help make antibacterials more effective. . . .
. . . 4) The herb is also touted as helping break up biofilms. NOTE: Most herbs contain substances that help break up biofilms; plants figured out how to do that millions of years ago. . . .
[Much more detail at link] -
Posted by Mashieniblick (Member # 50588) on :
In Rawl's book Healing Lyme I think he says that stevia doesn't really get past the digestive system and into the blood. It is just passed through the body as waste.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Well, I disagree with some of the comments.
Stevia, like all plants, is not ONE chemical. It has probably hundreds of chemicals inside, that act differently depending on the plant and the person who is taking it.
I can only say that I do energetic tests and that stevia does test good for some people.
My daughter now is on stevia for dealing with some intestinal bug (probably E. coli), together with cumin seeds and Artemisa absynthium (wormwood).
It may not deal with lyme, but it may deal with other problems, and depending on the combination, you may get some good results.
I would not give stevia up.
If it has no antimicrobial effect, it may have other effects that help increase health, anyway.
I would trust my gut feeling more than scientific articles. That is just my opinion.
Posted by Charlie Fitzgerald (Member # 50657) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ann-Ohio: This study was done in France. I was very surprised to see the mention of stevia as a biofilm buster in developing a better PCR test!
I couldn't get the whole article without paying for it, so don't know how stevia was used as a Biofilm buster to improve the detection of Borrelia using PCR on blood .
Biofilms busters to improve the detection of Borrelia using PCR
I'm not surprised at all, this is why antibodies and tests show positive after months of treatment of antibiotics. Antibiotics disolve biofilms, as does stevia.
Dr. J and many of the other lyme literate doctors have suspected this all along as well, listen what he has to say about Biofilm and antibodies. https://youtu.be/WlQukRz_Rj8?t=13m17s
Honestly, this isn't rocket science. If the spirochetal bacteria is hiding underneath the biofilms, how would your body or a blood test ever be able to detect this bacteria? It's not going to happen, you must first remove the protective barrier to sense and kill the organism. I suspect the CDC/IDSA have known this all along. I really don't think these scientists are looking at different things underneath a microscope. Many other bacterias form biofilms and this is what makes them antibiotic resistant.
CDC/IDSA = Plausible Deniability, just as Politicians = Plausible Deniability.
Biofilms are the main reason this bacteria isn't showing up on blood tests, it's the main reason it's staying chronic, and it's the main reason I suspect why people feel so fatigue throughout the day. Persister/Dormant cells and coinfections still play a role as well. But if you're unable to reach the persister cells that are hiding underneath biofilm colonies, how do you ever suspect you'll cure this disease?
As Dr. H has shown through his new treatment with Stevia and some of the new persister cell drugs, these combinations work more effectively than just the traditional antibiotics. But we might just still be scraping the surface.
These latest breakthroughs on biofilm buster Stevia and persister drugs like Dapsone, Pyrazinamide, and Disulfiram are leater to bigger and brighter things...
Sadly, not many Lyme patients and Lyme literate Doctors are aware of these breakthroughs, because I think these supplements and already approved FDA drugs could help a lot of patients right now!!!
Posted by Charlie Fitzgerald (Member # 50657) on :
quote:Originally posted by Keebler: - For what it's worth, For over 25 years - yes, 25 years and all the time ill with lyme & coinfections (never access to a full protocol of any kind but have done what I could afford on my own)
- I've been a near constant consumer of stevia in my tea (and I drink a lot of tea daily). I began it before it was even in the public marketplace and before it moved from a "supplement" to a "food" -- I have found no magic in stevia regarding lyme.
Buhner has also written that over 40 plants (likely more) have action against biofilm. More in next post. -
I've seen lyme patients write and repeat the same thing over and over again. I don't mind commenting on this again, but I hope it sheds some light. Dr. S has reported that the powder form did not show much promise, while the raw extracted liquid form did.
"Researchers used four types of stevia: three in liquid form derived from standard alcohol extraction and one powdered. The powdered stevia diluted in liquid did not show promise in killing off Lyme, but the alcohol extracted stevia samples did."
I've had much success using the Sweet Leaf Whole Leaf Stevia Concentrate Tincture with persister cell antibiotics Dapsone, Pyrazinamide, and even Disulfiram. I take 3-4 drops underneath my tongue for better absorption.
These antibiotics and herxing are strong and breaks must be taken, because the toxins building up in your body. I've taken 1-2 month breaks of antibiotics to tolerate some of these same drugs.
Dr. H is having a lot of success using Stevia liquid tinctures with his new persister cell antibiotic protocols. Some patients even reaching remission, just so you know I'd take Dr. H's word over Dr. R or Steven Buhner any day.
quote:Originally posted by Mashieniblick: In Rawl's book Healing Lyme I think he says that stevia doesn't really get past the digestive system and into the blood. It is just passed through the body as waste.
lol, Dr. R is not a scientist and would not know the official bioavailability of stevia in the body. I'd suggest taking the word of a doctor with more credibility and lengthy history in the field of Lyme like Dr. H from New York than some new Doctor that hawks his books on lyme forums, charges astronomical prices for herbs on his website, and pays for ads on Facebook. Not to mention this guy makes astronomical claims of healing patients with just herbs, it's just not probable you're going to reach remission with herbs by themselves, considering how resilient this bacteria due to biofilms and persister cells. Fact of the matter is, patients with persister cell diseases like AIDs, Leprosy, Tuberculosis, MRSA were never cured just by using herbs.
Mashieniblick, Dr. R isn't a credible lyme literate physician nor has he ever been. This guy pays big money for facebook boosted ad posts, thousands of people like and love his post, then patients think his treatment is some magical cure.
A successful lyme literate doctor and treatment plan should be based on decades of treatment and testimony by thousands of lyme patients. Like Dr. H, Dr. B, and Dr. J. Reputation should be built up, not paid for, especially in the Lyme community!!! So many people have been scammed over the years.
Dr. R doesn't have any of this, we should take his word for it, lol? Are you kidding me?
quote:Originally posted by Keebler:
Buhner has also written that over 40 plants (likely more) have action against biofilm. More in next post. -
lol Oh so everything Buhner said is set in stone Keebler? Are you kidding me, what's he basing his findings on?
It cracks me up, that Lyme patients are skeptic on Stevia, the one herb that they've found to eradicate spirochete biofilms in lab studies, but everything else these naturpaths are preaching about other herbs being biofilm busters are true? Are you kidding me...
Breakthroughs have been made with new particular persister cell antibiotics, as well as biofilm busters like Stevia, but patients are still relying on old treatment that has made little progress over the years? It being 2018...
I'd love to hear what herbs are biofilm busters Keebler and how does Steven Buhner know that these are official biofilm busters?
And believe me, I'm a true believer that herbs are antibacterial and do help people, but I know that very few actually work on biofilms and persister cells "effectively." And remember, there's a reason why Dr. S tells you the percentages how antibiotics like Tindamax erradicate biofilms like 60%, round bodies by 90% etc. Those are just hypothetical, I can't remember what percentages she gave. But just because some herbs have some form of antibacterial effect on persister cells and biofilms, doesn't meant they are going to eradicate them completely. Stevia was chosen because it's very effective and has a high percentage.
I really don't think patients understand how resilient biofilms and persister bacteria are.
There's only a few herbs that work on these different forms of borrelia. I know the recent one which was found from the work done by John Hopkins was Oregno Oil, but that was for persister cells, not biofilms.
[ 03-04-2018, 09:32 AM: Message edited by: Charlie Fitzgerald ]
Posted by Bartenderbonnie (Member # 49177) on :
Hey Charlie Fizgerald
May I ask you where you purchased the Stevia ?
I have been looking for stevia rebaudiana whole leaf raw product, that is, not an extract that has been subjected to harsh cooking methods. Just because a product says 'natural' doesn't necessarily mean it is so.
As all my other supplements are pharmaceutical grade, I'm looking for researched pharmaceutical grade stevia. If I had the energy, I would grow my own.
So glad you are making such great progress !
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Q asked: Re: Buhner has written that over 40 plants (likely more) have action against biofilm.
. . . what's he basing his findings on?" (end quote)
A: Extensive information detailed along with numerous citations in his books. -
Posted by Charlie Fitzgerald (Member # 50657) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bartenderbonnie: Hey Charlie Fizgerald
May I ask you where you purchased the Stevia ?
I have been looking for stevia rebaudiana whole leaf raw product, that is, not an extract that has been subjected to harsh cooking methods. Just because a product says 'natural' doesn't necessarily mean it is so.
As all my other supplements are pharmaceutical grade, I'm looking for researched pharmaceutical grade stevia. If I had the energy, I would grow my own.
So glad you are making such great progress !
You want to get the purest darkest form Bartenderbonnie, I use the brand Sweet Leaf Whole Leaf Stevia Concentrate
Even Sweet Leaf makes clear flavored stevia forms, don't buy these! You want the purest form.
I don't dilute stevia neither, I put 3-4 drops right under my tongue for better bioavailability, as people should be doing with most herbs. I know it tastes bad, but if you want to have successful in treatment, this is what I recommend. This is how cancer patients take rick simpson oil, no dilluting, putting it right on the tongue or under the tongue, hold for 15-30 seconds and swallow.
The fact that we thought we are actually treating biofilms with just the enzyme supplements like serrapeptase and nattokinase. Those never did anything for me, until I used some of the persister cell drugs with Stevia. And still, we might be still just scraping the surface considering we're just taking stevia by mouth form. If scientists would figure a way to take Stevia intravenously, this might lead to something seriously big.
I honestly think biofilms is why people herx really bad and feel toxic afterwards and I truly believe biofilms are the reason why patients feel so run down as well. My fatigue didn't start going away till my last stages of treatment and I started using the Sweet Leaf Whole Leaf Stevia tincture.
When I get off stevia, the fatigue comes back, "even when I'm on antibiotics." Just like Dr. J said your symptoms would with biofilms https://youtu.be/WlQukRz_Rj8?t=13m17s
And honestly, I think after a month or two of being on Stevia, it wears off with biofilms. So you have to kind of pulse it! Or just take it for a month, take a break, then get back on it. I get a rush of energy when I do this! Stevia always works best when you're in the beginning of treatment, when you're off from a break or trying a new antibiotic. From my experience! But herxing can be bad, so maybe start off slow.
When I first took disulfiram and doxy, I couldn't even tolerate taking it with stevia. Now I can after being on disulfiram for a month.
I think stevia even works with tindamax and flagyl too, one of the most successful antibiotic biofilm dissolvers we've known. Problem is, tindamax nor doxy kills persister cells.
So that's why persister cell drugs must be taken with biofilm busters probably in the last stages of treatment or the infection will just keep coming back.
Very complex disease, but I think we've made a big breakthrough with these drugs.
Just so you know Disulfiram helps AIDS patients wake up dormant virus cells. Remember, the 3 recent studies from John Hopkins, UConn, Embers state this is why Lyme stays chronic, not genetics, candida, mold, parasites, radio waves, etc... "Yes Persister Cells!" https://www.sciencealert.com/alcoholism-drug-brings-dormant-hiv-virus-out-of-hiding
A lot of hope on the horizon, but the process is slow of getting this information out to lyme literate doctors and actually trying these drugs because they still worry about the side of effects of new drugs as well as losing their license.
I believe Disulfiram is a lot less serious drug than Dapsone or Pyrazinamide, so I'd give it a try if you can get it with your doctor. But I'd pair it up with doxy and Stevia or it won't have as much efficacy.
Studies has shown Disulfiram works with a copper supplement too, but I haven't tried that yet...
Posted by Charlie Fitzgerald (Member # 50657) on :
quote:Originally posted by Keebler: - Q asked: Re: Buhner has written that over 40 plants (likely more) have action against biofilm.
. . . what's he basing his findings on?" (end quote)
A: Extensive information detailed along with numerous citations in his books. -
So you're saying he basis it just off his treatment with his patients and experience? And maybe some of Dr. S is work in her lab? That's all I could see it being based off of, since Dr. S was the only one doing lab work on herbs a few years back.
The fact of the matter is, Buhner doesn't have naturopathic practice where he can test these herbs on 10s of thousands of patients like Dr. H, lot of this is based on word of mouth and studying the plants and understanding their resilience, so pretty much guessing. Maybe he did have an underground practice at one point like Rick Simpson did back in the day. But I have yet to hear of the testimonials of thousands of people jumping for glee they've been cured on the forums.
Studies on a lot of these herbs are just starting to crop up now in recent years, since Universities and labs are just starting to uderstand borrelia and it's resilience because of biofilms and persister cells. Fact of the matter is, Buhner along with the other naturopaths just hawked numerous hurbs at lyme patients and hoped for the best, truth be told.
So many thought GSE was an "effective" biofilm and round body buster, that wasn't true at all. I tried it, along with others, did nothing. Why, because it isn't penetrating biofilms or killing persister cells.
Look no one's denying that these herbs aren't antibacterial and even powerful, what these scientists are saying is, there's only a few that actually kill off biofilm colonies "effectively."
Stephen Buhner would of never known before hand what herb would work on persister cells or biofilms, other than maybe Dr. S work on samento and others. You can't just guess and hope they work, this is why treatment has failed so much back in the day.
And just so you know, the recent breakthrough in this Disease is because of the scientists at John Hopkins and a lot of Dr. J and Dr. Hs work of testing these persister cell drugs on patients.
I like Stephen Buhner and his protocols, they were hope when patients didn't have much choices to choose from. But lets not embellish what this guy has acomplished. Fact of the matter is, there's still many persister cell bacteria infections like Leprosy, MRSA, and Tuberculosis that killed 100s of thousands, if not millions of people back in the day.
I'm sure there were plenty of naturopaths that made outrageous claims back in the day like Buhner, fact of the matter is, Leprosy and Tuberculosis were cured by pharmaceutical compounded drugs. Lets not forget that!
Times have changed because of recent scientific studies, lets go with these recent findings, not on guessing. People's current opinions on Climate Change comes to mind
There's so many people that rely on their own intuition rather than science, human beings are a very superstitious race.
There's still so many people preaching the same old things on lyme forums, disregarding the recent breakthroughs in research. But hey, that's what the forums are used for, debate and discussing, and people coming to their own conclusions.
I just think that these recent revelations are slowly catching on within the lyme community, lyme literate doctors and their patients.
A good example is how a new person contracts lyme, digs up an old article on lyme disease or herbs by Dr. K, and this gets talked about on the forums. We're so well beyond this point now, well beyond those simplistic treatments.
But this tends to be still topics talking being talked about on the forums, since a lot of lyme literate physicians haven't tried new protocols or even new biofilms supplements.
But I guess this is how life works, not blaming anyone at all. Once a breakthrough is made, it slowly gets communicated down to Doctors and patients in modern day times. Weird considering it's 2018 and that we've made so many breakthroughs with technology wouldn't you say?
Honestly, I remember when a drug was discovered back in the day during desperate times, like during a tuberculosis or leprosy epidemic, patients were give this treatment immediately to save lives.
We should ask ourselves why have things changed so much. That now when a breakthrough happens, it's given the red light, further tests need to be done, but other drugs and vacccines that are unsafe are given the green light, hence the opioid epidemic, why is that? What's wrong with our current system?
That berry from the blushwood tree has already shown to kill cancerous tumors with a days of treatment. Considering the amount of people dieing from cancer, why hasn't EBC-46 hit the market yet? I can't see a berry tree having that many side effects.
It's truly sad that state of affairs both our economic and heathcare system is in nowadays. I can't help but to bring these points up to new lyme patients from time to time so they're well aware that new drugs have been discovered for a borrelia infection...
Posted by koo (Member # 30462) on :
I believe it is Nutramedix Stevia that was tested and now recommended. I have tried it. Does it work? Who knows. You don't put it in your coffee or tea. Put 11 drops in a small glass of water.
Charlie F, I get what you are saying. I get a little frustrated because it seems like EVERY herb is supposed to help. Good grief, there is not even agreement on whether or not to take magnesium!
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Q asked: "So you're saying he basis it just off his treatment with his patients and experience?" (end quote)
It's really much more expansive than that. The "citations" span a much broader reach.
The citations at the end of chapter / book are not usually personal experience but from any authors' efforts pouring through decades (even centuries in some cases) of articles, books, professional interviews and other aspects of the research process.
The research citations included in all his books are numerous. It's amazing to scan these, actually, it really opens up wonder into the world of plants and how some of them can work for us.
For instance, in his book - just picked up the one closest to me
"Healing Lyme Disease Coinfections: Complementary and Holistic Treatments for Bartonella and Mycoplasma"
the bibliography runs from page 377 to 485. This degree of research is typical of all his other books, too.
As is custom, where he notes others' work in the chapters, he also offers attribution within the paragraph. -
[ 03-05-2018, 02:42 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Buhner himself admits that with herbs containing thousands of chemicals that interact, no human is able to know what the plant really does.
He bases his information on studies, of course, but how many studies do you need for ONE HERB that has thousands of components INTERACTING?
Millions, billions of studies for ONE HERB?
It's impossible, and if I remember well, Buhner himeself says so.
Stevia or not Stevia, whatever, it's in the ACTUAL testing kit of Dr. K. in Germany (I bought it recently). It is in the Lyme Borreliosis kit, meaning, that he is using Stevia in a regular base for treating lyme disease.
As I told you before, my daughter is on Stevia, and a combination of 3 herbs seemed to work for her tummy problems: cumin, stevia and wormwood.
I would NOT discard any herb, just because there were a couple of studies on that herb.
Knowing that a herb is very complex, and that our scientific method cannot really do much when dealing with thousands of variables at once (specially when variables interact), I would trust MUCH MORE my intuition than 10 scientific studies.
It's not science that can bring any clarity concerning herbs, in my opinion. I would rather ask a shaman than read 100 articles on stevia, really.
Posted by Charlie Fitzgerald (Member # 50657) on :
quote:Originally posted by Brussels: Buhner himself admits that with herbs containing thousands of chemicals that interact, no human is able to know what the plant really does.
That's great to hear, that's why I still like the guy. It's some of the other naturapths that blow things out of proportion and make outrageous claims, then lyme patients think their comments are written in stone. This takes advantage of people.
quote:Originally posted by Brussels: I would NOT discard any herb, just because there were a couple of studies on that herb.
Of course not, again I'm a big advocate of Stevia and RSO & CBD(Cannabis), I have yet to find a herb that works as well as Stevia for the treatment of Lyme Disease and biofilms. It's been a life saver for me! So don't get the wrong idea that I think herbs and vitamins are a waste. I don't, I just think that they are embellished quite a bit, especially by some naturoapths and the authors of books that write about them. You should never count solely on one treatment with lyme disease, I know for a fact that some lyme patients have a nervous break down and give up because they've tried so many treatments that have failed. Meanwhile, these new breakthroughs like the one on the new persister drugs and stevia fall through the cracks because people give up...
I've tried a lot different treatments, a lot, and have wasted a lot of money, when I think people are getting taken for a ride, I speak up. A lot of these things said about these herbs, isn't quite accurate, because how could they actually know for sure when not many labs studies have been done on them.
There's always going to be triablism with people, the ones that side solely with herbs, the ones that side solely with pharmaceuticals, and the ones that side with rife machines, etc.... You should never count on one type of treatment, never! Soon as you start criticizing some of these treatments, people flip out and think you're attacking their cure. You know I've met people that think veganism is the cure for everything, even cancer, plus other things. Read this article http://metro.co.uk/2018/02/20/youtube-star-said-veganism-cured-cancer-lesbianism-dies-cancer-7328270/
Stories like these is why I speak up and question some of these alternative treatments. You have to!!!
I think the greed of big pharma, has created this ideology that drugs are bad, and that natural herbs are going to cure you. Same thing has happened with climate change, where vegans have demonized meat because it uses up too many resource on the planet, and that veganism will cure you.
Then these people that share the same ideologies band together in groups on the internet to attack others who don't share their same ideology or anyone who questions their ideology. Hence tribalism, goes on with politics, goes on with hobbies, goes on with sports. Don't get caught up in the hoopla, eventually you'll find something your group is completely wrong about.
Never be completely bound by one treatment because of influence from your group. If you want to be a vegan, be a vegan, but I'd never solely rely on this diet for the cure for everything.
I'm a big advocate of combining treatments, whether it's herbs or pharmaceuticals, as well as doing some of these diets. I'm sure being on a vegetable diet, taking rick simpson oil and chemo would really help a cancer patient. Solely relying on just a vegan diet, that's where things can go side ways.
I'm sure those on this forum that tried some of these controversial treatments know exactly what I'm talking about.
Posted by MannaMe (Member # 33330) on :
I just bought some stevia seeds to grow the plants ourselves. I'm thinking adding the leaves to smoothies would beneficial.
Posted by Charlie Fitzgerald (Member # 50657) on :
quote:Originally posted by MannaMe: I just bought some stevia seeds to grow the plants ourselves. I'm thinking adding the leaves to smoothies would beneficial.
I think diluting it will only make it weaker, but hey if you can't tolerate the taste... Understand!
Rick Simpson extracts cannabis to its purest form and takes it by by tongue so it's absorbs the best, I would do the same.
"Researchers used four types of stevia: three in liquid form derived from standard alcohol extraction and one powdered. The powdered stevia diluted in liquid did not show promise in killing off Lyme, but the alcohol extracted stevia samples did."
That tells you something, more you process stevia, more you mix it with other stuff, less potent it will be.
Sweet Leaf Whole Leaf Stevia Concentrate only runs $10 a 2oz bottle. Don't waste your money on any other brand, Nutramedix is a rip off.
I have tried Zevia pops and even Lifeway makes a stevia Kefir drink. I find that the concentrated tincture is the best, 3-4 drips underneath the tongue, hold for 15-30 seconds right after taking antibiotics. I feel it absorbs the best in your system, I feel herxing symptoms right after I take it, muscle twitching, pinching in head, sometimes fainting sensations. Then good symptoms result in a clear head and more energy!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Charlie, I do think that combining treatments is the only way out for most of us.
A lot of intuition, of feeling how the body reacts, is also important.
It's really like art, all the treatments we need to keep doing.
Nice you seem to have found a good combo!!
Posted by CarzAnn (Member # 52259) on :
I am very concerned about this topic.
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Posted by Tryal (Member # 52275) on :
I am a survivor of lime, cured myself in 53 days. Track record is on the internet. Medical success authenticated by 8 medical people. In 2017, I consumed liquid stevia from the health food store. Right now, I am a recent victim of the parasite that eats iron and calcium. I very recently wiped liquid stevia on skin infestations. It was quite interesting. Since I don't know how to post photos. I suggest you try it yourself. My adventure motorcycle club says that if there's no photo or video, it probably never happened. My ideation is that whatever happens with stevia and my skin parasites would be reflected on what happens with stevia in my body.
Posted by Ann-Ohio (Member # 44364) on :
The original post was from 2018.
The study was done in France.
Looking back, this quote threw me: "Lyme disease is an affection caused by a spirochete infection called Borrelia Burgdorferi "
An "affection" is a feeling of love - not what would apply to Lyme disease! (might be a translation error from French to English.)
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