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I don't think five days off of doxy will kill you. Listen to your LLMD and see what happens. Maybe keep a journal of symptoms.
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Are you worried about going off of the doxy? Or going back on it?
Going off it for five days seems like a good idea. This is a marathon, not a sprint.
I'd be a little more concerned about the rec to go back ON it if you indeed may be allergic to it.
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I was more concerned with stopping for 5 days.
I was lucky to start taking it only 1 week after seeing a bite (that might not even have been a tick).
I wanted to tough it out and keep on it to hammer any potential bugs out.
My concern was whether stopping for 5 days would allow bugs (if there are any) to rage back with a vengeance.
Even with 5 days off though, I believe I started treatment soon enough for a good result.
And yes....going back on makes me a little nervous. But I think I'll have a better idea if what is going on once I get through some candida treatment.
For example, if the mild morning itching on my chest gets better....it might have been candida. I guess it could still have been doxy too.
I don't think LLMD thinks I'm allergic. I think he just wants me to feel and be safe and get through this with as little stress and discomfort as possible.
I'm glad that you guys think stopping for 5 days wouldn't derail my treatment.
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Oh, and are there good things to help get through yeast die-off? I suspect this might be a bad one.
I've read a little about candidate and molybdenum, but am not really sure what helps people the most and is safe to take with other things.
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- Olive Leaf Extract cured the issue of candida overgrowth for me. It can also cover several bases in regards to it have a wide range of antimicrobial properties.
If you have to stop an Rx, this is a very good thing to have in it's place for that time period and then, also all along. When Rx are re-started, take OLE a couple hours away from it.
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I saw candidate listed on thecandidadiet.com as a helpful supplement.
Same with Molybdenum.
Knowing how bad die off was for me a couple of years ago, I could really use some help.
Especially since I'm trying to work during all of this.
I have heard awesome things about OLE. is it drops? Pills? I hear they are really strong.
Would I use that along with the Fluconazole?
If that kills yeast, the die off would be even crazier, right?
Oh wait....I see the links.
Just need something to help detox effectively.
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- The liver support thread is all about "detox" but not in a harsh way. Don't push "detox"; rather go for support that will allow the liver to do its best. You cannot push the liver to work faster, harder.
Liver support / herx support is what helps with candida die-off, too.
Getting enough food is important, too. Too many try to starve and that can be very dangerous. Just be wise and go for the whole complex foods, mostly veggies, protein, good fats.
You would start low and slow. Don't start out at the top dose all at once.
Don't buy just any brand, though. Seagate - or a brand that uses the same practices is vital. Most are not good quality for reasons explained in Morton Walker's article / book.
No, I would not take OLE and fluconazole at the same time without first asking a naturopathic doctor. I found that OLE was much better than fluconazole, and much safer for the liver, too.
It may be that, starting out, you'd do both and then as you increase in dose for the OLE, you'd back off the fluconazole. Both would not be taken at the same time of day, however.
Still, a ND could help you with such question for your individual needs and situation. -
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Thanks, Keebler! This is so helpful! I'm going to order the Seagate OLE.
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I want to second the motion about diet. Make sure you are doing low carb, avoiding alcohol, etc.
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Lymetoo....do you find the Molybdenum helps? Do you take it all the time, or only when treating?
I thought I read something about it interacting with other things, so I'm trying to find that information.
I already take vitamin D3, probiotic and now GI Encap.
I'll be watching my diet as well....I totally agree that diet is crucial.
In fact, I've herxed just from diet alone back when it was bad.
Couldn't start Fluconazole yet because I have an appointment today that I have to be able to get myself to. Didn't want to get bad herx and have to cancel.
I hate this candida business.
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Good info on OLE and candida.
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I was just reading that Molybdenum comes with a risk of an enlarged heart???
What is that about?
NOW makes NAC that gets great reviews. Anyone take that one?
Once I get this under control and past the worst of the die-off, I am going to try OLE.
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- Molybdenum is an important nutrient - in the right amount. If a person is deficient, that's not good. Too much not good either.
When the body does not have the correct balance of key nutrients, it can be much harder regarding opportunistic infections such as candida -- and the gut really needs key nutrients, too.
NAC is more for liver support than for anti-candida action. -
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- For the OLE, you'd probably want both capsules and tincture. The Seagate tincture is a glycerine base so it's soothing to the mouth and can just soak in without a water chase like many alcohol tinctures requires due to their strength / burn. -
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So....the NAC would help more with flushing out the die-off .... which is what I want.
I have the Fluconazole to actually kill off the yeast.
Then, once done with that, I might move over to OLE as it's a natural way to go.
I've never done tinctures before, so would have to read up on that.
I plan to start the Fluconazole tomorrow, and am just dreading it.
I think my overgrowth might be substantial enough to actually need the prescription.
Although, I'm learning that OLE is very strong and effective!
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- "flushing" is a term that I find dangerous when we talk about our body organs.
NAC is helpful to the liver, to support its ability especially to better make glutathione for the liver and for every cell in our body.
Glutathione, in turn supports our body's ability to metabolize toxins, gobbling them up so to speak, moving them on out at a reasonable speed. -
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That was a much better explanation.... lol!
That's what I was referring to. A supplement to help support function and move toxins out of my system at a nice...but safe...pace. Posts: 711 | From Bucks County, PA | Registered: Apr 2008
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- Whew! Just be sure to avoid acetaminophen as that blocks glutathione in the liver and all the cells of the body. -
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NAC makes me herx. Why is that??
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- NAC is not suited for every individual. It's very strong. Too strong for me. Really hits me in the gut.
I do not think it's a herx (as only things that kill spirochetes really can cause a herx) but just the way my body reacts to its properties.
N-Acetyl Cysteine is a sulfur amino acid. Many just can't process it. I do okay with sulfur in garlic, I just think my stomach takes a hit with NAC for other reasons.
Milk Thistle or Dandelion are better, IMO. Even Milk Thistle can be too strong for some. Dandelion is the most gentle yet has good strong properties.
I forget the reason but one LLMD suggest that those with lyme not take NAC. Still, it seems to be an individual's ability or inability to tolerate it that mostly matters.
Backing up to tiny doses may work and then easing up over time. Still, I always think that if something really clobbers us and there are other ways to approach it that do not and are still effective, go for the ways in which we can feel as good as possible along this path.
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The folks over at www.cpnhelp.org where NAC is required for treatment, report herx reactions to it. The thought is that it affects killing of Cpn "elemental bodies"
It also helps with mercury detox. -
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- The liver support set above has many other liver support options. Most things that help the liver will also help with glutathione.
While NAC is mentioned here (but I think many with MTHFR issues can't "do" NAC), there are also many other options:
Wonder if it's gentler?
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- Sounds like it should be fine. Start with just couple drops in a half cup of water.
I've enjoyed Pau d'arco in other forms before but start low and slow. I've read good things about lemongrass & marigold (never taken marigold before though).
The thing is that I would research the company first. I've never heard of them. They may be very good but do find out just who they are. Best to buy directly from a company when you can to be sure you get the real thing when you buy something brand new to you.
There are many counterfeit products out there with labels that look just fine.
You want to find out where they get their herbs, how they are grown & harvested, extracted, etc. before you order, get to know all about them.
And you'd need to know where they get their glycerine.
HERB PHARM is a brand herbal tinctures that I can highly recommend. They grow most of their own herbs in Southern Oregon and have many excellent formulas. -
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