I've always refused the shot and never gotten the flu. But wondering if my luck will run out and so should get the shot?
It's being offered free through former employer.
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- IMO, that "guideline" is absolutely preposterous.
Still, it would be your personal decision for any vaccine. Yet, discuss it with your LLMD. And be sure to study the detail in the various articles here.
The journal link you just posted is also in this set with some discussion.
VACCINE INGREDIENTS - Informational Links set -
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- " . . . wondering if my luck will run out . . . ."?
There are so many ways to be smart and proactive regarding your health and flu prevention. And, if you might get "it" (whatever the "it" might be as there can be various strains) - well, even then there are so many ways to address symptoms.
First: try to avoid being in the spray of any flushing toilet. At home, keep the lid down when flushing and keep toothbrush dry and clean, and out of the way.
Away, plan and choose toilet use as best you can. Toilet spray is, I think, a major matter with spread of disease.
Not leaving drinking cups / mugs sitting around in the open for the office cough fest matters as well.
Washing hands and not handling surfaces, never put hands in mouth . . . but don't go so far as to load chemicals on your hands. Just use common sense.
It does not matter if some germs are on hands, that's just normal & it's just fine. Just keep your hands away from your moist body parts.
That includes your eyes. Don't touch your eyes with your fingers, either. If you need to rub your eyes, take a tissue from the box that is not the one on top and gently rub your eyes.
Having some eye drops with you always a good idea. Preservative free, and be mindful of the expiration date. Similasan has many types.
Be sure to shop now for items so you can be prepared:
Isatis
Allicin
Black Elderberry Extract
LDM-100 / Lotatium
Licorice pellets
Ginger capsules - Turmeric - Magnesium - Green Tea, etc.
Electrolytes
Key homeopathics
Foods that will work -
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- the exact type of pellet as posted here - Zagarese - so good to soothe a sore throat and coughs.
Of course, if you can connect with a good naturopathic doctor or acupuncturist, they can best guide you all through the season(s).
Most NDs will carry Seven Forest brands. Your LLMD will know best for your body how to proceed and your LLMD may also know of any LL ND or NDs who are the best in your area. -
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Just because you have Lyme doesn't automatically mean you are immune compromised.
Many people develop autoimmune type symptoms from the immune system over reacting to itself, the infections, and anything they may come in contact with (or even eat).
Less people have true immune deficiencies where the body cannot protect itself and does not fight infections properly. They are usually sick all the time with pneumonias befor diagnosis.
To test, an immunologist does specialized testing on your IgG, IgA, IgM levels. Along with vaccine titers, B cell & T cell counts, neutrophil counts & activity, etc... There are also now genetic tests for primary immunodeficiencies like CVID.
My Very Very well known LLMD recommends flu shots.
I generally do not build immunity from vaccines due to my immune deficiency so I need my family and friends to protect me by getting the vaccine. This way no one close brings me the flu! They are happy to help!
Plus I have a 4 yr & 2yr old niece & nephew that need protected too since they go to preschool and are around tons of germs at school! They get their shots too with no ill effects.
Most of the outspoken people here are very anti- vaccine. That does not mean that everyone here follows the same beliefs?
Everyone has the right to chose.
I am very pro- vaccine.
I have been to 3rd world countries and seen the devastation to communities when vaccine preventable disease spreads like wild fire through the villages.
They had no access modern medicine. (It was like they lived in a whole different world!)
In one village, ALL, ALL the children died due to a measles outbreak just before our arrival. Coming frame America where we have " herd immunity" It was my first time seeing measles.
People here in America and Europe do not fear vaccine preventable illnesses because they are for the most part kept in check by herd immunity by those that get vaccines.
So we don't see the diseases. We've forgotten the horrors that our grand parents experienced. My grandmother lost several siblings to an outbreak of diphtheria. Also a baby of her own to pertussis.
Polio caused lifelong paralysis if you survived. Chickenpox, MMR, mumps continue to live in the body even after the initial illness.
Chickenpox comes back as painful shingles and post herpetic neuralgia. Horrible burning nerve pain! MMR & mumps cause neurological symptoms too. Those are just a few off the top of my head real fast.
The flu is not always so serious but it does turn into pneumonia at times, And that is known to be deadly.
I just get tired of always hearing negatives about vaccines.
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You should talk with your LLMD. Mine recommends I don't get the flu shot.
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I asked my LLMD about flu protection and he suggested taking mushroom products like Host Defense, with 17 different types in it, to boost the immune system. HD is pretty inexpensive.
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I would never take flu shots. Specially because during lyme, most people are more protected than normal 'healthy' guys against colds and flu due to an imbalance in the immune system (TH1 and TH2 regulation).
During lyme, I think I caught ZERO colds, or next to that.
It's known that lyme sufferers catch less colds than normal people due to immune dysfunction, due to chronic infections. The body attacks easily acute infections, but can't deal with chronic stage, something like that.
When my lyme went dormant, I started catching colds so often... It was like I was a typical example of that TH1 and TH2 imbalance!!
At a certain point, I caught so many colds as I moved to a polluted place in Asia. Then I started Vit D3 daily, and things got much better.
I never took any flu shot, I would run from them like the devil.
there are many options to treat the flu or to make your body stronger. Vit D3 is one very potent way.
I would also add propolis drops (about 10 drops a day) for the whole winter, and buy all the flu HOMEOPATHIC remedies and keep in the closet.
These homeopathics are quite efficient, not as preventative, but when symptoms start to appear.
The flu can be prevented partially and treated with natural substances (even high dose Vit C).
But FLU SHOT DAMAGE, I don't think there is any treatment that is efficient for everyone. Like increase of allergies, MORE disregulation of the immune system, neurological symptoms, etc
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New evidence says yes. . . . -
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What you say Brussels seems to be true for me. It seems to be the only thing lyme has been good for--keeping the flu away! I don't get colds either.
But, have a funny feeling about it now that I might be knocking it out of me. I'll ask my naturopath.
And then there's the glyphosphate issue.
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- Marz, there are many other ingredients to consider, too. Aluminum is just one. The Ingredients links set has much more detail. -
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I can get out of a flu in about 60 minutes with homeopathics.
First line of defense, at the first sign of the flu, is Oscillococcinum. It is found, even, the grocery store here, but for sure at any health food store or supplement shop. http://www.oscillo.com/
"How do I take Oscillo?
Dissolve the entire contents of one tube under the tongue every 6 hours, up to 3 times a day. As with all homeopathic medicines, Oscillo should be taken in a mouth free of strong flavors or anything that may coat the mouth. We recommend taking the medicine 15 minutes before or after eating, drinking or brushing your teeth."
(I take it more often than that. If I need to repeat in 30 minutes I do. It depends on how vicious the onset is. As long as there are flu symptoms for it to work on then the remedy is used until the symptoms fade. Space out doses with improvement. 3 doses a day is the normal dosing rate.)
*If I have chills so bad that even while sitting in a hot bathtub of water it feels like I am sitting in a tub of ice cubes, I add an oral dosing homeopathic remedy Gelsemium semp 30c (Yellow Jasmine). I take that every 15 minutes for an hour then as needed. Chills up the back and the back feels stiff with tension -- Gelsemium is the remedy.
*If my bones hurt I add the oral homeopathic Eupatorium perf 30c (Boneset herb), every 15 minutes for an hour then I space out doses if any more are needed.
*If I feel very toxic with the flu I use homeopathic Baptisia tinc 30c (Wild Indigo), dosing the same way.
Mixing these remedies is not a problem. Many on the shelf remedies by Boiron and Hylands are mixed remedies.
*Hyland sells DEFEND Severe Cold & Flu that combines all of the above except Baptisia. I take that as directed on the box.
*If there is nausea with the flu, Nature's Way makes Umcka Cold and Flu that has homeopathic Ipecacuana and that deals with nausea and there are some flu remedies but it does not contain any oscillo (Anas Barbareae). It is based on a flower the Zulu tribe uses called Pelargonium.
*Umcka Cold Care is THE go-to cold remedy in our house. It is amazing.
It is best to have this in the house before falling ill as when the flu hits, sometimes it can be hard to do even the smallest thing.
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I always have oreganol drops on hand. It worked for colds for me before lyme. Haven't needed it much since.
I floated a few drops on a shot glass full of water and slugged it down throat. It burns, so need to do quickly with good amount of water.
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- Marz,
Yeah, oregano oil can be fantastic.
You might find GEL-CAPS easier to manage. Gaia Herbs makes a wonderful Oregano oil gelcap that does not dissolve until further down the hatch. Much safer and more comfortable.
And PEPPERMINT Oil Gelcaps would also be a good member of the team.
With any plant oil gel-cap, a good idea not to lie down for a little while and also to take with a little food. -
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I wouldn't be too worried about the flu. I think the flu doesn't like lyme sufferers!!
No kidding.
But if it comes, many people gave you good suggestions here.
I do not have lyme, so I do catch colds sometimes. My daughter too, since her lyme got dormant, she caught many colds.
I realized that polluted air made us catch colds (we lived in a polluted area in South Korea for 2 years), and we 'solved' that partially with Vit D3.
When we caught colds, we usually used peppermint essential oil (called Olbas oil, a sort of Chinese mix of oils, the main oil being peppermint).
We simply rubbed it on the throat, lymph, lungs and acupuncture points.
It made the cold comes weaker.
If you start rubbing oils on your body, you'll get how fast it can help.
Rubbing oils can be very efficient (even though you may 'cry' with peppermint), so keep eyes closed. Some people even use lavender. I like Olbas, because it makes the sinuses open.
Recently, we've been using the Violet Ray (sort of similar mechanims to rife): we simply apply high frequencies on the throat, sinuses, and the cold either disappears (if you catch it day 1), or it will come milder.
The violet ray cost us 25 dollars, so it is a very cheap way to treat colds. The most efficient of all devices (we have a contact rife device, a hulda clark zapper, Dr. K's KMT, the PE1, but this cheapest device is what works better!!!)
But the best medicine for us, I think, has been gluten-free diet. For some reason, eating gluten was messing with the immune system of my daughter, and she kept catching all bugs that were around.
Since we started fully gluten free in June, she didn't catch anything (before, was about 2x a month with some bug).
But as I said, don't worry too much, if your lyme is active. When you start to get better, you can start worrying.
Many people here in lymenet know they are getting well when they start catching colds!!!
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I have a doctor that wants me to get the flu shot, she knows I see an integrative doc and Lyme specialist and she was concerned that someone might be telling me not to get it
I haven't decided, I haven't gotten the flu shot in 2 years. I used to get it because I worked somewhere it was required, and being a chronic fatigue sufferer, my original immunologist recommended it.
I have immune issues (hypogammaglobulemia) so getting the flu could really devastate my immune system. But I'm not sure I believe the flu shots are terribly effective.
So I'm at a crossroad here. I don't believe you can naturally protect yourself from the flu..if you are exposed it's going to happen unless your immune system works it's magic and reduces the severity.
I haven't made my decision yet, honestly I don't want to get the shot but I don't know what's worse...the flu could set me back months in terms of my health...plus I have asthma so I'm supposed to get the shot.
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I don't think they are effective AT ALL. I've even heard reports that the reason flu cases were lower last year was because fewer people got the shots.
I believe it.
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Generally the latest mix of the flu vaccine doesn't even protect against the most prevalent strains durinf flu season--new strains develop all the time.
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jus say no....
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Never again. I was over my Lyme symptoms and had a flu shot. They came roaring back 10 fold and I started getting mild seizures.
I blame the flu shot (and ironically prior to 2003 I had never had a flu shot, so I also blame myself for giving into the persuasion of my MD and my brother)
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If you guys read lyme sufferers' experience with flu vaccines, you would think twice before doing that.
Some people here say they it took them years to go out of the hole, if they ever went out...
The flu vaccine maybe can 'protect' you from some flu. But it may cause you the flu too. At least, that is what I have been reading.
I know my parents caught the flu days after the vaccine. It is even usual for them.
They do fall down with flu symptoms, sometimes, but as their drs insist they have to take the shots, they do (due to age).
They do not have lyme though.
I guess, if you read the INGREDIENT list of what they will inject you, you will think twice before getting the jab.
but of course, it is a personal decision. Just read more about it, side effects, chronic illnesses and vaccines, etc.
If you take it, take it after reading a lot. Not what the makers and governements publish only, but reports from REAL PEOPLE who took the jabs.
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