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I know I'm low on zinc, always have been -- based on zinc taste test (where you take a swig of zinc and see if it tastes metallic or not). I have had the white spots on my fingernails. They're gone now, but I think only because my nails are cut short. Plus, my lead levels are off the chart. So my question is, do I even need to test KPU/HPU? Or can I just go ahead and treat assuming I have it?
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I would. I was low in zinc too, and spots and i tested and it was negative. I'm glad I didn't go through all the hassel of treating when there are so many othter htings I have to treat. Don't waste your time, unless you have to. I dont think the test is expensive.
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I disagree with Whitney... treating heavy metals is necessary and definitely not a waste of time!
I felt the white marks on the fingernails and high mercury and lead in a hair test was enough evidence to treat.
My son's pediatrician did some of the lab tests suggested on page 7 of that same document. They all came out pointing at KPU as an issue.
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If you're zinc deficient, taking zinc just makes sense. The other things in the KPU are manganese and B6. I took Depyrrol. It's not as high dose as some, so I didn't feel that I needed the testing. I've since stopped muscle testing well for it, but I needed it quite a long time, over a year.
If you're thinking of a higher dose, yeah, I'd test and have a doctor's supervision.
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Umm im confused. I didn't say anything about heavy metals at all...?? I commented on testing for KPU before you treated for it. I think it can save you time, if you DO NOT have it. You can not have KPU and still have Heavy Metals, they are very different things.
I'm glad I did test, because I do not have it, and therefore the treatment for 12+ months would have been unnecessary, and I already have plenty of other things to treat.
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If my understanding is correct, treating KPU will also treat heavy metals. Maybe thats where the confusion.
So yes I obviously should be supplementing zinc on a more regular basis. So I guess the question is whether to bother with the other minerals, etc. that are recommended. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt me to do those as well. Now that I'm typing this out, it almost sounds silly. I don't think any of these sups will hurt me. I really need to learn to muscle test. How in the world do you muscle test yourself?
Does anyone do IV chelation and take zinc at the same time? I've done some IV EDTA and have been thinking I need to finish that up. My doc supplements me with a bunch of vitamins and magnesium after the IV but no zinc. It seems like if the EDTA pulls lead out, that I would want to be replacing that lead with zinc.
Thanks for all of you input. I'm one of those who is helped tons just by talking out my decisions.
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To get an understanding of the wide-reaching effects of KPU aka HPU, take the time and listen to this video by Dr. K. Scroll down to the video.
more info www.hpu.de (get the English version)with a quizz to give you an idea. Adding zinc only does not take care of KPU aka HPU. The supporting elements are very much involved to help the body to detox. A metal toxic body cannot heal. Pathogens love it.
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KPU is a zinc deficiency due to systemic heavy metal poisoning. There is much more to it than that... but that's the boiled down version.
Doing the KPU protocol reduces the heavy metals in your system. It has worked well for my son and I. We did hair testing before and 14 weeks into KPU treatment and we are both lowering our mercury and lead and our essential elements are in the normal range.
If you supplement with zinc and you don't supplement with the other vitamins and minerals you can do more harm than good.
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I get that KPU is a big deal, although I can never access that video. Maybe it's cuz I'm on my iPad. I'll have to drag out the laptop and see if I can access it.
I guess I was mainly trying to figure out if it would be ok to treat without bothering to test for it. I think I will go ahead and do it based on the high heavy metals, the low zinc levels and the white spots on the fingernails. If by chance I don't have it, I probably won't be hurting myself by treating anyway.
Thanks all for your input!
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jlp38 - yes, you can treat KPU without doing the test. Dr. K says in that video that if you have the white lines on your fingernails you can skip the testing because you have the zinc deficiency. (paraphrased)
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Many people who have taken or are taking supplements for KPU say that it should only be done with the help of an LLMD or a doctor with experience of treating heavy metals.
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Ya I know. But, as with many things, I don't really have a doc familiar with KPU. I am doing IV EDTA with a non LLDO, so hopefully doing all this together will help. Im also doing some IV C (which I really really need ), as well as other IV nutrients, some hydrogen peroxide and some ozone. I'm also doing long weekly saunas so I think I've got enough detox stuff in place to handle it.
My LLMD had me on so much stuff I just couldn't handle it. I'm hoping if I get the metals down and KPU in line I can be strong enough to do some real killing stuff.
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You might check how much zinc is in your IV nutrients before you start supplementing more. I did the KPU protocol without doctor supervision, BUT I never took the high doses of zinc. I always stayed within what the FDA (not that I trust them) considers safe.
It's a tough protocol, be ready for it. It's not just metals, after that the immune system kicks in and starts the battle with some of these bugs.
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He doesn't put any zinc in, which makes no sense to me. Good point though. I'm gonna double check that with him and make sure I'm not doubling up.
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So I think I figured out why my doc doesn't put zinc in my IVs. I'm pretty sure the EDTA would interfere with it and just pull it out. So I will have to ask him how far apart I need to take the minerals from the EDTA IV.
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How long were you on the protocol and how long before you started to Herx? I started to Herx for two days last week (worst so far) and thought it was the parasite cleanse and Buhner herbs (full protocol).
I was doing the KPU at the same time. Getting ready for the ABX that I start this weekend. I recently added more binders and that seemed to help but I did not think it was the KPU herx. This makes sense though.
All the Best, MattH
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I'm assuming everyone doing KPU ramps up slowly with the minerals?
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Six, how much zinc did you take?
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