susank
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http://ahdc.vet.cornell.edu/news/lyme.cfm New test replacing Elisa and WB. Also click on additional information. It appears that Cornell also tests ticks pulled from humans.
Seems to state specific bands for horses are 15,18,21,23,30,31,34,39,41.
To add: I went back to study Fig 1. It is a bit difficult for me to see which "blots" the arrows are pointing to.
But it seems that for the bands that Igenex considers specific for humans - and where so many IND's are returned - the corresponding horse "blots" are quite faint/hard to see. ie bands 31 and 39? Weaker responses? Sound familiar?
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i know horses who repeatedly have sx...test pos...get txed and the sx go away
my favorite horse is now 31 (thats old for a horse) and still doing well
he has been txed many times
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susank
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To me it is interesting that Cornell has stopped using the Elisa and WB tests - if I read that correctly. They are using a new test - and I don't have enough brain cells to figure out if their new test is the same or similar offered for humans.
I also find it interesting the bands that are considered specific for horses. The LD positive horses vs negative control horses from Alaska; good idea.
I guess the human vs animal labs/doctors work independently from each other. One would expect the KD's etc to be the same.
My concern is for example band 18. Human medicine has that band as unknown, or a protein or part of the flagella.
For horses the researchers appear to not waver on band 18 being a "key" band.
One year I had my horse tested by Elisa. This past year I asked for a WB and if any bands shown to please let me know. The tests were negative. I did not get a "band report" - so don't know.
Others here that have had horses/or dogs tested by WB - did you ever know what bands reacted?
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susank
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Tutu - I consider my hands slapped for posting again on this thread. I would insert sorry/grin emoticon if I knew how.
Folks, one does not have to have a horse to find the info in the links I have provided to be useful.
Myself - the only thing that is keeping me alive is that I have a horse that I so desperately want to be able to see/more often.
I will probably have him tested for LD again with Cornell's new test - if it is not terribly expensive. FWIW - he and I both started showing unusual symptoms about the same time. We spent alot of time in the woods - high grass etc.
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Well I found something useful. Why do the Alaskan horses have a strong band at 45-kDa? My guess! Tis actually 41-kDa.
But won't know till I do some measuring/calculating/graphing/curve fitting.
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susank
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Also Cornell's interesting explanation of OSP's for horses and dogs. One would think that LD would behave the same way in all mammals. ie the KD's. But the OSP's a bit different? and there is an OSP F?
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Man, all I know is, my dog came down with Lyme symptoms, I took her to the vet, blood test positive - no negotiation about which and how many bands, antibiotic treatment prescribed, easy, done, healthy. Why, two years later, haven't I been able to get anyone to diagnose and treat me? Why did it take a year and a half before I could get anyone to agree to give me a single blood test? I love my dear dog, but why do animals get better medical care than humans? Maybe because there are no insurance company middlemen involved?
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good point hulagrrl. I don't understand either.
Lab work for the dogs are available so much quicker too.
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susank
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Next week while I am away to get another LD test the vet will be out to pull blood on my horse.
I asked her to include the new LD test from Cornell. Cost: $36.
I wish I could sneak a tube of my blood to Cornell. Do you think they would notice?
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That would be so cool, susan!! Sure would be interesting. Hope you will decide to treat .. soon.
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susank
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It really is too bad that we cannot send our blood to Cornell for testing. We can send ticks to them but not blood. But our blood would be in the ticks??? If the tick specimen sent turns out to be positive - then what?
Edit: It appears the ticks sent are for ID purposes only in regards to humans. I had thought that all ticks received were tested for TBI's. I guess it is only for those pulled from animals.
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Sure would be interesting. Hope you will decide to treat .. soon.
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