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I'm trying to figure out how parasites fit into the Lyme picture. Does one get them from the tick bite? Or is it just one condition that a person already has which is made worse by lyme?
Does anybody know if a biofeedback/biomeridian test showing a high reading in parasites would be attributed to lyme? Or would that fall under bacteria?
I'm assuming with my daughter's stomach problems she might have parasites. Wondering how to go about testing/treating? Has this treatment been doctor directed for those of you treating parasites? My doctor hasn't really discussed parasites or co-infections.
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Filarial worms are a co-infection. We get them from ticks. These can disseminate throughout the body via the lymphatic system.
Others, like tapeworms, hooks, pins, other rounds, are ubiquitous in the environment. They could precede the Lyme.
Parasite testing is lousy. Some docs use Metametrix. Very few docs are open to treating for parasites. They consider them "rare." Lyme docs tend to be better about it.
As with Lyme, the standard of care for parasite treatment is inadequate. If you read about Albendazole, Ivermectin and other dewormers, often 1-3 doses is all that is recommended.
That is never enough.
You are smart to think parasites with stomach pain and a positive biomeridian test. Bart and Candida also cause gastric symptoms.
Why hasn't your doc discussed parasites or co-infections? Big red flag there!
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i believe you CAN get thru a tick bite, it's not impossible. but i think parasites get out of hand due to a plethora of different reasons, as different as every lyme patients symptoms are.
people live with parasites all the time, quite well even. but our systems are weakened already, I have to believe that's part of why they are such a problem for us.
I had a stool test done to test, which I've heard many lyme patients have gotten but nothing showed up as positive. Electral dermal screening can pick up parasites or traces at least.
i knew i had them because I'm unable to gain weight. treating tomorrow. Starting with my doc's protocol, but I like the sounds of furthering treatment beyond 30 days, so I bough Parastroy. My doc is treating with natural herbal remedies...you don't need a doctor to do these protocols, but do research to make sure you follow a good one correctly. May be different protocols for children? (don't know how old she is.
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My son's LLMD tested for co-infections on our first visit. My son was IND for babesia and baronella... his LLMD says that's as good as a positive.
He did Mepron and Azith for 6 weeks, no change, no herx... LLMD switched meds... said to try something natural and suggested Artemesia (wormwood)
The wormwood, black walnut and clove combo caused a herx right away. By day 5, I knew we had to back off, he was just too sick.
He didn't want to try that again. I don't blame him and I didn't force the issue.
We started seeing a naturopath who does muscle testing (Kinesiology) and she said he tested high for parasites and bacteria. She said parasites were stronger and needed to be addressed first.
I had her test the combo he was on before and he tested weak for that. She tried a few other things and he tested strong for detoxosode parasites from HVS Laboratories.
He started on a very small amount of that and has worked up to 4x the original dosage in 6 weeks. He still takes this.
Now we have added Parastroy at 1/4 the recommended adult dosage.
Progressing slowly. Parasites are a huge part of his sickness. He had lots of throwing up in the beginning of his sickness.
Cutting out gluten, sugar and dairy stopped the daily throw ups.
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My daughter just turned 13. I have been concerned that we aren't treating everything and in the right order. I think we may need a different doctor.
We have a clinical diagnosis with only one band (23 IGM) reactive on first Quest Western Blot. She started on doxy and symptoms worsened, so I think we are on the right track. Second Quest Western Blot was negative. I still want to have Igenix test. Should we have coinfections tested through them.
Momlyme - sounds like the muscle testing has been helpful. How often are you seeing the LLMD? How about the naturopath? So, are you just doing the parasite treatment now and not the abx?
She is taking lots of stuff. Amoxycillin, Doxycycline, Metronizadole, cilantro tincture, Chorella, Guna lymphatic drainage, cat's claw, NAC, and probiotics.
I wish I were seeing some improvement.
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He was going to the LLMD every 3-4 weeks. Now we are going every 6 weeks with phone consults and blood tests in between visits.
NP was every week. This week (today) was the first time nothing changed in his supplements so we are going to go back in 2 weeks.
He is treating parasites and HPU which is kicking out heavy metals, which is letting the parasites loose. They seem to be going hand in hand. Been doing this protocol since the day after Christmas.
He had to stop abx completely. His WBC was really low and kept falling. Pulled the picc line the Monday before Christmas. Tried orals again but the WBC went down more. He's done with abx for a while.
We didn't see any improvement on any of the abx combos. After 4 months of oral abx, switching combos every 4-6 weeks... he was only getting worse. So his LLMD ordered the picc line... that made him get worse faster!
We are seeing improvement on this new parasite/HPU protocol...It's slight and gradual, and it's easy to miss.
We have to look hard for improvements... and then we focus on them!
If you PM me, I will send you our working protocol. Include your email address so I can send it to you as an attachment.
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Really glad that you are condsidering treating her for parasites.
Humaworm has a childrens dose and I have read those that use Parastroy for children are usaing a smaller dose.
Also you might want to consider the salt/c protocol.
You can visit lymestrategies for info on this protocol and suggestions for childrens dose. PLEASE don't ignore the importance of treating her for parasites
It is not a one shot deal either. You have to treat until symptoms are gone.
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Lyme lowers the immune system making you more susceptible to opportunistic infections. So, when you eat food that has parasites, which we all do, the lowered immune system cannot fight them off like healthy people do, and we end up with parasites.
Also, low HCL in the stomach allows intestinal parasites to live. It's the stomach acid that normally kills the parasites and doesn't allow them to grow. I have low HCL and supplement it when I eat.
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So, are you confident enough to treat yourself for the parasites and the low hcl? I think she probably does have parasites. I did the baking soda test and she has low hcl also. Also, the electraldermal testing said high for parasites and tested strong for Parastat.
GI doctor had her take Alinia, no results. Then she prescribed Flagyl, but we chose to follow the LLND. LLND says "they don't work" speaking of homeopathic parasite remedies.
She is nauseous all the time no for more than 4 months. I'm nervous to add anything to the abx without a doctor. Do you think I should?
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