I haven't watched all of it.

I also have seen parts of Dr. Loraine Day's infomercial.

I think hers is along the same lines...eat organic, lots of water...and I can't recall the rest.

I certainly would prefer to get well without drugs.

But, My guess is there are people who have put these ideas into their plan and are still sick.

I certainly couldn't hurt to give them a try though.

I have been drinking lots of water and trying to eat as well as I can in an area where organic is not possible.

It has made some difference, but it is just a piece of the pie.

Let me know if you get the book. I will see if the local library has it.

It always makes me laugh when I hear people are cured by stopping sugar, drinking clean water, and eating organic food. If that was all it took for everybody, I would never have gotten Lyme.

Now, don't get me wrong. I still eat organic, try to keep my environment as clear of chemicals as I can, use natural and alternative treatments.

I do believe eating well......whole organic foods is building for the body. You can't expect to eat crap and get better. Even if your "healthy" and eat crap it will catch up to you.

Look at all the increase in diabetes, heart disease and cancer in this country.

Similarly, eating well doesn't give you any guarantees either......but I do believe it tips the scales in one's favor.

Eventually, were all gonna go, but while here doesn't it pay to try to be healthy?

robi

Lyme has a way of depleting very important things in the body. For me, my big problems are CoQ10, sodium and cloride, and magnesium. Lots of other things are borderline. The doc says my sodium was so low that that alone could be contributing to my cognitive problems. And apparently based on previous CBC results, it has been low for quite some time. I never knew this was significant.

So, I have started some oral supplements, but will also be doing some nutritional IVs to replenish my levels of some of these things. After 4 to 6 weeks, I can move to orals.

But the doc also mentioned that overall results show my kidneys, liver, etc. are in good shape. Which is amazing in itself, since I have taken high-dose antibiotics for years. Also noted that results show I am responding well to treatment.

Do pay attention to things like this, as I think it can make the difference if your body is "fit" to fight these diseases on it's own. For me, antibiotics have not cut it, but in combination with some nutritional therapies, I will likely make more progress.

It's unfortunate that the FDA thinks that drugs are the answer. Just look at all the people walking around eating themselves to death, all the while, doing things like taking statins to lower their cholesterol, and anti-hypertensives to lower their blood pressure. Very little emphasis is put on maintaining the health of your body. The FDA's stance on this issue proves they are in bed with the drug companies, IMO.

Some say they have never seen anything like it. I have also heard that some think it is nicotine. when quitting smoking, my cravings were eased by having a coffee, but am addicted to coffee so who knows.

Adding addictive agents to the food supply makes sense. It wouldn't surprise me.

Your and mine thoughts have power.

More so than they would like you to belive.

Though your thoughts alone you can create feel good neurotransmitters and hormones and immuno-stimulative chemicals.

The power of belief and feeling is so important.

This disease and any chronic disease for that matter created a dibilitating pattern of learned helplessness which further lowers the immune system.

The more we try to more we seem to fail so it seems like resistance is futile.
This sends messages to our nervous systems that we have given up and makes up weak.

Anyway, he went on to say that things like Obesity, ADD, Acid Reflux are being delcared deseases so that the drug companies can own these markets and nobody else now can treat these things (which I agree aren't deseases). And the drug commercials on TV who are they marketing towards? Rhetorical.

Basically, the desease classification is being expanded so drug companies can step in, he claimed they even tried to classify things like Vitamin C a drug and such. If you make a claim that a food, herb or any non drug product helps, treats or cures some desease the FDA steps in and shuts you down for selling a drug without a license because only a drug can treat a desease.

1) organic foods (unless it's not available) I shop mostly at farmer markets, Trader Joe's or Whole Foods

2) using only organic or at least 100% natural personal care products ie shampoo, conditioner, soap, detergent, household cleaners, etc (Be aware that many products claim it's natural but it is not unless you know how to read the ingredients on the label.) I was recently recommend to check into this great website by a doctor www.drrapp.com Educate you about contaminations

3) Use only highest qualities supplements from reputable companies. Tough to know which one nowaday. I found one I trust so I welcome any inquiry. Just email me privately if you are interested

4) exercise - I started yoga again and now adding windsor pilate to my regimen since my health improves and I'm able to increase the higher level of difficulty

5) The best water filter system for drinking and shower. This is another way for impurities enter your body daily. My filter system costs me about $200 plus s&h. I also have an ionizer machine for the air to zap all the unseen bugs or bacteria.

6) Positive mental and emotional attitude. I noticed when I'm thinking negatively, frustrated, upset or worry about something my physical body reacts immediately. I now focus on the positive outcomes or searching for a solution that works for me. I also find myself avoid negative energies comes from negative people around me. I tried not to listen or being around those people and avoid or ignore their state of mind. This is the hardest thing to conquer but in time I get better at it.

7) I'd eliminate all pharmaceutical drugs from my list and only take alternative/ natural herbs. Drugs contain toxins which I'm trying to clean out of my body so why put it back in.

I'm now symptoms free and thankful for those who've helped and guided me through the process. But at the end it is ME who've made the change and commit to do for ME only. There's all the gain in the world and nothing to lose.

Forgot who said it (and it's too late to scroll back up to look) that she/he is low in sodium. Having dealt with these issues for a few years now, I know that low sodium and low calcium has been observed in people with chronic exposure to mercury. Just thought I would send out this alert. It has also been found that mercury and Lyme live together extremely well - except it's not so much fun for us.

Yes, there is always something to be cheerful about!

Take care.

T

Your body was attacked by a very strong pathogen. The outer wall, when destroyed releases powerful toxins. This pathogen - by the time you got the rash, had depleted your Mg levels by over 30% according to cancer doctors in Romania. Also, microbiologist Dr. Gary Kaiser has said Bb uses Mg.

Meanwhile, to fight this infection, and for many other body functions, your own body was needing Mg. It is an intracellular electrolyte. STORED. Has to be pulled from storage. The liver helps out first.

It is known a 10% drop in Mg levels causes osteoporosis. We're looking at a far greater drop. Being healthy would not have prevented this from happening. Being healthy does not stop one from suffering the effects of botulism, for example.

But...eating healthy, exercising, drinking good water, praying, getting out in the sun and fresh air, etc. DO help to support our immune system...and supporting our own highly targeted immune system IS CRITICAL.

Very quickly, in the Mg department, you became malnourished. This is disasterous.

The following website will help you to understand the functions of Mg. Skip over the first page if you want as it compares chlorophyll in plants to Mg in humans. Skim the rest, but pay close attention to the many CRITICAL functions of this mineral.
http://www.mdschoice.com/elements/elements/major_minerals/magnesium.htm

Restore the balance.

P.S. Nicotine by itself(!) is alkaline. Believe it or not, it is recommended for Chron's disease. It is believed this is the addictive factor...the "need" for an alkaline substance. Caffeine, according to Dr. Perricone triggers insulin (acidic). Not good. Looks like when one postive charged (alkaline) mineral is deficient, the body will go in search of others to try to compensate...to try to use it to combine with the acids to make hydrogen.

If I did not need abx I surely would not be on them. I ate 99.9% organic food prior to contracting Lyme. I also exercised daily, often at a competative level. I used mostly natural cleaning and personal hygeine products. I took my vitamins too.

I am quite sure I would not be walking right now if it were not for 2 of the Rx I have taken for Lyme. I have tried many protocols. I often got sicker on some of the meds. I have also tried many alternative protocols, some of which I have incorporated into my daily healing. But, without a doubt, the current abx that I am on has given me the start of my life back.

You must find a balance. And, you must be willing to try various approaches (as someone else mentioned).

Trudeau has a good pitch and lots of it probably makes sense. Just beware of those who preach on infomercials. I always check their credentials. You can get a PHD through a mail-in correspondence course these days.

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Your body was attacked by a very strong pathogen. The outer wall, when destroyed releases powerful toxins.

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Exactly. I know that eating well and living clean probably kept me from getting worse than I did, but it couldn't prevent the pathogen from establishing itself.

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This pathogen - by the time you got the rash, had depleted your Mg levels by over 30% according to cancer doctors in Romania. Also, microbiologist Dr. Gary Kaiser has said Bb uses Mg.

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Since I, like many, never had a rash, and was diagnosed ten years after having my first symptoms, I'm guessing my magnesium is very low.

I haven't been able to bring the levels up very well with oral Mg, and they have problems with my veins with the IV. Any ideas? I know it makes a difference in my muscle pain and headaches, as well as heart issues. I'm assuming there are other problems I can't tell, but haven't figured out how best to approach it.

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It is known a 10% drop in Mg levels causes osteoporosis. We're looking at a far greater drop. Being healthy would not have prevented this from happening. Being healthy does not stop one from suffering the effects of botulism, for example.

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Yes! Exactly what I am saying. While it is good, and important to eat a good diet, cut exposure to chemicals, etc, it is not the answer to everything. People who were eating bad diets before will notice the change, but if you were already eating well, there is nowhere to go with it.

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But...eating healthy, exercising, drinking good water, praying, getting out in the sun and fresh air, etc. DO help to support our immune system...and supporting our own highly targeted immune system IS CRITICAL.

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Yes again! Just because you need to treat a strong pathogen doesn't mean you have to drop all other health promoting measures. Intelligent use of the right protocol for you is necessary, whatever that includes.

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The following website will help you to understand the functions of Mg. Skip over the first page if you want as it compares chlorophyll in plants to Mg in humans. Skim the rest, but pay close attention to the many CRITICAL functions of this mineral.

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I'll check it out, but you don't really have to convince me about the importance of Mg. I just haven't figured out the best way to implement it.

I have started drinking strong decoctions of herbs that are very high in minerals, hoping that will work better than tablets. Nettles, oatstaw, chamomile, etc.

If we also register an excess in some minerals/metals, as most living on this good earth do these days, such as the ones also referred to as heavy metals, we are starting on a tough journey, whether we add the Lyme infections to it or not. I am not even talking viruses and parasites, etc.

So no matter what, until we get the body back into balance, i.e. take in and absorb (emphasis on 'absorb")the ones we are missing, and get the ones that have damaged our blood-brain barrier to move out of our body, and restore the blood brain barrier, neuro symptoms and a whole cascade of others plaque us.

By the way, mercury destroys the astrocytes that are a part of the b/b barrier -- Essential Fatty Acids help fix it to a great degree (Fish Oil - Omega 3 - we tend to get too much Omega 6/9 in plant oil). Arsenic, lead and aluminum cause more. It goes on and on until you get rid of the sources for toxic heavy metals.

Good healthy food is basic, but one has to go way beyond that once we have acquired the symptoms most Lymies complain about.

Currently looking into the mercury issue. My ION didn't show anything high on any of the toxic elements, but I know that isn't necessarily correct. I know some of these can hide in the tissues.

But while I am writing this specifically to you, do you have any recommendations on how to supplement CoQ10? My levels are very low, being 0.4 with normal reference range of 0.8 to 1.5. This is apparently driving up my lipid peroxides.

"I bought the book " natural cures"....It has some information on natural things to do but it is mostly a book that tells you to go to its website ,and you will find the answers there....you must pay monthly to use the website..."

Every aspect of my physical system was analyzed and supplements prescribed for deficiencies. I have an excellent holistic doctor. I was also detoxing with a sauna for some metals founds.

After a period of time, when various symptoms did not clear up, my holistic doctor decided to give me a lyme test.

People with chronic lyme I believe, need meds to get well, possibly in the early stages natural medicine could kick it but I don't know.

My holistic doc sent me to J. Clinic. I told him I wanted to treat lyme aggressively and he suggested the conventional route. After stuggling through this awful period of meds and herxing and all the rest of it, I hope then I will use alternatives to heal the damage that has been done through the treatment.

I would prefer a doctor who treats you both conventionally and alternatively, but they are hard to find. And then there is the cost of all of this. Those of us on disability are stretched to the limit as it is.

It is all confusing that's for sure, we fumble along praying we are on the right track.

[This message has been edited by DiffyQue (edited 14 December 2004).]