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I am sure this has been answered before but I am having trouble finding where....
I was wondering what each of the little spirochetes eat. Is it simple sugars in the blood?
And what about the L forms or cyct forms or the third one that I can't remember? What do *they* eat? Do they eat at all? Do they eat anything different?
If spirochetes eat simple sugars (a very wild guess on my part)...could that be why our blood sugars get all screwed up with the insulin resistance, etc?
Just curious about what they eat and how limited their diet is.
If anyone could help that would be great. It would help me fantasize better about starving the little creepers.
Thanks,
Alison
P.S. If you could also frame your answers to not just say, for example, "they eat sphonkotylobreekopeeniothine" but say what type of chemical the sphonkotylobreekopeeniothine is...that would be fabulous...for the chemistry challeneged such as myself
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Spirochetes are common in a wide range of aqueous environments: both marine and freshwater, high and low salt, and low to high temperatures. In general, free-living spirochetes tend to be found in environments rich in decaying plant material, where they probably ferment sugars released by the action of other microbes.
Spirochetes have a limited metabolism and can only ferment a few types of organic molecules. They ferment carbohydrates to acetate, ethanol, CO2, and H2 as major end products. All spirochetes so far examined use the Embden-Meyerhoff-Parnas pathway to take glucose to pyruvate. Under anaerobic conditions this is converted to acetate and ethanol using common fermentative pathways. Interestingly, the facultative anaerobes in the group use both oxidative phosphorylation and substrate level phosphorylation in the presence of air and seem to be dependent on at least some fermentation. The TCA cycle has not been detected in these microbes, and it is unclear how they get their ATP by oxidative phosphorylation.
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One interesting fact is that the bb spirochete depletes the body of magnesium while the syphilis spirochete, a close relative of bb, depletes the body of iron.
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IMO, any darn thing they feel like eating. lol I'm sorry, I couldn't resist. I don't know the serious answer, but I'm looking forward to everyone's answers. I'm sure Marnie will say they love magnesium.
Take care, Pam
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Bb is an obligate parasite. It has very little in the way of synthetic machinery. The short answer, then, is it eats YOU, whatever your body provides it. While the metabolism of Bb is still relatively poorly understood, a couple of aspects are well known. It loves glucose {ie sugar} and it also enjoys munching a compound called NAG {N-AcetylGlucosamine, a very common compound found in human tissue especially connective tissue. If I remember correctly, Bb cannot survive without NAG or glucose {or a glucose source}. Unfortunately, neither can you, so you really can't kill off Bb by not eating sugar or somehow avoiding NAG synthesis within your own body. Some claim that eating a low sugar diet can alleviate Bb symptoms, and I've personally found that to be true, although I'm not sure it's directly related to Bb metabolism.
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I guess my evil spirochete starvation plan will have to be jettisoned. Darn.
Alison
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spirochetes derive their primary energy from anaerobic glucose metabolism, rest aminoacids and fats they have to scavange from the host...
Thats why we have stay away from sugars
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quote:Originally posted by wrotek: spirochetes derive their primary energy from anaerobic glucose metabolism, rest aminoacids and fats they have to scavange from the host...
Thats why we have stay away from sugars
Plus when on abx's sugars become a problem because the normal gut flora are destroyed and yeast takes off because of a abundance of food that would have been used by the normal gut flora which are now severly reduced or dead. Another reason for lowering sugar intake.
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In Nov 03 I did a seven day cleanse. Nothing by mouth but these supplements every 90 mintues and water. On day two I went into the worse HERX of my 5 yrs battle. Every organ and body part in me started to detox and it was a horrendous day.
Day 3 was much improved, but still major major detoxing going on. During this 7 day cleanse I had 5 colonic done on me.
Colonics is a gentle cleansing of the colon with body temp water and then the water is flushed back out of you. This is to hydrate the colon and to remove old crap from the colon. During those colonics my body/colon/gall bladder released a black rope of toxin build up that had been in me for no telling how many years.
I was one cleaned out woman after this. Felt good for a few weeks and then the lyme cycle started over again. It was totally worth it. I believe it removed a ton of toxins and killed spiroketes and lowered my bacteria load.
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My LLMD says they feed on magnesium and other things so he took me off all the suppements I was taking. Seems a little strange to me, that not taking supplements for something that you are already low on would make you feel better. That may explain why I feel like CRAP!
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If we feel the glucose pathway is the answer, then how does yeast which definitely follows this pathway figure in to the equation?
In other words, if we hold back on sugars...is it the yeast or the spirochete responding? Yeast or candida infection soars when we are fighting an infection such as lyme, so much so that it should be considered a co-infection of itself.
I can't prove this, but I read somewhere that cholesterol could be a food for spiros.
I actually did a week long fast as well and felt great. But when I went to do it again, it didn't help at all.
I also had a series of colonics and that really really helped, I totally agree.
Now I remember reading that when Lyme is "activated" from its dormant state by a traumatic event, it begins to devour pre-formed sterols in the brain. I *think* this is where people can get the MS lesions...as they chow down on the myelin sheath.
I am also fascinated by the different schools of thought: i.e. don't take any supplements so they have no food vs. take the supplements so hopefully they wont eat tham all and you can benefit.
Thanks agaon for all your answers!
Alison
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