I thought I would put something out here that might be interesting to all. A couple of weeks ago my LLMD suggested we get my teeth scaned by a holistic dentist, just to make sure I did not have any pocket under the teeth where the bugs could be hanging out. This ultrasound scaner was connected to a bio-feed computer. Teeth are fine, BUT they aslo tested for reactivity against the immune system for lyme and all the co-infections. Well, on a 1 to 10 scale, 1 being low, my infections were all in the 6, 7 and 8 range. The kicker is that my last test run for the co-infections was neg. We all know that blood test measure antibodies that the immune system is creating. They have gone stelth. But I think the bio-feed results are very interesting in that it offers another way to see what is hitting the immune system. My LLMD is working with me and the dentist to see how we can use this feedback to see what the body needs to hit each of the infections in a more dynamic way. I thought I would just put this out there to see if anyone else has come accros this.
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It could be that they were using a QXCI/SCIO biofeedback device. I know that it has a panel to do lots of dental stuff, including the scan that you mentioned. Very cool!
I'm a certified biofeedback technician and did a bunch of training on that machine, although I haven't yet gotten a chance to work with the dental panel. But I am constantly amazed at what the machine picks up on. It picked up on my lyme too.
Was the machine just used for diagnostic or did they also use it to run therapies?
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This one was a the big one, it can run almost anything it seems. We are gong to run a bunch of different therapies to see which would be the best right now. We also are gong to test everything that I have been taking to see what is really doing anything. The think that also excites me is that we are testing which ABX will kill off the bugs the best
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Can you provide specifics on what device they are using? Was it the CoRe system? Thanks
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John, If you have co-infections, that may explain why you've been so sick. Having co-infections seems to make people worse.
Hey, will you be well enough to pop in for the Lyme Chat?
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I will find out the specs on the machine next week and let you all know - They are going to do a full rundown on me with all the possible responces for the best treatments - I will let you know what they find.
quote:Originally posted by SForsgren: Can you provide specifics on what device they are using? Was it the CoRe system? Thanks
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Kicking this up. Basically, what's being stated here is that lyme, babs, bart, etc. can be diagnosed on a bio-feedback machine ?
Where's our bio experts ? Can anyone elaborate on this ? Anyone besides John have experience with this ?
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It definitely can be diagnosed with biofeedback / EDS / Vega / Voll, etc. devices. That is how I was diagnosed after eight years and 45 doctors and then sent back to the MD to run the tests from the biofeedback testing device and they were all amazed.... So yes, it happens and in fact, more specifically than blood tests. In other words, you can test energetically for strains of borrelia, ehrlichia, babesia, etc. that they don't even run/have tests for.... It is a very exciting field.
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where can you have this test done? Im not familar. thanks
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Many BioSet practitioners can do it but you'd have to call to be sure. Look at the Bioset site and they have some practitioners listed. I have found them to be hit and miss but the one I got is incredible. Some Bioset links including Dr. Ellen Cutler's site (she started it) are at:
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I thought biofeedback was used to help you learn how to destress. Am I wrong about that?
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update for everyone. I had a full deep run down on all my body systems against all of the infections. It was stagering the information that came out of this. For me right now the biggest issues is to get the detox mechanism working, liver, lymph, intestional colan. Maro intestional cleanse, some buch of hurb and a charcol like substance that would such out all the built up poision. They my liver will be able to dump out what is not flowing out. Lymph drainage support was also big
They found about 5 other infections besides what we see with lyme. We also were able to see which abx would be the most effective for me. We found that in my case the liver was getting hit directly by the infections but that abx stress was not that bad. We also tested every suppliment that I was using, we tossed out those that really are not doing that much. The list went on and on. amazing is all I can say.
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I whish I could believe this,I really do.My life could be so much better off.
If this is so accurate why aren't most of the LLD's using it?.I have a hard time believing a machine could tell you how many co-infections you have,what are the right abx to use and what are the right suppluments to use.Actually I have an easier time believing the last.
I am not poo pooing your finding at all it just I wish there was more scientific research on this one.
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John,
You were going to get the name of the device. Is it IQS, QXCI, Core?
Thanks
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The tech who uses this machine has been doing this for a long time and he has refined his protocal. Remember any tool is only as good as the one using it. A simple example - I was on amox for about 6 weeks, and really questioned if it was actually doing anything. I was back slidding. through the testing, it did not get a high response as an effective abx. inuitively I had already thought this.
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How do I find a biofeedback technician?
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I can only speak for the biofeedback machine I'm familiar with, which is the QXCI.
Basically what it does is scan your entire body and see what you react to. But it's tricky - by "react" that can mean just about anything, and not neccesarily that you are infected with what it says. Sometimes "react" just means exposure. It is an incrediblyt sensitive machine.
So whoever said that the machines are only as good as the people who use them is right. It takes a lot of practice and discernment to be able to differentiate.
For example, when I scanned myself, I came up as reacting to many pathogens including Anthrax, swine flu, and Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, and others. Obviously I am not infected with anthrax. So it's tricky.
But...it did come up very reactive with 3 different types of lyme so that was where I got the feeling that I may want to pursue getting diagnosed.
But also, you can get different readings on different days. Even from minute to minute. So I think of the QXCI as an adjunct to testing and clinical exams, etc. Also, QXCI sessions are expensive, and in my mind the practitioner would need several hours/sessions to develop a good picture of what's going on with any sort of specificity.
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I agree with Alison 100%. I have used similar devices and have found the information to be highly valuable.
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Allison als make some good points. My first session was 3 hours and ly 2nd was 2 hours. They were two weeks apart. The 2 session was a confermation of what we found the first time and then a dive deeper. This tech crossed over multiple systems many times to really get a clear picture. He was very good in the way he has learned to refine his process of looking at all the readings. But it was sure funny on some of this testing- it was like a no brainer at times with how the signal were off scale in regards to checking of the infestions were hitting organ systems. For me 95% of my issues are infections, the nest was toxins not leaving the body, next was yeast fungus, 60% was heavy metal issues.
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Can anyone tell me how you found your biofeedback technician?
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You might try looking at holistic dentists - Find out if they are using the "Cavitat ultrasonograph" And then ask about the tech who is using it.
quote:Originally posted by luvs2ride: Can anyone tell me how you found your biofeedback technician?
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Thanks, johnlyme1
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