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knshore
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Does anyone have experience with their therapists not believing that neuro Lyme exists?

I was telling my therapist the reason I haven't been doing school work is because the neuro symptoms. They have gotten worse because I'm herxing on flagyl and just started Rocephin. [Eek!]

She was telling me that I can seem to remember so much about Lyme, but nothing about school. She thinks I need to "push through."

If any of you knew me pre-Lyme diagnosis, you would know I am the kind of person who pushes TOO hard, so what she said ****ed me off!

I guess the reason this is in Medical is...can someone maybe help me figure out a way to explain this to her. I am not looking to change therapists right now because I can't take more change. There is too much going on, don't have the time to "catch up" a new therapist.

Thanks!

P.S. I asked her if she would watch Under Our Skin if I brought it to her, and she said yes. I'm worried she's going to take sides with the few idiots in the Movie (IDSA and CDC people). Hmm...should I have her watch it? [confused]

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Personally, I think your therapist is wrong. If you just started rocephin and flagyl, there are very good reasons why school work may be more difficult!

And the reason many of us remember more about lyme than our work -- for our survival! I too have been a very motivated student of tick borne diseases and their treatment, since my illness, diagnosis, treatment and recovery. This is important stuff!

Good idea to have her watch Under Our Skin. I haven't seen it, but from what I heard about it, sounds like a good call.

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Having her watch Under Our Skin is a good idea.

I'd also ask her to consult with your LLMD so they can collaborate. He'll have the same comments for her that he had for your uncle. [Wink]

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You also might know a lot about lyme due to the amount of time spent researching, repetition of hearing the same message.

Also significant difference between short and long term memory.

Not all brain functions are created equal.

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You said...

"She was telling me that I can seem to remember so much about Lyme, but nothing about school."

You might want to mention Einstein was a pretty smart fellow in his world.. but he couldn't tie his own shoes.

Tell her the brain is made up of "files" and the ability to get into and out of a file is different for everyone.

With Lyme (infection in the brain) sometimes you can go directly to a file and share the contents... other times you can't.

Plus there is short-term and long-term memory and the ability to access either or both at any given time.

I know I could spit out Lyme as if it was right there in my face... but often couldn't remember what store I was shopping in or what town I was in.

Tell her there are different problems associtated with Lyme that she might want to read up about.

You have a right to be upset. It is very much like me telling someone I have trouble reading small print... and them just ignoring me and handing me the paper anyhow and saying.. "well, just read this".

They DON'T listen. Plain old simple.

You wouldn't believe how many times that happens, too.

You might want to have her read some of Fallon's work. That might help explain it.

Good luck!

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I can totally relate. You either have to give her a bunch of articles, books, websites (if she's even willing) to educate her or, it's time to "kick her to the curb" and find someoene whose more open-minded.

I had to "break-up" with my psychiatrist of 10 years because, he literally, laughed at my Lyme Diagnoses. It broke my heart. He helped me so much and I still, to this day, love him but I had to move on as he was old school and simply didn't "buy it."

My psychologist NOW admits to her ignorance but wants more and more info and even said to me in my last session, "I bet there are SO many mentally ill people and addicts who really have Lyme." She's getting it. She's even going to contact a former CFS patient and give her some websites I've provided. Now that's cool.

Think it over but it's totally counter-productive to have a therapist like that! Your self-esteem needs to be uplifted and your illness needs to be validated...not in a victim-sad-sack sense, but on a human level!

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Send these links to your therapist:

Some good websites if you're interested:
http://www.wildcondor.com
http://www.lymenet.org
http://www.wildernetwork.org

Interview With Daryl Hall on his plight with Lyme:
http://seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080612/LIFE/806120326/-1/ENTERTAIN

Amy Tan's (author of Joy Luck Club) Lyme Disease Story:
http://www.amytan.net/LymeDisease.aspx

Testimonial Video from Teen with Lyme:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em9OeiLkHUQ

and just send her the Trailer to "Under Our Skin"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sxWgS0XLVqw

Maybe she'll "get it" when you bring in Amy Tan and Daryl's names. They're well-respected celebrities fighting the cause.

Good Luck!

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I recommend printing out LDA's ABCs of Lyme Disease for Parents and Educators. It's available here:

http://www.lymediseaseassociation.org/ABCsLYME.pdf

It's very well put together. I had tremendous success turning around my dd's teacher who thought it was all in her head.

I'm sorry you have to go through this!

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I think you should be honest - her ignorance about Lyme upsets you. Tell her how it makes you feel. See how she responds.

If she doesn't not understand neuro lyme and can admit that and work through it with you, great, but how is she really able to help you if she doesn't get it?

I am only saying this b/c I stayed with therapists/psychiatrists years after I should have moved on...

I believe therpists etc can be great for a short while or even years, but then again, sometimes you have learned all you can from a person and it is time to move on, even though it's hard.

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I think having to "fight" with your therapist just to get her on base with you,

Is likely completely counter productive in major ways.

I know you don't want a new therapist and don't want more change right now, but unless she becomes more

With you, I'd really considering finding a better match.

Maybe as a longer term option for you.

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knshore
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Thank you for all your comments.

I am thinking about what to do. I think I am going to have her watch Under Our Skin and see what happens from there.

I am hoping it's just a lack of understanding. If not, I'll have to leave.

I totally agree with everyone who said it's counterproductive to be with someone who isn't even on my side.

Larkspur, I was TOTALLY honest with her about how much it upsets me that she's not willing to learn about Lyme...or care about how much it affects my life. [Frown]

It's helpful to hear your guys' experiences. It's encouraging. [Smile]

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This website has some good articles to share with your therapist.

http://www.mentalhealthandillness.com/lymeArticles.htm

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I'd find another therapist - or better yet, none at all - find a good friend instead.

Otherwise, you will find yourself spending your appointments trying to convince her that you are indeed sick (and not faking it to get attention, transquilizers, whatever), something that drains every last bit of energy out of you, and you are already compromised with Lyme.

Her comment indicates that she has already been poisoned with misinformation about Lyme and that she watches too much Dr. Phil, and unless she gets Lyme herself down the road here, even a video will not change her mind on the Lyme issue - nothing will ever erase her Freudian Dr. Phil mentality.

So my advice - hope she gets Lyme herself or ditch her.

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oooh - if you already told her how much she's upsetting you and she was pretty unresponsive than, unfortunately, signs point to moving on...

I know it sucks to start with someone new, but remember that phrase - when one door closes another door always opens

(unfortunately, the hallways are a b$%ch!)

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Two words:

Lose her.

[Wink]

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writings by virginia sherr might help. she's a lyme literate psychiatrist. here's one, but there are more:

http://ilads.org/sherr4.html

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I was going to suggest that instead of Under Our Skin, and less expensive, too, loan her a copy of Cure Unknown.

It talks a lot about different kids and how Lyme made school next to impossible for them. It also is full of facts that really explain why the LLMD's are the good guys and IDSA are the bad guys.

Good luck, whatever you decide to do.

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