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Has anyone experienced any success or improvement using the herb treatments form Stephen Harrod Buhner's book Healing Lyme?
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Hi -- there are sites where people discuss the herbal treatment. [email protected] is one of them. Buhner also has a PlanetThrive site.
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Yes, definitely. They make my life possible. I could hold a job almost, thanks to those herbs. My quality of life on antibiotics alone wasn't great ; I couldn't work many hours and often had to nap. Buhner herbs, added to antibiotics, make my life pretty normal.
And i'm not an adept or a true believer or a purist. I just added a few herbs to my antibiotics, specifically Andrographis 1600 mg (4 pills), 4 times/day, Polygonum 2000 mg (4 pills), and Teasel drops once or twice a day. Allimax also helps a great deal; Buhner's book came out before Allimax arrived.
Buhner uses a lot of herbs, especially for detox, which i don't use because i don't have serious, bad herxes.
If you look on the above-named forum, you'll find people who take all Buhner herbs and no antibiotics.
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I have been doing his core herbs for 2 weeks at high doses so far along wit doxy. I can't form much of an opinion yet since he recommends high doses for 8-12 months. But I'd also be very interested if any long timers here could post their experiences. -Despin
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Pamoisondelune, I am not invalidating your experience in my following commentary- I am very glad they have worked for you and I believe you.
Locally I don't know people who have had success with Buhner herbal protocols, but Cowden protocol does seem to have some benefit for people!!! I wonder if this is because of regional variation in bugs or something else! but locally I don't know anyone with success from Buhner- while Cowden there are definitely people who, no great successes, but definitely some action for betterness which is pleasing to people-
So that's my experience locally- can't think of a single person who has done well on Buhner!!!
Glad you are doing well though Pam!!! very glad- there are regional variations in response to treatment- Doc J talks about it- Sincerely,
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I disagree - I know people that have had positive results with the Buhner herbal protocols.
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Robynn has a list on yahoo: Lyme-Aid-Buhner if you want to join.
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There are tons of us out here who have had excellent results on Stephen's protocols. Especially the extended protocols.
I take NO abx for Lyme. I did in the beginning, but it just ruined my stomach. Herbs don't do that to me.
Also, I take Red Root tincture, Sarsaparilla, and Milk Thistle to keep my liver and the rest of the Lymph system cleansed. THAT is super important. You will feel a lot better IF you do.
Do a search on here for herbs, there is a lot of stuff on it.
quote:Originally posted by CaliforniaLyme: Pamoisondelune, I am not invalidating your experience in my following commentary- I am very glad they have worked for you and I believe you.
Locally I don't know people who have had success with Buhner herbal protocols, but Cowden protocol does seem to have some benefit for people!!! I wonder if this is because of regional variation in bugs or something else! but locally I don't know anyone with success from Buhner- while Cowden there are definitely people who, no great successes, but definitely some action for betterness which is pleasing to people-
So that's my experience locally- can't think of a single person who has done well on Buhner!!!
Glad you are doing well though Pam!!! very glad- there are regional variations in response to treatment- Doc J talks about it- Sincerely,
Sarah: I have been in contact with MANY people from California who have done well ON Stephen H. Buhner's protocols.
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I seemed to be improving on the Buhner herbs core protocol, then have had two episodes of going unconscious for over 45 minutes, both requiring hospitalization, about three months apart. This MAY have been an adverse reaction to andrographis.
I did the babesia handling before this--about 30 days on artemisinin, then one 3-day high dose artemisinin (per Dr. K), then 15 days cryptolepsis. My blood test came back with a low 1:32 babesia titer, although there was no babesia in the blood slide sample.
I'm back on antibiotics.
Best,
Cass A
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Andro is a strong herb, not everyone can take it. Similar to what happens to anything else, herbs, drugs or supplements.
I improved a lot with Buhner's herbs, but used more than core protocol too. Core protocol works well for borrelia, in my opinion. We need other help for coinfections though, which is crucial to healing.
I'm using stephania and eleutherococcus lately, plus whole cats claw only for maintenance as I think I may be in remission. Only time will tell though.
I did Buhner for killing, dr. K's cleansing protocols, homeopathy for support, the KMT, dental work, other Chinese herbs for killing coinfections, I think all of them contributed to my improvement.
Some people on the B's forum got good improvement too with his herbs.
Selma
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Resveratrol worked well for me and continues to be a favorite. But I do use many other things as well including homeopathy, sauna, foot detox baths, etc. Having a detox regimen in place is so important.
Claire
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Claire, I had an initial problem with the recommended brand of Resveratrol, then shifted to whole herb decoctions. So I didn't use the Japanese knotweed for too long, but when my body finally could accept it, it was also a very useful herb.
Buhner says now that Japanese Knotweed is the herb number one in his core protocol, more users reporting good results with it than with others.
I was initially allergic both to fillers and to the herb itself. Probably was mostly intollerance to the herb? I worked up with doses very slowly and then could take it in larger amounts. Amazing results in my brain !!
I'm not taking it now as I shifted to Stephania for a while.
I would also have taken more of the Cowden herbs if I had more budget!! I was only on Samento, and was not so impressed, but Samento worked well to my daughter. My body reacted better to whole cats claw as proposed by Buhner.
I guess both approaches are not 'either/ or', in my view. Buhner lacks some cleansers, I feel, but the herbs he proposes can work well for different people. Same as with everything else...
Selma
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Selma -- I am glad to hear that you were able to adjust to the resveratrol and that it worked for you. My mind feels a lot clearer, too.
I agree that the regimen we decide to choose does not have to be an either/or situation.
I purchased some gervao recently, but can't fit it in to my remedy schedule yet. Maybe in a few more weeks.
Claire
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I am using the core protocol with rifing, and it is showing good results.
Has anyone tried Tincture of Colchicum (autumn crocus)for Ehrlichia? And where did you get it? He says it is very effective. I noticed a place in Canada selling it, but need a prescription.
Thanks, Ernie
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Hey Claire, nice to see you bought Gervao! If I remember well, it's an easy herb to take (you dont' have to be separating it much from others).
Just let me know what you feel! I did some tea of it for hubby about a year ago or so, it didn't taste too bad if I remember well.
I just re-read about gervao, it seems it has documented anti-inflamatory properties.
Just let me know if you feel something (positive or negative!) about gervao!
Selma
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Ernie, sorry, I don't know anybody who used it.
Both me and daughter had erhlichia though, we used other herbs, core protocol, bee products and it was gone. Our ehrlichia was not too bad, though, it was not an infection causing lots of troubles like bart, babesia, borrelia...
Let us know if you try it! Selma
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Gardenlymer posted this story in another thread about Buhner (if one is doing alone or with guidance). I'm copy-pasting it here as it's a reasonable good success story! --------------------
Well, I am going it alone. Not really by choice - husband's layed off; always relapsed from abx/ maleria meds; LLMD's 8 hrs away; etc, etc.
That said, I have ingested ALOT of RX's over 8 yrs, and have knocked load down considerably prior to going Buhner's route.
I have read the book, re-read the book, highlighted the book, and still refer to it almost daily.
Like Bejoy- I research everything before taking it & I go SLOW. I don't have a kinesiology dr so I rely on my own intuition, and am very in tune to my body.
I am doing VERY WELL. My stomach has never been better. Things that I never really associated with lyme are improving: heels of feet that have been cracked & dry regardless of how much ointment & use of pumice stone, are now new like a baby's. A bonus, hehehe!
My feet are warm almost always - ice cold before - even in summer.
No more twitches...I always took (1) 500mcg B-12 and never noticed a difference in twitching - upped it to 2, (every now and then 3) twitching all gone.
Body temp is closer to normal -1 day I was even exactly 98.6* (1st few weeks I ran a fever)
My 2 yrs of lower back pain upon waking in the morning - gone.
Constant chills - gone
Urine is clearer & and I don't need to pee every 15 mins anymore for some reason. It's yellow, not tea colored & I haven't even started the cryptolepsis for the babs yet.
My energy level is better than it was 15 yrs ago - I'm amazed. I've been to all my daughter's cross country meets this season - even the one's 3hr's away. Last yr, I couldn't go if it was more than 30 mins away.
My mood is good - but better yet - it's steady; no more up's and down's. When I overdo I just get tired, I don't crash & burn.
My legs ache sometimes - not ALL the time.
My face is clearer - boils are down about 75%.
The whites of my eye's are white. No yellow tint, no longer red like I just left happy hour.
I am still not a great sleeper - but I manage to get more than 2 hrs in a row. Most night's now I get about 5 hrs- all in a row - no waking up to pee...or waking up cuz my hand &/or arm was numb...or waking cuz my legs ached/twitched; and here's the best - I DREAM NOW!!! I forgot how NICE it is to dream!
I still don't have much hunger, but I force myself to eat relatively well.
Oh, and thru some research I've gotten off both plavix & crestor by replacing w/ other herbs like Gota Kola, Fish Oil, etc.
Now, I do realize that I will have to have some bloodwork done by a Dr or LLMD soon just to monitor - but thus far I'm confidant thru how I feel that I'm OK for now. I did a home choles. test last week, and it is up some from where it was on crestor - but I'm going to work on some liver detox before bloodwork just to see if the problem may be there.
I have not ramped up to full dose, nor added everything I intend to - because I'm going very slow to be safe. That way seemed to make me feel better about going it alone. I had to look at it this way - with my LLMD 8 hrs away - I was kinda going it alone when I was on RX!
Other than Buhner's herbs I am also doing whole approach yeast protacol; starting about a week ago I added in the Health Marvels detox footpads; Have had about 6 accupuncture TX in as many weeks, and I make sure I break a good sweat everyday, either outside in the heat, or in the epsom salt bath.
I really don't think I've gone that far into the protacol, still have many things to add and am not fully ramped up and I'm amazed at how quickly things have turned around.
Right now, I'm up to: (2) Source Naturals Resveratrol X 3 perday; (1) Andrographis X 3 perday (1) GotaKola X 2 perday (1) Sib.Ginsing X 2 perday (1) Evening Primrose (1) ea Selenium, Zinc w/copper & 400IU Vit E (1) Glocosamine X 3perday (1) SolarRay CircuLegs X 2 perday (1 or 2)Whole Approach Yeast Drink & 2 Probioplus DDS Plus Vitamins: (1) Multi (1) B-6 100MCG (2) B-12 500MCG (1) B-Complex (2) Mag 100mg (1) Fish Oil 1200 (2) Ester-C 500MG (1 or 2) Sarsparilla 450mg. Plus: detox footpads at night,and a nightly prayer asking to be surrounded w/ God's healing light...for some reason I also ask this when I add something new.
Still to add: CoQ10, BioSil, ALA or NAC, Pregnenolone, MSM, Pinella & Cryptolepsis.
So for doing it since Aug 10, and going slow both in ramping & adding new, I feel good both about how it's going & going it alone!
Actually, I think I now enjoy being in control of what I feel I need & how much my body can handle at a time. It is somehow enpowering to finally feel like I've got this thing by the tail
Hope this helps you to decide if it's a right move for you!
(((hug)))
PS - I have noticed that the herxes are milder than w/RX, but yet exactly the same in nature as one's I've experienced in the past - I view this as a good litness test for if the herbs are working.
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