LymeNet Home LymeNet Home Page LymeNet Flash Discussion LymeNet Support Group Database LymeNet Literature Library LymeNet Legal Resources LymeNet Medical & Scientific Abstract Database LymeNet Newsletter Home Page LymeNet Recommended Books LymeNet Tick Pictures Search The LymeNet Site LymeNet Links LymeNet Frequently Asked Questions About The Lyme Disease Network LymeNet Menu

LymeNet on Facebook

LymeNet on Twitter




The Lyme Disease Network receives a commission from Amazon.com for each purchase originating from this site.

When purchasing from Amazon.com, please
click here first.

Thank you.

LymeNet Flash Discussion
Dedicated to the Bachmann Family

LymeNet needs your help:
LymeNet 2020 fund drive


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations.

LymeNet Flash Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
my profile | directory login | register | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» LymeNet Flash » Questions and Discussion » Medical Questions » Spirochetes shaking like dogs and then dying

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: Spirochetes shaking like dogs and then dying
WakeUp
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 9977

Icon 1 posted      Profile for WakeUp     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
This 1911 article by Balfour describes how spirochetes look when they are dying from a dose of Salvorsan. I like the part about the spirochetes running from the bloodstream to the liver, then shaking like dogs in violent contortions, and then becoming limp and lifeless!! Oh-- well, I confess to spirochete death lust!!

quote:
If a well-infected chick be given a dose of salvarsan, the peripheral blood is soon cleared, or nearly cleared of spirochaetes.

If then a drop of liver juice be examined by the dark-field method, it will be found swarming with spirochaetes and with highly refractile granules. The source of the latter is soon apparent, for attention will be directed to spirochaetes which are not moving in the usual way, but are in a state of violent contortion, or are, so to speak, shaking themselves to and fro.

Indeed, I cannot give a more apt comparison than by likening their movements to those of dogs which have been in water and are shaking themselves vigorously to dry their coats. The object of the spirochaetes, however, is to rid themselves of the bright spherical granules which can be seen within them and which may or may not be aggregations of the so-called chromatin core.

They are forced along the periplastic sheath and suddenly discharged , so that they become free in the medium and dance hither and thither as tiny, solid, spherical, brilliant white particles.

In process of time the spirochaete loses its activity, becomes difficult to see, and eventually all that is left of it is the limp and lifeless sheath drifting aimlessly in the fluid and liable to be caught up and swept away by some still vigorous parasite.
Such a sheath may still retain one or two of the granules which it has been unable to discharge. As may be imagined, the process is most fascinating to watch, and my observations have been confirmed by Captain Fry and Mr. Buchanan, of these laboratories and Captain
O'Farrell, R.A.M.C. I may also say that the first-named had previously seen a shedding off of granules by trypanosomes in the peripheral blood of experimental animals, a phenomenon which he is now studying.

>b>It is these spirochaete granules in the liver, spleen and lung, and possibly also in other internal organs, which I believe, invade the red cells.

I think I have seen the penetration occur, but require to make futher observations in order to be certain as to the mode of entry.

Such a chain of events fully explains all the puzzling features which this intracorpuscular infection has hitherto presented, and moreover, brings it into line with the infective granules found in the ticks, for these very closely resemble those seen in liver-juice films both when examined by dark-field method and when stained by the Levaditi process.

the links is http://www.lymeinfo.net/medical/LDCysts.pdf
Posts: 696 | From New York | Registered: Aug 2006  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Greatcod
Unregistered


Icon 1 posted            Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
"If a well-infected chick"

Lots of well infected chicks around here.

IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Rianna
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 11038

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Rianna     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
So is Salvarsen (arsphenamine) still used? does anyone use this for Lyme?
Posts: 1172 | From UK | Registered: Jan 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
WakeUp
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 9977

Icon 1 posted      Profile for WakeUp     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Yeah, greatcod--

[Big Grin]

Lord Balfour forgot to mention that Salvorsan treated chicks go through a Britney Spears phase like this [dizzy] before they die....

Posts: 696 | From New York | Registered: Aug 2006  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Parisa
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 10526

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Parisa     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Arsphenamine
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search

The structure of arsphenamine was believed to be A until 2005, when new research suggested the true structure was in fact a mixture of the trimer B and the pentamer CArsphenamine is a drug that was used to treat syphilis and trypanosomiasis. It was the first modern chemotherapeutic agent. Sahachiro Hata discovered the anti-syphilitic activity of this compound in 1908 in the laboratory of Paul Ehrlich, during a survey of hundreds of newly-synthesized organic arsenical compounds. Ehrlich had theorized that by screening many compounds a drug could be discovered with anti-microbial activity. Ehrlich's team began their search for such a magic bullet among chemical derivatives of the dangerously-toxic drug atoxyl. This was the first organized team effort to optimize the biological activity of a lead compound through systematic chemical modifications, the basis for nearly all modern pharmaceutical research.

Arsphenamine was marketed under the trade name Salvarsan in 1910. It was also called 606, because it was the 606th compound synthesized for testing. Salvarsan was the first organic anti-syphillitic, and a great improvement over the inorganic mercury compounds that had been used previously. A more soluble (but slightly less effective) arsenical compound, Neosalvarsan, (neoarsphenamine), became available in 1912. These arsenical compounds came with considerable risk of side effects, and they were supplanted as treatments for syphilis in the 1940s by penicillin.

The bacterium that causes syphilis is a spirochete, Treponema pallidum. Arsphenamine is not toxic to spirochetes until it has been converted to an active form by the body, so the discovery of this drug could not have been made without Hata's animal testing. After leaving Erlich's laboratory, Hata continued parallel investigation of the new medicine in Japan.[1]

Posts: 984 | From San Diego | Registered: Nov 2006  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
marcholland81
Member
Member # 45458

Icon 1 posted      Profile for marcholland81     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Would really like to see this tested on borrelia.

"The introduction of ‘chemotherapy’ using arsphenamine – the first magic bullet"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2726818/

Posts: 30 | From Netherlands | Registered: Mar 2015  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
SacredHeart
LymeNet Contributor
Member # 44733

Icon 1 posted      Profile for SacredHeart     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Can a doctor still prescribe this stuff? I would be happy to try it.

--------------------
Lyme flare June, July, August of 2013. Diagnosed September 2014 Lyme, Bartonella, Mycoplasma, Mono

Posts: 595 | From Texas Crossroads | Registered: Oct 2014  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Keebler
Honored Contributor (25K+ posts)
Member # 12673

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Keebler     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
-
Salvarsan is arsenic-based. I would never want to try it. Likely, though, it's not an option.

Then toxicity of both arsenic and the companion for treatment, bismuth, became just too tricky to manage & downright dangerous.

Penicillin worked far better & safer for syphilis and - current day - it can be helpful for lyme, yet still not enough alone.

Syphilis is also much easier to treat than lyme, and much shorter treatment, too. The genetic makeup for syphilis is so much less complex than that for lyme.

http://pubs.acs.org/cen/coverstory/83/8325/8325salvarsan.html

In 1910, Paul Ehrlich introduced the arsenic-based drug Salvarsan . . .

. . . As far as the treatment of syphilis was concerned, arsenicals remained the mainstay of treatment of syphilis, later in combination with bismuth, until penicillin became widely available after World War II.

Penicillin then rapidly became accepted as the treatment of choice, although penicillin treatment schedules for syphilis were not standardized until 1960.
-

[ 06-30-2015, 08:30 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]

Posts: 48021 | From Tree House | Registered: Jul 2007  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Rhiagel
Member
Member # 21880

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Rhiagel     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Here's a short, interesting clip on salvarsan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSDCMhxw-zw

Here's another short clip of the 2nd "magic bullet" - Prontosil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXyjg8m46qI

It would be interesting to see if either of these 2 old drugs would have any effect on borrelia.

Posts: 37 | From Florida | Registered: Aug 2009  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

Quick Reply
Message:

HTML is not enabled.
UBB Code� is enabled.

Instant Graemlins
   


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | LymeNet home page | Privacy Statement

Powered by UBB.classic™ 6.7.3


The Lyme Disease Network is a non-profit organization funded by individual donations. If you would like to support the Network and the LymeNet system of Web services, please send your donations to:

The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey
907 Pebble Creek Court, Pennington, NJ 08534 USA


| Flash Discussion | Support Groups | On-Line Library
Legal Resources | Medical Abstracts | Newsletter | Books
Pictures | Site Search | Links | Help/Questions
About LymeNet | Contact Us

© 1993-2020 The Lyme Disease Network of New Jersey, Inc.
All Rights Reserved.
Use of the LymeNet Site is subject to Terms and Conditions.