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They wish all those sick people would just go away and stop bothering them.
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AZURE WISH
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The way I read it long term treatment is a big whopping 90 days.
Doesnt mention anything about considering co infections either.
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Yeah, lou, medicine would be great if there weren't so many patients.
The 2001 study reported in the New England Journal of Medicine has been refuted by ILADS HERE .
In the 2001 study, Klempner et al found some patients with neuroborreliosis who had been treated with one month of IV ceftriaxone, but did not improve. These weren't recent cases, but people with a history of the disease. They gave them a month of IV ceftriaxone (2gm/day), followed by 2 months of oral doxycycline (200 mg/day) to see what would happen.
So let's see... patients who didn't get well the first time on that regimen were later given a second dose of the SAME regimen! And 200 mg. of oral doxy isn't enough for a brand-new infection, let alone a neurocognitive one. AND the patients' results were counted even if they missed some of their doses of doxy (75% compliance rate counted).
So what they did was give those patients not enough antibiotic, for not enough time. And what a surprise -- they didn't get better!
(The SUNY/Stonybrook study was similar. The patients actually reported improved fatigue, but no cognitive improvement. In other words, they started to get better....)
The logical conclusion to the 2001 study should be, "The patients that passed our screening methods for neuroLyme who did not respond to one month of IV ceftriaxone in the past, did not respond later to a month of IV plus 2 months of low-dose doxycycline any better than similar patients on placebo."
Instead, they have been trying to say that ALL neurolymies do NOT respond well to ANY courses of long-term antibiotics. Can you see how poor the logic is???
So if your ID duck pulls this one on you, just refer him to the ILADS paper on it.
Regards, Shaz
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Neil M Martin wrote: >> Isn't this ACS's 2000 "evidence baised" study?
Neil, at first glance, I read this as "evidence biased" study...
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I guess they think placebos work as well as abx because neither one seems to get you well!
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At Hope to Heal Lyme, Dr. B mentioned that Brian Fallon recently did a study that showed that placebo did not impact Lyme treatment. I have also heard from other sources that Fallon's study will be published soon.
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I've heard that Dr. F's study will be published early to mid summer.
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for a comprehensive, exhaustively detailed address to such studies, and authors, please see http://www.actionlyme.org see left and right hand columns
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the authors' colleagues read this, and conclude that the study's desgin, implementation, and authors' conclusions are analogous to a toddler trying to convince them that the 'shale' on it's hand is really chocolate!
if you think this is an exaggeration, ask someone in whom you can confide, and from whom you can get a candid evaluation of this study. just don't reveal this person's identity.
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Seems to me that these studies prove what the LLMDs have been saying all along, that the treatment for lyme takes as many months of abx as necessary. We should take the opportunity to thank they in public every chance we get and not allow the thought that "no treatment" is effective. Have they not proved the "null hypothesis"???
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It's not just Lyme- Try talking to the researchers on CO2 emmissions.
Thay guy from Texas, who's currently the King of the USA has appointed politicians to oversee and edit alot of the research publications (and grant distributions) - and who knows which ones they have their felt-tips on and which ones they don't.
It's just a sad state of affairs we're in where information is twisted just enough so as not to be considered untrue- but it's far from the truth-
Yah- I agree it's evidenced BIASED research/reporting.
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