lymie_in_md
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According to applied microbiology vanilla inhibits bacterial quorum sensing. The quorum sensing is necessary for pathogenic bacteria to form biofilm.
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BOB, the link is not working, I think... Or there was a problem in the website??
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Bob - you always find the good stuff! Could you please find something that says java chip is good for me Posts: 1129 | From Maine | Registered: Feb 2008
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I would love to eat ice cream. I really like mint chip and Cherry Garcia. I have not had a bowl since I was diagnosed.
Are you guys worried about the sugar feeding candida or keets or am I the only one with these fears? I would hate to watch everyone else here eating ice cream while I was stuck in a state of needless fear.
Vanilla goes nicely in yogurt drinks. Is the liquid vanilla without alcohol in it or the real bean more beneficial in a smoothie?
I could not open the link but if anyone does please let us know what the article says and if you are eating ice cream please eat a bowl for me.
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I am so dead against soy because I don't think it is good for you that I would think real ice cream would be healthier but then each to their own.
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I guess tinyurl doesn't work all the time. Here's the link :
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That link didn't work either. Can you just copy the whole article? Does it specifically say vanilla ice cream or just vanilla?
I think that the biofilms can be made of different things depending on the bugs involved. It may be more specific than one size filts all... I really have to read the info, though.
It would be a nice medicine! Tw scoops & call me in the morning LOL.
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Angelica
I definetely watch sugar. I avoid it...
but i do cheat sometimes with sugar free ice cream. lots of brands make it now. my fave is the breyers carb smart (they use splenda) ...
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It worked when I tested it earlier, oh well. Here's the essense of it.
quote:Lett Appl Microbiol. 2006 Jun ;42 (6):637-41 16706905 (P,S,E,B) Inhibition of bacterial quorum sensing by vanilla extract.
[My paper] J H Choo, Y Rukayadi, J-K Hwang Department of Biotechnology, Yonsei University, Seoul, Republic of Korea. Aims: The purpose of this study was to search for a novel quorum sensing inhibitor and analyse its inhibitory activity. Methods and Results: Quorum sensing inhibition was monitored using the Tn-5 mutant, Chromobacterium violaceum CV026. Vanilla beans (Vanilla planifolia Andrews) were extracted using 75% (v/v) aqueous methanol and added to C. violaceum CV026 cultures. Inhibitory activity was measured by quantifying violacein production using a spectrophotometer. The results have revealed that vanilla extract significantly reduced violacein production in a concentration-dependent manner, indicating inhibition of quorum sensing. Conclusions: Vanilla, a widely used spice and flavour, can inhibit bacterial quorum sensing. Significance and Impact of the Study: The results suggest that the intake of vanilla-containing food materials might promote human health by inhibiting quorum sensing and preventing bacterial pathogenesis. Further studies are required to isolate specific substances from vanilla extract acting as quorum sensing inhibitors.
A long story short, vanilla extract prevents bacterial colonies to form and create biofilm. So as far as the vanilla ice-cream, bon appetit.
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Strangely no mention of ice cream in that article.
Maybe James could look at some melting under a scope with some keets mixed in and see what happens.
I would rather soak my feet in ice cream then Simple Green.
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Bob,
Thanks for the text. I think it's my Mac. I get a "cookies error" - funny term. I have no idea what that means, other than tracking.
Vanilla, oddly, is one thing that has come up in my research as being helpful for decreasing seizures.
I knew a girl in high school who used it as her cologne.
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Vanilla extract seems to disrupt bacterial communication. So if you have that vanilla ice cream you might be disrupting the bacteria. Or basically anything with vanilla extract in it. There appears to be a great bit of research on it.
After being on lymenet for awhile, it really amazes me how substances affect how our bodies work.
So dip your spoons into bacterial confusing container of vanilla ice cream. immmm! now didn't that taste good?
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Vanilla in the treatment of seizures - and vertigo.
I know infection can lower the seizure threshold. If vanilla helps block infection somehow, that might be part of how it helps to curb seizure activity.
H�agen-Dazs Vanilla ice-cream (as it has no additives) is a recent remedy for canine seizures - just a couple of tablespoons, though - for dogs right after a seizure. Part of that is that low blood sugar can trigger seizures and afterwards, it's vital to get some sugar into to the brain.
Paramedics were the first to tell me this for my own care. They just said sugar/glucose - together with some oil - to help my brain.
I stumbled upon the vanilla connection while searching herbal treatments to help to reduce seizures. (With a note, that for those with lyme/TBD, seizures usually resolve when the infection(s) is cleared. In the meantime . . . .)
PINELLIA, ARISAEMA, ACORUS, and TYPHONIUM - by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D. - August 2000
EXCERPT:
Recent efforts by the Chinese to control epilepsy include: the use of VANILLIN (19), which is the taste component of vanilla beans,
but is also found in other herbs (mainly the Styrax trees, yielding styrax, benzoin, and liquidambar); the herb valerian combined with calcium and other agents (20); and the close relative of valerian, nardostachys (21) also used with other herbs.
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Citation:
19. Zhao Xiping, et al., Observations on the therapeutic effect of vanillin in the treatment of epilepsy, Chinese Journal of Neurology and Psychiatry, 1985; 18(3): 139-141.
Epilepsy Behav. 2006 Mar;8(2):376-83. Epub 2006 Feb 7.
Tian ma (Gastrodia), an ancient Chinese herb, offers new options for the treatment of epilepsy and other conditions.
Ojemann LM, Nelson WL, Shin DS, Rowe AO, Buchanan RA. Department of Neurological Surgery, Regional Epilepsy Center, University of Washington School of Medicine, Seattle, WA, USA.
Our purpose is to bring attention to the antiepileptic properties of the Chinese herb tian ma and its constituents, as well as to suggest the potential for the development of new antiepileptic drugs (AEDs) related to this herb.
All available literature regarding the chemistry, pharmacology, animal data, and clinical use of tian ma and its constituents are reviewed, showing that tian ma, its constituents, and its symbiotic fungus Armillaria mellea have antiepileptic properties in in vitro and in vivo models.
One clinical study reportedly demonstrated the AED effects of a component of tian ma, vanillin. Thus, tian ma, its constituent vanillin, and its symbiotic fungus armillaria hold promise as cost-effective and less toxic alternatives to standard AEDs.
In addition, similar chemical compounds may be developed as AEDs.
The effect of vanillin on the fully amygdala-kindled seizures in the rat
[Article in Chinese]
Wu HQ, Xie L, Jin XN, Ge Q, Jin H, Liu GQ.
The anticonvulsive action of vanillin, an antiepileptic agent structurally related to vanillyl alcohol isolated from Gastrodia elata Blume, on the fully amygdala-kindled seizures was investigated.
Fully kindled seizures were produced by repeated application of low intensity electrical stimulation to the basolateral amygdala once per day. . . .
The stage 5 seizures were suppressed by vanillin ip 1 h before stimulation with the ED50 of 286 mg/kg.
Meanwhile, the epileptic afterdischarge duration was significantly shortened.
Phenytoin at a nontoxic dose 50 mg/kg ip obviously reduced the stage 5 seizures. The present study provides a very useful experimental model of chronic epilepsy to detect anticonvulsants.
MODERNIZING CHINESE MEDICINE - THE CASE OF ARMILLARIA AS GASTRODIA SUBSTITUTE - by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D - December 2002
Excerpts:
Gastrodia (tianma) refers to the tuber of an orchid, Gastrodia elata.
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APPENDIX 3. Review of Clinical Applications for Gastrodia Tuber, _Armellaria Fermentation Liquid, and Armellaria Fungus Mycelium.
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2. Epilepsy: Gastrodia tuber preparation is commonly used to treat minor paroxysm (petit mal seizure) of epilepsy, and shows benefit for other types of epilepsy as well (e.g., grand mal seizure).
In Jiangsu province, there were seven hospitals that utilized VANILLIN in treating 291 cases of various types of epilepsy by employing a switch-over study method (patients severed as their own controls).
Among them, 184 cases were treated with the gastrodia preparation alone and 107 cases had already tried various anti-epilepsy drugs without adequate response, then added the gastrodia preparation to their drug regimen.
The results indicated that 142 cases had marked improvement by using gastrodia, and the total effective rate of the treatment including gastrodia was 74%.
Among 184 cases treated with the gastrodia preparation only, the effective rate of minor paroxysm of epilepsy was 86%, of which the markedly effective was 57%; the effective rate of grand mal seizure and other types of epilepsy was 75%, among which the markedly effective rate was 50%
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4. Vertigo. Gastrodia tuber is used for the treatment of vertigo caused by liver deficiency and liver wind. . . .
The effect of gastrodia tuber and Armellaria fungus on vertigo was thought to be due to their pharmacological actions of lowering blood pressure, tranquilizing, and dilating the cerebral vessels to improve cerebral blood flow. . . .
. . . . Full article at link.
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The neighbors dog must be reading lymenet. He told me he had vertigo this morning and he has volunteered to be treated daily with vanilla ice cream.
He mentioned he thought a waffle cone might boost the effectiveness of the vanilla.
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Alright Angelica, it is my distinct pleasure to give the venerable 3 salute for extraodinary humour in the face of lyme adversity. Again I salute you.
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Angelica,
Thanks for that nice laugh out loud !
Were I to ask all the dogs in my apt. complex, I'd bet that's what they'd say they've been trying to tell me all along.
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Today after his cone he suggested a long term study needs to be completed.
He claims he has a few friends he wants to sign up for the vanilla study. He also claims he is seeing a huge improvement of his vertigo symptoms with the vanilla ice cream. Could it be the placebo effect? He says it is too early to tell.
Tonight I plan to go over Dr. B's 2005 guidelines with him and the Lyme diet.
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He may be consoled if he can get into the almond milk and vanilla study instead.
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It's hard to say about how much vanilla you would need to take to stop or prevent QS (quorem sensing)...
That's funny about the dog... Anyone see the Son of Sam movie by Spike Lee? For some reason that popped into my head. I have a weird sense of humor....
That coconut ice cream sounds great. I haven't seen it here.
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Real vanilla extract is expensive. The little brown bottle labelled "Vanilla" that most people have in their kitchens doesn't really come from vanilla beans.
I HIGHLY doubt any "vanilla" ice creams out there have REAL vanilla extract in them, even the expensive ice creams. I could be wrong though.
Even if they say there are no artificial flavors, maybe there is a natural substitute that tastes like vanilla.
I have just seen in specialty cooking stores how much the "real deal" costs, and that is why I'm doubtful that even Hagen Daas uses real vanilla extract.
Just something people should be aware of.
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The neighbor's dog has been insisting on the real deal and homemade. Time consuming but if it helps his vertigo worth it.
Real Vanilla Bean Ice Cream
Recipe courtesy Emeril Lagasse, 2005
1 vanilla bean
2 cups whole milk
1 cup heavy cream
5 large eggs
1/2 cup sugar
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
With a small sharp knife cut the vanilla bean in half lengthwise. Place the milk and cream in a small, heavy saucepan.
Using the tip of the knife, scrape the seeds from the vanilla bean halves into the milk and add both halves to the saucepan.
Set the saucepan on the stovetop and bring to a simmer over medium heat. Remove from the heat.
Crack the eggs and whisk the eggs and sugar in a mixing bowl until pale yellow and well combined, about 2 minutes.
Using a ladle, add about 1/2 cup of the hot milk mixture to the eggs and whisk to combine.
Add the egg mixture to the hot milk in the saucepan and stir well with a wooden spoon.
Return the pan to medium heat and cook, stirring constantly, until the mixture is slightly thickened and coats the back of a spoon, about 5 minutes.
Remove the custard from the heat and strain through a fine mesh strainer into a clean mixing bowl, pressing down on the strainer with a rubber spatula to get as much liquid as possible into the bowl.
Discard the vanilla bean halves and any other solids sticking to the strainer.
Add the vanilla extract to the bowl.
Stir the custard for 5 minutes with a whisk until cooled slightly.
Cover the bowl with plastic wrap, pressing the wrap gently against the surface of the custard.
Refrigerate until thoroughly chilled, about 2 hours, stirring occasionally.
Pour the custard into the bowl of an ice-cream maker and process according to manufacturer's directions.
Serve immediately or transfer to an airtight plastic container and store in the freezer for up to 1 week.
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If Ben & Jerry's can come out with a Cherry Garcia flavor, they sure can develop a Vertigo Vanilla for us! And they're based in Vermont, where there's plenty of Lyme!!
I have treated myself to the occasional ice cream, including vanilla, and unfortunately still have dizziness and myoclonic movements. Obviously I'm not eating enough of it!!!
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Looks like I stand corrected, Canbravelyme!
But seriously, I doubt that that small amount of vanilla is enough when mixed into all that ice cream. I am still doubting this eat ice cream and dissolve biofilms thing.
You would probably be better making some sort of blackberry-vanilla topping to put on top of ice cream or angel cake.
Than you could actually pour something on the ice cream and you KNOW how much of the extract goes into what you eat.
I usually wash blackberries, and mix them in a bowl with some sugar, cover and let sit in refrigerator for 30 minutes or longer so the juices develop.
Than add this to a pot.....maybe throw in some sugar...heat it up....mix it, melt it, mash it. Then, add REAL vanilla extract (not the McCormick's) with some cinnamon. Let this all warm together and/or reduce down over medium heat.
Then you can pour it over ice cream or poundcake.
I haven't actually tried this as I described it....I made it last Christmas Eve and it turned out really well, but this is my vague recollection of it.
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I had some vanilla ice cream in Germany last night that tasted like nothing I've ever had
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Breyers, too, makes a point of saying they use real vanilla. I'm off ice cream for now, but I will add a little vanilla extract to my peach and yogurt smoothie this morning. I always make a point to buy real vanilla extract.
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I still would not trust it, I don't do dairy and dairy is loaded with milk sugars as well. You have to be careful as some said about the source of the vanilla. Even vanilla yogurt is loaded with sugar!
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I meant I use plain yogurt and a peach and sweeten with stevia. I don't trust pre-sweetened yogurts. They sometimes have hidden gluten. Should I give up yogurt completely? Maybe, but I'm not there yet.
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I put vanilla in many things. Over apple slices, even in steamed spinach with nutmeg, in whatever alternate "milk" I have on hand - and as others mentioned, plain yogurt.
Trader Joe's has a wonderful pure Tahitian vanilla extract as a good price. I replaced the top with a long dropper from an herbal extract and use it as a delicious medicine - it's cheaper than herbal tinctures.
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Hah!!! I knew there was a reason when I bought that double pack of 2 half gallons Vanilla Ice Cream from Sam's yesterday!
To be effective and to receive the most benefits I'm gonna double my serving size!
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Hay ALW leave some for the rest of us.
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Bob the dog has now ramped up to 16 waffle cones a day. He claims he needs that amount or he crashes into flower pots and planter boxes due to severe vertigo from Babesia and or Lyme disease.
Regarding the 16 waffle cones a day could that possibly be too many? I have noticed him crashing into flower pots early in the morning before he begins his daily vanilla ice cream intake. He weaves his way over to my house crashing into things. Once he has eaten his ice cream his vertigo symptoms seem to improve or at least until the following morning.
Should I be monitoring his cholesterol levels I am a bit concerned about all the fat he is eating?
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