Uh-oh. I hope the government doesn't get too crazy with this.
quote:Obama declares swine flu a national emergency From Associated Press October 24, 2009 11:49 AM EDT
WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama has declared the swine flu outbreak a national emergency.
The White House on Saturday said Obama signed a proclamation that would allow medical officials to bypass certain federal requirements. Officials described the move as similar to a declaration ahead of a hurricane making landfall.
Swine flu is more widespread now than it's ever been and has resulted in more than 1,000 U.S. deaths so far.
Health authorities say almost 100 children have died from the flu, known as H1N1, and 46 states now have widespread flu activity.
The White House said Obama signed the declaration on Friday evening.
My opinion of the prez on this one is in an uncontrollable skid ! Would he do this without real pressure ?
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
I have my suspicions, Massman, but we'll have to wait to see what this REALLY means for all of us..... like mandatory vaccination. I'm speculating......, but it is within Secretary Sebelius's power to order that if I'm not mistaken....
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
Then we should make lyme mandatory for those who force vaccines on us.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- One good thing, though - this declaration could benefit those infected who become very ill - as it may help them get an IV anti-viral drug (peramivir) that is not allowed under current law. With the declaration, that drug can be used without tons of red tape. It has saved a few lives with experimental use.
I'll rely on my allicin, etc. and I doubt they will force vaccinate as they simply don't have enough for everyone, anyway. I really think this was more about having immediate access to peramivir IV. -
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
"How many people die from seasonal flu each year in the United States?
The number of seasonal influenza-associated (i.e., seasonal flu-related) deaths varies from year to year because flu seasons often fluctuate in length and severity.
CDC estimated that about
36,000 people died
of seasonal flu-related causes each year, on average, during the 1990s ***in the United States.***
This figure includes people dying from complications of seasonal flu.
This estimate came from a 2003 study published in the Journal of the American Medication Association (JAMA), which looked at the 1990-91 through the 1998-99 flu seasons [10].
Statistical modeling was used to estimate how many flu-related deaths occurred among people whose underlying cause of death on their death certificate was listed as a respiratory or circulatory disease. During these years, the number of estimated deaths ranged from 17,000 to 52,000."
This whole thing is making me SOOOOO mad. National Emergency?! Soooo stupid. They just want someway to force us all to get the vaccine.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Aw Marnie I don't think we would have the
casualties if they hadn't dug up a bunch of dead
soldiers to start with to get the killer bug from
those that died. Those people are not being
scrutinized just like the the CDC and the IDSA
who have said for years Lyme is not chronic. It
is such a farce. Not to mention no one is
controlling the genetic modifications of our food
sources. Hence we now have to deal with new
entities like Morgellons. I see it everyday on
commercials their genetically modified corn is
the best. Or their new wheat is the most
productive. They are killing us by destroying our
most necessary means of existence. And once it is
done there is no going back to the God given
genetics just like our bodies genetics. Once it
is in it is there to stay.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Hmmm. Just thinking out loud here.....
Wonder if `national emergency' status somehow gets around the lawsuit filed in D.C. on the 15th to halt distribution of the under-tested H1N1 vaccine in the U.S.?
And why is there such a push to get vaccinated? The deals have already been struck; the vaccine makers are sure to get paid by the U.S. Govt. for the vaccinations they produced whether anybody uses them or not...... so why the push? Let people choose the `lesser of two evils' I their own minds.
I don't understand this. There's a piece of the puzzle missing.
Posted by dmbfan (Member # 11948) on :
oh great the government is going to infect more innocent people.....
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Blips from another article:
quote:Obama declares swine flu a national emergency By PHILIP ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writer - 21 mins ago
WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama declared the swine flu outbreak a national emergency, giving his health chief the power to let hospitals move emergency rooms offsite to speed treatment and protect noninfected patients.
... Health and Human Services chief Kathleen Sebelius now has authority to bypass federal rules when opening alternative care sites, such as offsite hospital centers at schools or community centers if hospitals seek permission.
Some hospitals have opened drive-thrus and drive-up tent clinics to screen and treat swine flu patients. The idea is to keep infectious people out of regular emergency rooms and away from other sick patients.....
.... The national emergency declaration was the second of two steps needed to give Sebelius extraordinary powers during a crisis....
They act like it's for our own benefit... it's not good but I'm not going to get stressed out about it. It's best to try to stay calm.
There's so much conflicting information about all of this. It seems they want to whipsaw people into becoming fearful & overwhelmed. Then, people don't know what to think & become apathetic.
I heard someone say that once you no longer have control over what is put in your body - you are truly a slave.
the presidential news. Being reported on now. They
explained it all. Very interesting. Sounds like
powers that be are doing to them the same thing
Lyme patients have had done to them for years.
Ouch. Now they know how we feel.
Posted by s0ngbird1962 (Member # 16395) on :
This national emergency is probably a moot point anyways. By the time they get enough vaccines out, (estimates from mid Nov - mid Dec) the worst of it will be over. Right now H1N1 is widespread in the US.... thinking things will start improving in a month.
Everyone needs to stay calm....
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
If they know the vaccine is dangerous and they give it to us, anyway, what is the likely intent?
Are there harmful ingredients in the nasal mist vaccine?
Posted by sk8ter (Member # 8671) on :
This is NOT good for us. Even people with MS are not supposed to get immunizations as our immune systems are in overdrive as it is. I'm sorry to say this but this Pres loves to create crisis to inflict power. Rahn Emanuel his right hand man has said, " Never let a crisis go to waste." Interesting times we are living in. No one will be telling me to get this!!!! Let them try...last time I checked this is still America...remember freedom of choice, or is this also gone?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
From the NY Times-
"The emergency declaration, which Mr. Obama signed Friday night, has to do only with hospital treatment, not with the vaccine."
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I don't think we have to get into a frenzy about this issue just yet...
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Wow. This is amazing stuff! Watch the second video first .. but be sure to watch both!
If nothing else, check out the pie graphs in the article. We've been had.
OH.. I see Sparkle beat me to this! I'm leaving my post where it is though!
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by grandmother:
Are there harmful ingredients in the nasal mist vaccine?
There's no mercury in the mist, but it's a live "weakened" virus!
Whatever "weakened" means, I don't want it!
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by sparkle7:
I heard someone say that once you no longer have control over what is put in your body - you are truly a slave.
Sounds right to ME!
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Sparkle, you make an excellent point: Stay calm. Getting stressed over this whole flu thing is NOT conducive to good health. Fear, panic, worry, and anxiety all raise cortisol levels, and cortisol lowers immune response. Literally, you could make yourself sick by worrying about all of this. Be informed but don't over-react.
True, Pinelady. The White House did attempt to `un-invite' FOX News to some event or another. The other news media pitched a fit over it, though, so the White House had to re-invite FOX News. How embarrassing for the WH.
Thanks, Lymetoo. I can't watch the videos on my Stonehenge computer, but I did read the article. My only uncertainty about the `overestimation of H1N1' cases is that since data hasn't been collected since July, we really don't know what the proportions are RIGHT NOW.
It's clear just from discussions here at LN that there are a lot more `flu-like' cases this fall than there were this spring. Proportionately, are there more H1N1 cases now than in the spring? Well, unless they start testing and recording results again, we'll never know. So the CDC, the WHO, the vaccine-makers, etc. can spin the data any way they want to.
I've read that the figure of 36,000 deaths per year from the `seasonal flu' is grossly exaggerated. (But I'm sure that sells a lot of vaccines.)
According to this article, only 20% of all' flu-like illnesses' are actually due to the flu. 20% of 36,000 = 7,200, which corresponds to what I've read - that actual deaths from flu in the U.S. every year are well under 10,000.
Re New York state's temporary reprieve for NY health care workers, Mike Adams of Natural News said this:
quote:New York State Health Commissioner Richard F. Daines announced today that public health workers will no longer be required to receive swine flu vaccinations...... The decision to abandon the swine flu vaccine mandate had nothing to do with the debate over the vaccination of health care workers....... it was all caused by the shortage of vaccines.
.... New York could reinstate the requirement at any time. Once vaccines are back in full supply, they could just reverse themselves again and mandate vaccines with a short deadline....
....Remember this above all else: The State thinks it owns your body and can tell you what to do with it. That position is obvious in the fact that in backing away from these mandatory swine flu vaccines, New York didn't say, "We were wrong to force this upon people, and it should really be an individual decision." No, the state essentially said, "We just ran out of vaccine, so we don't have enough supply to force everyone to take it yet."
It's sort of like the Nazis telling a prison camp full of Jews that the only reason they're still alive is because they ran out of bullets.
It is 3:45 am Sunday morning and my grandaughter, age 5, in NC is
on her way to the ER
following the H1N1 vaccine shot given with the seasonal flu nasal spray vaccine! (This was conveyed directly from my daughter to me.)
Abby had extreme vomiting and is now very dehydrated with tachycardia.
Please say a little prayer for her.
She has no underlying medical problems.
I have very very mixed feelings about the vaccines as I do understand these save lives, but do kill/injure some people.
My mother in law died as a result of a flu vaccine (she was in her 70s) many years ago. She got a seasonal vaccine, got the flu, and the virus settled around her heart (pericarditis) and she ultimately died. Her cardiologist is the one who said the vaccination was the trigger.
I believe vaccination should be an individual choice after weighing all the risks.
But personally, the vaccinations scare ME more than the actual flu virus.
There is an reporting system in place for adverse flu vaccine reaction reporting.
Sending lots of Prayers and thoughts for your grand daughter. I am so sorry to hear this and it is very concerning.
I pray that things turn out fine for her and that it does not progress further.
Blessings..
i will keep you and your family in my prayers
Please keep us informed ... when you are able
Posted by luvs2ride (Member # 8090) on :
Marnie, I just prayed for Abby. Hopefully her little body can fight this off. Dr Blaylock just issued suggestions on how to survive the H1N1 shot. Let me see if I can dig it out.
Posted by luvs2ride (Member # 8090) on :
Ok. Here it is. I am retyping the entire thing. This is from the Blaylock Wellness Report. Dr Blaylock is a neurosurgeon who also practices nutritional health.
Treatment for Toxic Vaccine Exposure
Over the years, I have researched ways to help prevent vaccine-related neurological damage. This protocol does just that. Note that it does not treat the virus itself, just the damage associated with the vaccine.
1-Pleace a cold compress immediately on the injection site and continue for at least 2 days. If symptoms of fever, irritability, fatigue or flu-like symptoms recur, continue the cold compresses until they abate. A cold shower or bath will also help.
2-Take fish oils. I recommend the Norwegian fish oil made by Carlson Labs, because it has the correct balance of EPA and DHA to reduce the cytokine storm. The dose is 1 tablespoon a day. If severe symptoms develop take 2 tbsps a day until well then switch to 1 tbsp. Chidren should take 1 tsp daily.
3-Take a combination of curcumin, quercetin, ferulic acid and ellagic acid. Mix curcumin and quercetin with extra-virgin olive oil in 1 tsp. Take the mix 3 times a day (500 mg of each).
4-Take a combination of vitamins: Vit E(natural form) 400 IU a day (high in gamma-E); Vit C 1000 mg four times a day; astaxanthin 4 mg a day, zinc 20 mg a day for one week, then 10 mg a day.
6-Take a multivatamin/mineral daily (one without iron, such as Extend Core).
7-Take magnesium citrate/malate 500 mg of elemental magnesium 2 capsules 3 x a day
8-Take adequate amounts of Vit D3. After being vaccinated, adults should take 20,000 IU a day for 2 weeks and 10000 IU daily thereafter. Children should take 5000 IU a day for 2 weeks after receiving the vaccine and 2000 IU a day thereafter.
9- Calcium citrate. Adults should take 500 mg to 1000 mg of calcium citrate daily. Children under the age of 12 should take 250mg each day.
10- Avoid all mercury-containing seafood and omega-6oils (corn,safflower,sunflower,soybean,canola, and peanut oils).
He also says this
Treating Vaccine Complications and the Swine Flu Virus
Right now, the govt is working hard to implement a draconian program to vaccinate the population by force. (written in Sept/09) This is an absolutely insane idea. If they mandate that all Americans be vaccinated, I predict that we will see an unprecedented number of vaccine-related deaths (as many as 250 died during the 1976 vaccine fiasco) and an enormous number of neurologically damaged and crippled people. The vaccine tested for safety before the 1976 scare was not the one used - the actual vaccine given to the public was untested. We may be seeing the same thing again. I suspect that the dangerous MF-59 adjuvant (squalene) will not be in the vaccine used for the test but will be in the one given to the public.
MF-59 is an immune-boosting additive that has been associated with severe autoimmune diseases, such as Lupus and MS like disorders. There is a potential for millions of peolple to be crippled by these vaccine-induced diseases.
As for the flu itself, at the time of this writing it is condsidered to be a low virulent virus - meaning that it is no worse than any other flu in the recent past. Those who are dying are not dying fromt he virus itsef, but from a cytokine storm. Their bodies reaction to the virus is what is actually killing them. It was recently reported that smokers were found to have an intense inflammatory reaction deep within their lungs when exposed to the flu virus. One wonders how many of those who died were smokers or had immune disorders, but the CDC is keeping silent.
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
The vaccine folks are making a ton of money. One guy from the late 90s made millions from worldwide royalty interest from sales of the Merck rotavirus vaccine.
And there's a lot more there too about conflicts of interest.
And Marnie, sorry to hear about your granddaughter - this just isn't fair to do this to kids or anyone - hope she pulls out of it ok -
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Marnie if she gets bad. I would not hesitate to do the vitamin treatment. Prayers
(Good tips from Luvs2ride and Pinelady. Homeopaths have been dealing with aspects of `vaccinosis' for a long time so enlisting the services of an experienced homeopath would be another option.)
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
They are trying Zofran to halt the vomiting before resorting to IVs.
I truly appreciate all your prayers 'cause I believe in the power.
I'm waiting to hear more.
I did forward the suggestions to my daughter.
I understand the suggestions...low iron, no omega 6s, etc.
Apparently viruses (nutrient needs) are not that different from bacteria!
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Marnie make sure she gets info from doc on lot numbers, name of vaccines, dosages, and maker.
Can the seasonal vaccine and the 2009 H1N1 vaccine be given at the same time?
Inactivated 2009 H1N1 vaccine can be administered
at the same visit as any other vaccine, including
pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine. Live 2009
H1N1 vaccine can be administered at the same
visit as any other live or inactivated vaccine
EXCEPT seasonal live attenuated influenza vaccine.
Hmmm. Is the `seasonal flu nasal spray vaccine' a live vaccine like the H1N1 nasal spray?
Thanks for the update, Marnie. Our thoughts are with you and yours. Hang in there.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Tracy most of what they are giving now is live or
weakened/attenuated. The only reasoning I can find is there is
not enough evidence to conclude safety. Another way
to say we don't know or don't want to tell yet.
Sound Familiar? They are recommending 28 days between these two.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Hmpff. Yes, very familiar.
This is one reason why I won't get multiple vaccinations for my pets. If I choose to vaccinate, it's one at a time. It made my vet crazy. (I changed vets this year, BTW.)
Here's some food for thought: A local doctor was on a talk radio program here, speaking about the H1N1 vaccine, assuring everyone that it was safe, etc., etc.
He stated that had the timing been a little different and the H1N1 vaccine been ready earlier, then the H1N1 and the seasonal vaccine would have been combined into one, single vaccination.
Presumably, we can look for that very thing next year. Another vaccination `combo'.
Posted by massman (Member # 18116) on :
Another major factor is what else is in the vaccine. Heavy metals, chemicals etc.
They can cause severe overreactions, nerve damage etc. to some people.
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Abby is home...zofran enabled her to keep down frequent small doses of liquids.
But her urine sample showed WBCs (UTI ? Rx given)...so
if she has a UTI and was given vaccines (2 of them - seasonal flu nasally and H1N1 injection)this may have really thrown off her immmune system...
Which pathogen to hit?
The docs said to keep an eye out for appendicitis.
Is that a complication of the vaccine/H1N1?
I couldn't open this link, but ya all might want to know this:
Clinical characteristics of paediatric H1N1 admissions in ...
Aug 20, 2009 ... Our experience of the first wave of paediatric H1N1 swine-origin ... rigors, apnoea,
and acute abdomens (appendicitis and intussusception).
There is...a connection between histamine and H1N1 because asthmatics and those with COPD are far more likely to need to be hospitalized if they get that H1N1.
And there is something called "histamine appendicitis"
Both serotonin and histamine are called vasoactive amines.
If histamine is being impacted by the Swine Flu virus...does serotonin go up?
Upregulation of serotonin = vomiting. Zofran blocks serotonin release. It is given too for the N/V of early pregnancy.
The appendix is one of the places that secretes serotonin.
In Europe an appendicitis was missed because the patient was told she had Swine Flu.
So the symptoms must be very similar if not related.
"The appendix is lined by a mucosa which has many neuroendocrine cells containing serotonin. Local release of serotonin can act as a
mediator of inflammation....(histamine = inflammation i.e. need for antihistamines)
The inflamed appendix is markedly ***depleted of serotonin*** in the epithelium and lamina propria. Local serotonin release from ECs and SNCs in the appendix may act as an inflammatory mediator in appendicitis and is likely to be the source of
raised blood serotonin in AA. (acute appendicitis)
PMID: 19132991
Apparently the H1N1 virus has 2 major proteins
hemagglutinin (HA) and neuraminidase (NA)
HA is the one that helps the virus to bind onto our cells.
NA possesses enzymatic activity that cleaves/ breaks alpha-ketosidic linkages between the terminal ***sialic acid*** and adjacent sugar residues of cellular glycoconjugates.
Sialic acid (SA) located on human cells.
When this virus's NA protein cleaves the linkages, this releases new virions (virus particles) which then infect nearby healthy cells.
You can see a picture of where the virus NA protein locks on here:
Marnie, my 7 year old nephew had the swine flu two weeks ago. His flu cleared up then came back and for some reason settled in his apendix.
He had to have an appendectomy from result of the flu it seems. It doesn't answer your question, however I find the Dr's comments interesting!
Posted by IckyTicky (Member # 21466) on :
Current outlook: there will be 50 million doses of vaccine avail. by mid Nov.and 3X(150 million) available by Dec. That comes to an available 200 millian doses. Add to that the doses available now and the doses already given out.There are just over 300 million people in US. The legislation to make forced vaccinations is in place and there will be enough doses to go around.
Posted by grandmother (Member # 19908) on :
Maybe they should have the mist.
Posted by grandmother (Member # 19908) on :
What happens to people who are allergic to eggs?
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
nothing like closing the barn door after the cow is out.....
nobody is going to force me to do anything i dang well don't want to do, and getting those flu shots is one of them...
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Truthfinder said:
" Well, unless they start testing and recording results again, we'll never know. So the CDC, the WHO, the vaccine-makers, etc. can spin the data any way they want to."
Yep!! That's why they are no longer checking. They did it on purpose.
Can you imagine how expensive it would be and how much time it would take to FORCE vaccinate everyone??!
They'll have to drag me kicking and screaming!!
I have already decided that I am very allergic to eggs!!
Posted by luvs2ride (Member # 8090) on :
Marnie,
I'm SO HAPPY to hear Abby could return home. I will keep up prayers for her to heal completely.
I guess because I have a 2 5 yr old grandsons I just adore, it really upset me for Abby.
Luvs
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
I got this in an email. I do not know if points made are for real or not. I suspect if we wait to find out it will be too late. I do not know if the vaccine they describe is in the wait. � Money Bomb! Your health and freedom depend on it! Petition Letter to President Obama on the National ``Swine Flu'' Emergency � President Declares National Emergency over alleged ``Swine Flu Pandemic'' - Intelligence Analysis
President Declares National Emergency over alleged ``Swine Flu Pandemic'' President Obama Pushes Back...
Index:
1. Our initial reaction to the National Emergency Declaration 2. General Stubblebine's Twelve Data Points for Analysis
What pandemic? We suspect this ``emergency'' is to allow the government to use the ``fifth vaccine'' which it bought but which it could not approve since its own scientists ``don't want us to go that way'' according to HHS Secretary Sebelius' testimony before a House committee on September 15th.
You may have noticed the loud increase in ``not enough vaccines'' propaganda on the MMD (Media of Mass Deception) over the past couple days. It all fits together... and it all leads to Eugenicide.
Below are the twelve points of data considered by Gen. Stubblebine for his intelligence analysis included in the eblast being sent out later today; please note that some of these points are not fully verified, but all are to the best of our knowledge and belief sufficiently accurate to include in the analysis. You will find references to these points in various blog entries recently published here.
As our Foundation President says in today's message:
``In the Intelligence world, the task is to take seemingly disconnected pieces of information and find the pattern that binds them together into a cohesive whole, then evaluate the forward progression of events and work to either support those that you want to see happen or forestall those that you do not.''
Permalink to eblast: [tbp]
Twelve Data Bits...
1. Swine Flu is a genetically engineered virus, weaponized with the same DNA sequences as the weaponized (but failed) Avian flu.
2. Swine Flu vaccine patents were applied for years in advance of the supposed sudden appearance of a novel Swine Flu virus.
3. Influenza vaccines are hugly profitable, dangerous and useful in mass contamination schemes.
4. WHO has been working on sterilization ``vaccines'' sine 1985 and deploying them widely at least since 1985.
5. WHO/UN/US are committed to massive world population reduction.
6. UK has instituted a massive ``Eugenicide'' scheme of medically-mediated death at the convenience and economic behest of the financial elite, in other words, instituted a war against the people of the UK.
7. The mastermind of this scheme traded continents and now leads the campaign to institute the same eugenicide here in the US.
8. Swine Flu case numbers are meaningless since no accurate and rapid testing exists to determine who does, and who does not, have the disease. Mortality figures are meaningless so no one knows if anyone has died from, as opposed to WITH, Swine Flu.
9. WHO declared that the dangerous adjuvant squalene, in any of its propriatry forms, should be used in the Swine Flu vaccine ``prevention'' campaign. The US has purchased $484 million dollars worth of squalene, announcing that it would use same only in the even of a ``medical emergency'' since, says HHS Secretary Sebelius, ``our scientists don't want us to go down that road...''
10. 1998 patents show that high doses of squalene cause permanant, irreversible sterility in the presence of proteins with sugars attached to them (glycoproteins).
11. The human body is very rich in glycoproteins, which serve as cell receptors, cell-to-cell signalling molecules such as hormones and many other molecules.
12. The probably result of widespread squalene-laced vaccine use is mass sterility. Since this is know to those who propose the use of this substance, they are engaged in willful negligence and are not protected by the emergency declaration from liability for the harm they do.
From the above, General Stubblebine concludes:
``...this incredible expansion of power given to HHS stips every American of any rights or recourse.
Why does Sebelius need such powers? How will they be used? What is the intentionality in granting such sweeping and ill-defined powers?
You connect the dots. What picture emerges for you?
That's right. The picture is extremely dangerous and scary. ACT NOW!''
Please join in the Health Freedom Defense Money Bomb now! Answer this dangerous Declaration by giving us the ability to respond! http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=3686 Posted by lightparfait (Member # 22022) on :
I tend to think that those who died or had very severe reactions to the H1N1 already had pre-existing conditions, most likely to previous vaccines or inherited body burden, unknowingly!
This is what we need to test and spend federal money on before they keep loading our population up with more! We need answers to the causes of the chronic conditions. Not bandaids! Not changing the terrain in our bodies that will react to other things down the road.
This is the beginning of a great war on our own soil...one that most americans are blinded by for their faith in the medical community. Americans are killing their own! We have elected and appointed those with no experience with the power to make "life changing" and physically altering decisions for us! Lead by big pharma. And manipulating the system! What spin...should be a sci- phi film, not reality!
Sorry for my rant...but this is so over the top already! How can we protect the next generation?
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
I agree, LP.
There is something strange about this national emergency thing. That designation was not necessary in order to create off-site ERs to handle flu patients, etc. There are other ways to accomplish that end without declaring a national emergency. I won't speculate at this point but something is not right here.
Very glad that Abby got to go home, Marnie! She's got to be more comfortable there. I just hope she can stay hydrated..... poor little thing. I'll bet an ER visit for a 5-year-old is pretty traumatizing.
Marnie, As for the urinary WBCs....... don't know if this is pertinent, but during flus and similar illnesses where vomiting and/or diarrhea can cause dehydration, the kidneys are over-taxed and at risk. And if you take stuff like Advil - which is metabolized in the kidneys - when you are dehydrated, you could end up trashing your kidneys and on dialysis. (Tylenol is metabolized in the liver, and I'm not sure about aspirin?) I read an account about this very thing just the other day.
So, could dehydration account for the WBCs in the urine, Marnie?
The appendicitis angle is one I'd never heard about! Thanks for further explanation, c3mom! Hope your nephew is doing well now.
Grandmother, good point: people allergic to eggs should not get any vaccine cultured with eggs. The effects could be life-threatening.
Well, Pinelady, the folks at Natural Solutions Foundation have proposed a lot of theories over the years, many of which are pretty radical. But that doesn't mean they aren't true. The sad fact is that my distrust in government - and the private entities that wield far more global power than any government - has gotten to the point that I do believe they are capable of almost anything.
Eugenics is an idea that was openly popular before the German holocaust. Rumor has it that it never lost its popularity, but rather faded into the covert `mission statements' of globally progressive organizations.
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
Nothing like a good national emergency and "culling of the herd" to pull a country out of economic collapse...
You will note that the H1N1 became a possible pandemic soon after the economic bailout.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
LOL. True, canbravelyme. Nice distraction from what congress is doing to our national credit rating if nothing else.
Hmmm. Try this on for a `theory':
Tickers and headlines on TV report over 1,000 deaths in the U.S. from `swine flu', etc..... The president declares an emergency flu situation, which further raises awareness and fear in the population. More people want the vaccine, but there isn't enough available yet, further raising anxiety levels.
If the administration and/or vaccine makers can get the timing just right, by the time the vaccine is widely available, 2/3 or more of the population will have already been exposed. The majority of vaccine will hit the market right when the `swine flu' has already peaked and is on the decline since most people will already have been exposed and immune to it. We are saved by the vaccine!
The WHO, the Pres, and the vaccine makers will be the heroes of the day. The Nobel committee may have to create more `prizes' for everyone.
(This is what happened with most of the world pandemics in the past; the vaccine arrived when the disease-of-the-moment was already on a natural decline. And vaccines got the credit for it. This isn't speculation - the data and the graphs that tell that story have already been posted here at LN.)
Sound plausible or pretty much out in left field? Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
Tracy, you're not suggesting that the H1N1 is the, "Disease du jour"?
You got the reference, right?
I hate these people.
[ 10-26-2009, 12:55 PM: Message edited by: canbravelyme ]
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
when obama and his family get a shot, then i'll consider it serious....
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
If they have the vaccine on camera: what makes you think that the contents of the syringe will contain the H1N1 vaccine?
You know, I can't believe we have come to this kind of thinking among citizens of the United States.
There was a time I rolled my eyes and moved on from conspiracy thinkers. I have personally known a couple in my lifetime and they were actually highly intelligent people who I thought were just a little "out there" on their views about government.
Today, just like the rest of you, I am no longer rolling my eyes and walking on by. How on earth can I wake up from nightmare and exit the twilight zone????
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
First of all, it's not, "conspiracy". It's about individuals with personal conflicts of interest.
Gary Wormser, for example. Mr. "Disease du jour".
Posted by luvs2ride (Member # 8090) on :
No, no. This is the thread about eugenics, isn't it? That could definitely fall into the category of "conspiracy theories".
I'm onboard with you, in case I did not make that clear.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
Yes after what we have gone through to get help for
our so called Disease du jour I agree. Tracy your
are right they will be heroes. History repeat.
Posted by lightparfait (Member # 22022) on :
I agree friends!
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Truthfinder:
There is something strange about this national emergency thing. That designation was not necessary in order to create off-site ERs to handle flu patients, etc. There are other ways to accomplish that end without declaring a national emergency. I won't speculate at this point but something is not right here.
Exactly. What was the PURPOSE of declaring a national emergency? What does it gain us?
They just want to force the vaccinations on us.
Very scary, if you ask me.
Posted by Tincup (Member # 5829) on :
Tutu said... "I have already decided that I am very allergic to eggs!!"
Me too, TuTu!
Marnie... prayers for your little one and your family.
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Much happiness today...as Abby is better, but tired as all the serotonin (anti-inflammatory) coming from the cells in her appendix going into her bloodstream -> serotonin -> melatonin -> sleepy.
Excess blood serotonin = vomiting.
That virus...one of the proteins (NA) cleaves (breaks apart)
sialic acid*** and adjacent sugar residues of cellular glycoconjugates.
Sialic acid (SA) located on human cells.
If the virus lands on our mast cells they may release histamine = allergic reaction.
Asthmatics and those with COPD are hit harder if they get H1N1.
A 9 year old girl who had H1N1 (and a 104 degree fever) was cured with:
Augmentin (beta lactam abx. + beta lactamase inhibitor = prevents the breakdown of beta lactam)
PLUS
An anti-histamine.
I linked that in another post. (It was from a gov. website.)
Believe it or not...H1N1 is a LOT like Bb!!!
C3mom...your post about your nephew's need for an appendectomy post H1M1 was indeed amazing.
Does H1N1 have an affinity (likes) for cells that *lack* serotonin?
The appendix gets inflammed when it is depleted of serotonin (which goes into the bloodstream to act as a "mediator of inflammation".
Once again...stop the inflammation AND hit the pathogen!
Other good news....finally...the RIGHT diagnosis for my daughter who has multiple symptoms...
TESTS showed:
EBV has re-emerged!!!! Dry eyes, fatigue, etc.
FINALLY an answer!
She has MONO...and it isn't going away.
(She had it 2x as a teen.)
P.S. People who are allergic to eggs can NOT get the H1N1 vaccination (my sister's grandaughter).
Did her pediatrician's office make a mistake giving Abby the H1N1 vaccine AND a nasal "flu" vaccine at the same time?
I have forwarded the info. to my daugther to forward it to her ped. office 'cause they MUST be forewarned!!!
And yes...we don't have NEAR enough of the vaccine to give to every American!
It is growing too slowly in the eggs...according to our today's paper. (Sarasota Herald Tribune...front page 10/26/2009...titled: H1N1 vaccine supplies fall short.
Quote from the above:
"The reasons for the receding estimates start with the fact that the H1N1 virus, known as swine flu, is
not growing as fast as expected in the eggs as expected in the eggs used to produce vaccine."
Posted by sk8ter (Member # 8671) on :
My son has been sharing concerns with me about conspiracies for years and I would also poo-poo them. Not anymore!!! We are living it. Americans need to wake up. We are slowly loosing ours rights under these so-called crisis.Get in trouble create a crisis. easy fix...it is called diversion.
Praying for this great country!!!!
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tincup: Tutu said... "I have already decided that I am very allergic to eggs!!"
Me too, TuTu!
Hey. Don't you think I could tell my GP to mark my file as allergic. He can write: "Patient says she is allergic to eggs."
I want it on my records!! I wouldn't be asking him to lie .. right?? Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
And yes to what someone else said... This H1N1 crisis came immediately after the White House began getting lots of heat about the bailouts.
So predictable.
Posted by Lymeorsomething (Member # 16359) on :
Still trying to figure out what Fox News has to do with the price of jelly donuts...
quote:Originally posted by Pinelady: Fox news is in quite a quandary right now.
Supposedly someone tried to keep Fox News out of
the presidential news. Being reported on now. They
explained it all. Very interesting. Sounds like
powers that be are doing to them the same thing
Lyme patients have had done to them for years.
Ouch. Now they know how we feel.
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
They were trying to have them ousted from being
included in Presidential and Congressional news.
By saying they were not a real news agency but a
sensationalist reporting group and as such should
have no rights to news agency reporting. In fact
it even worked for a day.
Kind of like saying Lyme is not chronic because there is no proof.
Just the powers that be.
Oh Marnie I am so sorry your daughter has mono. I do hope you find something to get the system to fight it down and hopefully for good.
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
wasn't it one of them that said to take advantage of a bad situation, er, something like that.
rham maybe???
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Yes, it was Rham or Raum or something.
Posted by kitty (Member # 20542) on :
I wonder if Obama would declair Lyme an emergency. We might be able to get some changes in the cdc.
Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
Chronic Lyme does not exist, and Lyme is an easily treatable infection easily limited with a few weeks' of oral antibiotics.
I doubt whether he would declare, "The aches and pains of daily living" a national emergency.
Posted by lightparfait (Member # 22022) on :
It will be a very sad day in America when we are not allowed to speak our mind and loose our freedom of using our minds and common sense!
Whoever controls the media controls our minds!
Whoever controls healthcare controls life and death.
Whoever controls business and commerce, controls our ability to provide for our families and our own independence to be governors , protectors and providers of our own.
The next thing to look out for is when they try to control our "spirit". "Brainwashing or blindly following spin.
Many of my close friends and family seem to follow only what the MD, Pres.,teachers, or news media tell them as the only truth. The only way. I believe they are the typical AMerican citizen. They think I am very different in my thoughts of researching the facts and using my own common sense. They say "how would you know...you are not a MD!"
Body, Mind and Spirit...Things are getting out of "control". Now the Gov. is experimenting with playing "God" with the abuse of power. So glad we have some noisy people in America keeping them in check! I guess they thought no one would notice! I have never been so outraged!
History will always repeat itself with the demise of a nation, when leadership goes astray.
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Guys...how medically savy do you think the Pres. is?
Most people don't have a clue and they have to rely on what the "experts" tell him/her to do - or what THEY think needs to be done.
He may have gotten some bad advice.
Suggested reading: Hippocrates' Shadow (paperback).
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Oops. Looks like we got thrown into the ghetto - Off Topic. I guess we waxed a bit too political or philosophic to suit the requirements for the Medical Questions forum.
That's great news about Abby, Marnie. I sure hope she can avoid an appendix issue. Also, glad to hear that your daughter may have a real answer..... I know you have been worried about her for awhile now.
Hey, I love the `I'm allergic to eggs' idea. Now, will that work for seasonal flu shots, as well? What about the `live' nasal H1N1 stuff, or other vaccinations?
It's true what you say, LP. Most people do not know anything beyond what their doctor tells them, and they seem a bit bewildered at the suggestion that there might be more to know or learn about their own condition.
I'm outraged at the behavior of our elected `leaders'. I guess one good thing about it is that there can no longer be any doubt about the abuses of power in light of country's founding principles. (IMHO).
Prayers for our country and our leaders are definitely in order.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Yep.. we've been banned! lol
I agree with you lightparfait... BIGtime!
OOOPS... truthfinder... I didn't think about the spray!!! I think I'm out of luck!!!
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Yeah, it like being relegated to the smoking section.... out in the alley by the dumpsters, lol. Well, that's okay. As they say, it isn't where you are, it's who you are with that counts, right?
Well, the egg allergy was a good idea. Isn't there something else in ALL vaccines that we could be allergic to? I can't think of anything off the top of my head....
You know, any previous bad reaction to a vaccine is reason enough to avoid future vaccines of the same type in the veterinary world. For instance, an anaphylactic response can be life-threatening (like it was for one of my cats and the Feline Leukemia vaccine). Wouldn't that work?
It's probably time for this thread to die a natural death anyway, but it will be here should this `national emergency' amount to anything. Who ever heard of a national emergency situation that isn't even in the news after the first day? What a crazy world we live in. I hope we can change it back to a world that makes more sense.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Yes, anaphylactic sounds good!
Hehehee.. WHAT am I SAYING!!!???? Posted by canbravelyme (Member # 9785) on :
This fear of natural disasters is more effective than the cold war...
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
True.
Yep, I'm thinkin' anaphylactic reaction, for sure.
I heard that the Obama kids got both regular and H1N1 flu vaccinations, and Barry and Michele just got the seasonal vac, so far, because of the shortage. Course, nobody actually witnessed any of that happening, but that's what is being told to the media.
Betcha the kids got the mecury-free version (assuming they got shots at all).
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I guess we waxed a bit too political or philosophic to suit the requirements for the Medical Questions forum.