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They can test for the antibodies for the mmr vaccine too. I really wish I never let them revaccinate me for that one. I swear someone's making a profit off that vaccine because it seems like they're needlessly pushing it all over the place.
I ended up getting a blood disorder called immune thrombocytopenia purpura shortly after being given the mmr booster vaccine just after starting at a hospital job that I really needed.
I've never been the same since. At this point I don't know if it was because I contracted Lyme around that time or maybe I had it and all the stupid vaccines they pushed on me strained my immune system enough to let an autoimmune disorder and lyme become more active…
Of course Dr's will look at me funny and blow me off if I inquire about the mmr-itp connection.
The study was done on children because that's the population typically vaccinated. Maybe they need to do a new one to see what the percentage is of adults developing ITP who are needlessly revaccinated.
ITP causes your platelet levels to be low. It can cause fatigue, easy bruising, worst case scenario involves bleeding. Your platelets are what clot your blood so without enough platelets you can get things like nosebleeds that don't stop and need to be cauterized in the emergency room, internal bleeding like a brain hemorrhage is a major concern once the platelets get low enough.
The only treatment seems to be IVIG, steroids, chemo… There's not a lot that can be done to. They try to suppress the immune system.
Who knows, one of the coinfections, ehrlichia, can cause thrombocytopenia too… maybe I never even had itp and it was just another one of those misdiagnoses that delay your lyme diagnosis… i'm still annoyed that they made it seem like I didn't have an option with the mmr vaccine.
you can use the search feature on here to see that someone else asked about "mmr" not too long ago. I responded along with someone else saying it wasn't worth the risk.
I reacted strongly to the TB test. They just put something under your skin on your arm you wait a few days and see if the bump grows beyond a certain size, like bigger than a half dollar. If it does I think they do a chest x-ray or something to see if you actually have tb.
I just got a copy of my immunization records and noticed they put one of the tb tests I got as positive. That's so annoying and ridiculous because I had to fax their office my results after getting the bump measured and I know I reacted more than most people, some people don't even get a bump, but I know I wasn't considered to have TB.
And the fact that they'd even list me as positive for tb and not do any follow up…
Gahhh maddening. I was very unimpressed with my hospital job and their sloppy pushy immunization rules. It's a major reason why I don't work at a hospital anymore. Which is a shame because I liked the work and found that it offered a lot of room for growth.
I didn't know you could get the antibody test for mmr. I wish I had gone that route. If they won't do it I'd suggest getting another dr. to do it and then you can give them the record.
They just need a piece of paper that shows he's vaccinated so they can check off a box and move on.
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- Look up "safe vaccines" -- "mercury free vaccines" "formaldehyde free vaccines" and see if you can find a professional group to guide you in how to at least insist on the "greenest" vaccine possible.
A thimerosol-free vaccine would have to ordered. And he'd want to SEE the vial to be certain. Yet, that only covers the mercury, not the formaldehyde, etc.
Google: thimerosal "Robert Kennedy, Jr"
He's done some excellent work in this regard. But, look past the articles that criticize him. Find his actual work. It's very impressive and excellent scholarhship. And it was just ignored.
But your husband should be aware that all the political powers and medical establishments say there is no problem. So, to work in a hospital, one must be savvy with what they say and how they approach such a matter.
Also look up what supplements to take before and after -- probably best to avoid all aerobic activity just prior or afterward, too, as that can put the immune system out for so many hours afterward, even in a healthy person.
cross search vaccines with these doctors for their articles on the subject: Holtorf . . . Mercola . . .
Now the thing is, that the concept of vaccines is not so bad as the preservatives and additives in them. I get that some diseases are dire, indeed, and the concept is a basically sound one. It's just what we've done to them (and the volume, too).
If one is required to have a vaccine (of course figure out if it's already been done or there is some immune marker that will prove all is well).
Beyond that, see if there is a naturopathic doctor near who could advise before . . . and also as to the specifics of what to ask for -- in advance. Some of these have to be ordered, etc.
The ND would also know how to support when a vaccine is to be done. -
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My LLND says there is a specific protocol for helping the body when one needs specific vaccinations for work/travel.
I had a really hard time with a tetanus booster. It had a few others in it and it was a live vaccine. I believe the mmr is a live vaccine also?
Can you consult a naturopathic doc in your area asap? Hopefully they will have a vaccination detox regimen etc.
PS. Congrats on your hubby's new job! Yay! Hurrah!
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well, he is supposed to get the vaccines tomorrow. and start work Monday. i am not sure how long we can wait and don't have access to a naturopath, or the money.
I plan on him requesting to have his antibodies tested before agreeing to a vaccination.
i am seriously hoping he will have immunity to all these and we can avoid the vaccinations altogether!!
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if he refuses will he get the job?
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- I can see that refusal could work against him. If he inquires about options, it would be best to do that anonymously (at least at first until he comes to a decision - if he goes through with it, no need to bring attention to himself).
Now, if he is relatively healthy, he may do just fine. Many people do, which is why those who do not are met with such disbelief.
I suggest support and aerobic exercise avoidance prior and after, too, though.
A good job, a paycheck, food on the table, all that is really important. Most in medical establishments are very quick to brand anyone who questions vaccines as stupid, wacko and a rebel. And that is not the way to start a new job.
Some of the detail here would do better with more time to study. Still, some other links here can tell you what supplements, or veggies / fruits, could help with support.
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Now, while this has very valid considerations, I post it for study . . . I would certainly hesitate making such waves in a new job, who wouldn't?
Perhaps, the most important points could be asked about whatever vaccine is to be used, though.
If a mercury free vaccine is desired, that may need to be ordered TODAY - there may be some in your town but maybe not at all clinics.
CALL YOUR LOCAL AUTISM SUPPORT GROUPS for names of doctors or advice, too. They should be able to help navigate this.
Is there a religious objection?
Still, a hospital may require it, anyway for all employees . . . and, really, the mmr concept of protection a valid point, too, for those around pregnant women and infants, especially.
The autism group may know of the safest doctors or clinic with the "greenest" ingredients to seek out.
There may be additional support suggestions here. I don't have time to sort through for the most positive approaches, given the sort time frame and the way the cards seem stacked to do this. -
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Can he claim that it is against his religious beliefs?
I might do that when my son goes into pre-k this fall.
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- Google Advanced Search: Immunizations "opt out" "religious" "Medical center employee"
Basic cross search terms that bring up some links. You'd want to pop in the exact name of the new employer group . . . see what their handbook says -- and the other requirements for opting out.
Not sure how to be certain that it's the most updated document, though.
If so, there is likely a specific form - and they do not take kindly to someone just pulling a religious reason out of thin air. There would need to be some sort of tie to it.
Within the past month, some members of the Amish community have just started to take vaccines after a measles outbreak.
Again, the autism support groups (many of whom opt out) would be able to share information.
Still, with MMR, you would want to consider if the wearing of a mask (or other alternative options) would offer enough protection (for self & coworkers, patients) for someone who might be working with patients, especially infants.
It may but it's just good to have as many answers as possible.
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- Going back to the Hepatitis B (not sure if that was to be a screening or a vaccine?).
A couple different "voices" here. With the first, there is some detail that is important to know about the infection, itself. I don't see why a vaccine would be necessary, really, unless in a high risk group.
I can see why a medical center may want to screen were there to be any fluid / blood interaction but how would that really happen, anyway? There are already so many safety measures that should protect against any mishaps with knives, needles, donating blood, etc.
[We all know lyme can get through blood donations but that's another matter.]
I see a huge privacy concern with screening for one's job when the employer does the test and they know the results first.
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He has not made waves over all this, thankfully there was a box to check if u wanted to test for antibodies instead of getting vaccinated.
he took the test and i guess we will find out soon if he has to get a vaccination.
so far he has just had the tb test, which i didn't think much about. I hope that is not problematic?
I had several tb tests for the place i worked before i was ill with no problem.
I doubt they would hire him if he refused since it is a hospital. We need this job really bad so hopefully it all goes well.
Thank you for all the info. everyone!
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I like the religious belief suggestion (Yanivnaced).
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It is important to have a healthy immune system so that you can respond appropriately to the vaccine...
so it can do the job it was intended to do i.e., help make antibodies that will stay present for awhile should you come into contact with a pathogen that has those antigens.
My OLD(er) dog had too many vaccines all at once and when into CHF! A different vet tried to reverse this situation via steroids, but it was too late.
I think giving our soldiers so many vaccines all at once and sending them into stressful environments PLUS exposure to toxins is a recipe for disaster.
Read this title slowly:
"Dysregulated mitochondrial genes and networks with drug targets in
postmortem brain of patients with posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD)
revealed by human mitochondria-focused cDNA microarrays."
PMID: 18690294
Some people are at greater risk of adverse reactions to vaccines due to underlying genetic predispositions:
"Many children should NOT receive vaccinations because they have underlying mitochondrial disorders that make them exponentially more vulnerable to vaccine damage.
Mitochondrial disorder results from alterations in DNA that damage the body’s energy system, including the ability to produce and utilize ATP (Adenosine Tri-Phosphate).
This changes the way the immune system responds to challenge and results in
systemic damage rather than
the child responding with increased immunity (which is the supposed goal of vaccinations)."
Compared to Roman soldiers...the healthiest, strongest, best fed, etc.
In hindsight...my daughter had a huge negative response to her 1st DPT shot. IMO, it is given too soon. Her "clear" young skin developed a rather large "age spot" at the location on her thigh where the shot was given. It remains to this day.
There are MANY diseases where there is "mitochondrial dysfunction" and add environment (pathogens' antigens or toxic exposure - like agent orange - thanks Monsanto! AND stress PLUS an underlying genetic predisposition isn't good!
BTW...as a OB RN (where there is a lot of exposure to blood), I was not offered a HIV vaccine...
Just saying...they (employers) can't protect us from EVERYTHING.
My sis was Rx'd Humira (lowers TNF alpha levels)by a "ruinatologist" in the Midwest years ago. She was supposed to have a TB test done before the prescription was given. Do you think the doc ordered it? Naah.
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