Topic: Benicar vs Statins (cholesterol lowering) drugs
Marnie
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Skip to the * if you wish:
*Benicar* is an angiotensin II receptor antagonist.
It works by inhibiting the action of a chemical transmitter (angiotensin II) and allowing the
* blood vessels to dilate (widen)*
and the kidneys to
*eliminate extra sodium* and fluids.
Normally the amino acid, arginine increases nitric oxide to dilate our blood vessels.
We know that Bb uses Na for its Na-ATPase and NaCl for motility.
So logically, Benicar looks like it might help to destroy Bb (via eliminating Na and perhaps by increasing oxygen delivery when the vessels dilate), but
Benicar can raise OUR cholesterol level significantly.
Bb follows the ``cholesterol pathway'' to build its cell walls.
More specifically Bb follows the mevalonate (also called) isoprenoid pathway of cholesterol synthesis.
If that pathway is upregulated:
Low density lipoproteins (LDL, the "Lousy" cholesterol) and cholesterol tend to be *elevated* in patients with moderate disease due to an upregulated isoprenoid pathway.
Since Mg levels dive at the outset of lyme (Romanian abstract) and Mg is needed to INactivate an enzyme called HMG CoA reductase which puts the brakes on the cholesterol pathway...
A Mg deficiency could trigger elevated cholesterol levels.
OR
your cholesterol might be LOWER which maybe a body defensive move to make you more acidic in order to destroy pathogens.
If the bowel is not healthy, you might have a hard time ABSORBING the nutrients needed to make cholesterol and hence a lower cholesterol level.
The fact is WE need the amino acids in cholesterol as much as Bb does.
This pathogen is depleting many nutrients WE need.
The "statins" which DO lower cholesterol do not look to be capable of destroying Bb completely.
We still have to rid the CWD (cell wall deficient) forms before it can rebuild the cell walls.
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lymie tony z
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Hi Marnie,
I've rather realized that these pathogens are utilizing the nutrients we need as well for some time...I mean....
I'm not trying to be a wiseguy honest! But, it did'nt take me too long to realize that my metabolism was being interfered with due to the fatigue factors. and or the "UN-Recovery from excercise because I was always exercising...well at least on and off yearly....and in 96 ish I noticed I was'nt recovering as well....
Of course I do thank you for making what you posted easier for the novice to read and understand.
So, what should I do....ask my llmd in training for a colesterol lowering drug...other then a statin....
I can't do the statins....like lippetine or shoot...something that begins with a "C"...
I Think...Oh crapp not a "C" a "Z" zocor!
had to edit it! will I ever get my thinking back...I mean after all my age has to have a factor in here somewhere as well....duhhhhh!
LOL!
Anyway....
thanks again!
zman
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Marnie
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Can I go with my gut instinct?
Want just one idea to discuss with your doc?
I suspect lysine acetylsalicylate (LAS) might help.
You're welcome. If you and your doc decide to give it a try...post your results, okay?
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lymie tony z
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Thanks Marnie,
The tiny urls you gave me according to google seem to be broken!
When I started smoking over in Nam I stopped getting so anxious about everything and stopped having migraines.
When I was a child and hated smoking, even when my parents and siblings started I did'nt. Not until Nam anyway, when I was about 20.
Course I wish I had'nt, cuz now it's practically impossible for me to quit!
The patches got me to quit for about eight months and I should have been over my smoking addiction.
But not my nicotine addiction, or whatever else is in the dang things that keeps me from having anxiety migraines!
I guess.
Probably the same stuff that's in the migraine medication! Maybe I could kick the habit if I ask for a script of that stuff!....
Dang, now why have'nt I ever thought of that before?
Probably the side effects mentioned on the tube!
However, unfortunately one Christmas with my immediate family and I was ripping off the patch and looking for a butt!
I don't know which one of the 2000 crummy things are in cigarettes but something in them agrees with my system!
Could very well be what you suggest!
However, in 01 when I tried doing asprin instead of acetaminofin(tylenol),
while I was down here in a six month cycle of my lyme flares. I developed cellulitis!....
But...with many different rashes and stuff along with it.
Like a shingles rash around my pelvic girdle. Pain was through the roof!
The deep nerve pain is why I think it might have been a flareup of childhood chicken pox or measles,
because I got some, zoster herpes, outbreak, on temple region of my left temple area, as well.
Plus I became delirious due to high temperature!
Went to emergency and got iv and oral followups!
I was telling the VA in Cleve all along that I was getting sicker the farther I got from my last IV regimen in 99.
Of course though, no one would listen to me.
They just put crap in my medical files! Pain killer seeker, and "HEADS UP" notations for other VA doctors!
Who knows what else I was exposed to overthere!
defoliant wise anyway!
Is that the stuff they said back then, that was supposed to be killing off the MJ plants?
I remember some guys talking about the stuff!
Those that embibed! I was more of a juice freak!(alcohol)To escape the nightmares of war!
However, it seems I never lost them!
Especially my wives and other, in between marriges, relationships, that I have really nasty night-terrors!
I usually don't remember them. Sometimes I wake myself up with them however.
Anyway, perhaps I shoved all that crap so far into my subconscious that it just jumps out at me even to this day and age.
I also know that the multi-pathogen diseases I became infected with,
did'nt start in 95 but much earlier like 70 when I had reactions to penicillin.
And, tetracycline. They gave me that for a supposed UTI!
Caused supposedly by too much stress and black coffee. Yet, again, no record in my medical files!
It was after I served shore patrol in the Phillipines by some "skivvy house".
Getting eaten alive by the mosquitoes.I was posted there to keep personnel from going there!
Yea! Right! Like one guy's gonna stop anyone from gettin...well going in those places.
Another thing I can't prove to the good ole government!
A couple of my wives are going to write a letter explaining the night terrors they witnessed me having,
I'm going to write and tell them the names of some of the guys I served with as well.
But who knows if they'll remember!
Or if they can be found!
Oh well, probably nothing will come of it!
The crap happened to me...maybe not them...except for one I know of for sure!
There I go off on a tangent....sorry!
zman
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JRWagner
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Must be the heat getting to my Floridian friends again!!!! Baking those brain cells...
Thanks Marnie...how about Red Yeast Rice Extract?
Tony ( I did not know you went over "back then")...perhaps I will give you both a call when I come down in the next 30 days or so...will be in Bradenton...Cape Coral, etc.
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