randibear
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i really think i need to detox for metals and parasites.
i tried the nurtura and nothing...nada, zilch...didn't work for me.
i've researched the hulda clark and read it's a scam so i'm leery of that.
is there something easy to take like pills or something which would work? i don't know anything about this kind of detox and really need some help from people who have done it.
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mojo
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humaworm is very good for parasites. Many folks on here use it.
For metals you can use a good brand of Chlorella or maybe Zeolite:
I have never tried Zeolite (I had already chelated when I used the Nutramedix for Cowden) but I do use Chlorella and plan to continue using it for maintenance.
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I wouldn't start with zeolite unless you have access to some kind of energetic testing for it, because some people have kidney weakness & don't test well for it.
OSR is really good. A bit expensive but good. Take ALA and NAC (if you don't have any fillings). These are glutathione precursors or antioxidants which help recycle glutathione.
Pectasol is good too. It's a modified pectin that enters your bloodstream to bind, unlike say apple pectin which just stays in your gut.
However, you need to be taking binders such as apple pectin (I use Glucomannan) that will pull the chelators through the gut route. Even if you have a strong kidney, the kidney tends to get stresed much easier than the gut. EDTA or DMSA suppositories also come to mind, but I haven't used these.
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Randibear,
Whatever antiparasitics you do, they need to be used over many, many months. These parasites are very difficult to get rid of, but many people have done it.
The herbs also need to be rotated so the parasites don't build up a resisitance. I was on antiparasitic herbs for 6 mos before I saw results, and then when I started salt/c all hell broke loose.
These parasites have layed eggs and larva and it takes a lot of persistence to get rid of them. Check out the humaworm site and also read about "other cleanses". They have a series of herbs and the order in which to do them over a period of time.
Dr. Hulda Clark is a very intelligent woman and not a scam at all. Also go to
and look at the parasite forums. A lot of people dealing with the same things,
Gael
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I don't believe everyone has a major parasite issue. My doctor doesn't either, and she was a big follower of Dr. Clark back in the day.
So far, I haven't seen much parasite activity. It hasn't been detected in any energetic test or lab test. So it may also be a geographical/lifestyle issue.
Either way, it doesn't hurt to do a round of humaworm and see what happens. My whole family is on it, and no one has had any changes besides more bowel activity
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randibear
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well i ordered the humaworm for 30 days.
i did the dr. nurtura and got nothing. i called them and they said "well some people don't." i hate to spend all that money and have it not work, but at this point i'm desperate.
should i stay on the humaworm for 30 days or longer? i've heard you should rotate it, every three months...
geez, i'm so ignorant of all this and i get tired of reading.
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glm1111
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mOjoey,
Are you aware that statistically 90% of the population has parasites? The reason food workers wear gloves is to not contaminate the food with parasites and bacteria.
Dr. K. treats all of his patients for parasites and worms first. I took 6 months of VERY strong Chinese and South American herbs before I saw anything. I started the salt/c protocol and all hell broke loose.
These parasites are MASTERS at survival. Don't be fooled that it is a geographical or Third World problem. I never tested positive for parasites in any lab test or energetically, but I sure had a lot of them come out when I treated.
Randibear,
you need to stay on the Humaworm for the 30 days and go to their site and look up "other cleanses" in the left hand columm. They have a whole protocol to follow for the in between herbs.
Gael
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Yes I am aware of that. I'm not saying that people don't have parasites. But whether it is an issue that is beckoning to be treated (which is how I interpret energetic testing results) is what I question. Many people on the zyto evaluation come up with alinia as a priority. Not for me. I don't believe we're supposed to get rid of all the parasites in our bodies to get well. That doesn't make any evolutionary sense. "Rife showed that by altering the environment by adding adrenaline, friendly bacteria such as bacillus coli could be converted into the 'pathogenic' bacteria known as typhoid, then into viral forms associated with polio, then tuberculosis, then cancer."
Reestablishing terrain is my primary concern. Trying to get rid of every single parasite & bacteria in our bodies is not only a herculean task... but also doesn't bode well for a healing psyche. That is just my opinion. Of course, many people out there may have a huge parasite problem that needs to be addressed in an aggressive manner. My point is simply that the need may not be universal.
With that said, I plan on following the humaworm protocol because I don't think it'll do any harm & it's relatively cheap. ALso, it's always wise to do what you can to keep pathogens in control while you reestablish healthy terrain.
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I agree that the Hulda Clark liver cleanse is a good one. I have used it three times now over the past few weeks (two weeks apart), and it seems to have helped a lot.
Humaworm is good. You take it for 30 days, then off it for 90. I would take something else during that 90 days. I saw lots of roundworms with enula during my time off Humaworm, but never saw one roundworm when on Humaworm.
I agree with Joey. We need to get the terrain changed. It's a matter of balance. Balance so that the good is stronger than the bad. I'm on the verge of being there, but feel like I still need to get the upper hand on a couple more things ....
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I personally am very doubtful we're all littered with parasites, but who knows..
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I never in 1 million years suspected that I had a problem with parasites. I did 3 liver flushes & then I started seeing something that looked a bit odd in the toilet. I may have easily missed it but it didn't look right... Low & behold - I had a liver fluke.
After taking some black walnut hulls, wormwood & cloves - I passed quite alot of flukes & then something that looked like a tapeworm segment. I know I have more work to do on this & I am feeling quite different now.
I'd say it's a good idea for everyone to try de-worming themselves. You have nothing to lose - except the parasites.
They aren't going to come out very easily & you may miss them. I think many people have them. There are so many factors as to how you can be exposed to parasites, I think it's just a good idea to do a few different things to rid them from your body --- even if it's just to rule them out as a cause of ill health.
Hulda Clark is a very smart woman & doctor. Her theories & protocols are not a scam. They are very simple, basic things you can do to clean out the toxins & pathogens from your body.
Good luck randibear!
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I took a few weeks maybe of high does garlic.. maybe got up to 9 pills of Pharmax a day and I did expel nests of dead worms. I have been crazy about washing my hands and cleanliness since childhood.
Question about the Hulda Cleanse. I am on kidney right now and working up. Has anyone had a problem with the epsom salt (mag sulfate) lowering blood pressure too much?
Thanks.
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sparkle7
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It's not a cleanliness issue with parasites. They are everywhere & microscopic. I'm not being paranoid - it's just the facts. We do have to strike a balance but they are living off of us & depleting our energy. Best to get rid of them.
There are some recent studies about *giving* people worms who have Crone's or IBS... I wouldn't do that. I think it's better to get rid of em.
R62- I'm not sure about the epsom salt. I think there are alternatives if that's too harsh for you. I read that epsom salt is good since it helps dilate the bile ducts. It is kind of harsh - so, if you have any issues, you can do some research & see if there are other methods.
Watch the Worm Guru - it's good... She has alot of info but she's funny, too =
Over 90% of the population has parasites. Willy Burgdorfer found Filarial worms in the ticks and then found spirochetes as an aside. So yes, people with Lyme disease have even a bigger problem with parasites. Check out the symptom list at
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Listen guys and gals.. You got to throw out the old idea of parasites and think of it as the same as bacterial or fungal or viral infections. its all part of the whole picture. Parasites do not have to be "worms" (even though there are some of those). Remember babesia is a parasite. Malaria is a parasite. Toxoplasmosis is a parasite.
There are many infections and its all one lump and you got to hit them all at the same time from many angles. I really think there is a preconceived notion that parasites are some other entity all by itself and it is only one thing you have in your head about it.
Change that over to tiny infections in the blood just like the other infections. As well there can be tiny eggs and different forms of parasites through their life cycle. Just like Lyme has its life cycle and it is a bacterial infection.
I just feel like it needs to be pointed out that parasites are not just of the gut and are not just of worms.
I treat for parasites in one way or another all the time. Taking breaks of course. But I visualize those treatments going through my blood and penetrating my tissues and organs just like I visualize antibiotics. I even am on antibiotics that are anti protozoan. Like I said. Its all one lump sum of an infectious disease that has some of.... Bacterial Fungal Viral and Protozoan infections.!
I hope that helps some in a better way to think and approach this subject. And you got to keep treating like Gael keeps saying because of the life cycle and they are hard to get rid of when they are laying so many eggs etc. Got to pay attention to the life cycle and continue to remember they can be in all forms and various types in all parts of the body. Including the brain! ..
So do not give up and keep on going after them.
Did you know that in AIDS patients they do not die of AIDS but of Toxoplasmosis (a parasite infection) That takes over and kills the patient. They are not just some odd thing from 3rd world countries.
I think that there are also a lot of people who do not realize that things like babesia and malaria and toxoplasmosis etc are protozoan. I know when I first started learning about all this I just lumped everything into either Bacterial or Viral. That was it. I have learned so much over the years...
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Here is a great basic site for learning called
Protists are eukaryotic creatures <you-carry-ah-tick>, meaning their DNA is enclosed in a nucleus inside the cell (unlike bacteria, which are prokaryotic <pro-carry-ah-tick> and have no nucleus to enclose their DNA. They're not plants, animals or fungi, but they act enough like them that scientists believe protists paved the way for the evolution of early plants, animals, and fungi. Protists fall into four general subgroups: unicellular algae, protozoa, slime molds, and water molds.
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Well, I'm one of the biggest "germophobes", wash my hands frequently, disenfect rooms regularaly, etc.
And I have a few different types of parasites and I've seen "proof".
It takes a long time to get rid of them but I'm determined. I've got a couple types of roundworm and liver flukes. Ewwww.
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randibear - see the post i just bumped to the top called "Allergie-Immune Germany".
ping "We are more than containers for Lyme"
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randibear
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mojo, my husband says i don't clean i "persecute".....LOL
but i'm still going to give it a shot, hey, what have i got to loose? maybe some weight and some renters who aren't paying board!!
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I did one month of Humaworm and never saw anything. It did give me significant heartburn; so I ended up giving away the other two months worth I bought here on Lymenet.
Everyone else I know that used it saw stuff, so I figured I was okay.
I take Sun Chlorella every day....and I don't have a way of putting this nicely, but within hours of taking it my stools smell very metallic. It took me a while to make the connection, because I don't go looking for these things, but I have clearly noticed this. So hopefully it is doing something good!
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It takes, many, many months of antiparasitic herbs and or other antiparasitic protocols to get rid of parasites/worms.
These infections can be deeply imbedded in the intestinal track and other organs, have layed larva and eggs and takes much more than one round of Humaworm. You may have to rotate with other antiparasitics. Persistence is key.
Tracy,
I could be wrong, but I thought I read on here recently that chlorella has a high metal content. You may want to check it out.
Gael
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Swanson offers a kind of Japan-harvested Chorella and chorella growth factor on the cheap. I believe they call it "Kyoto" brand, after the location where it is grown. Some say it is useful for detoxification, but nomatter what it is known as a nutritious "green food".
As far as the parasite connection is concerned, I would encourage anyone with a suspected parasitic infection, especially one with supposed evidence that can be seen with the naked eye, to find a physician or lab to look at it and identify. If you can find a parasitologist that's even better.
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Tracy,GLM, Isnt it more likeley that the chlorella is chelating metals?
Seems like this company has been around for a while, I would imagine that they test for metals?
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Marsy,
I don't know the answer,(maybe someone else will) but when I was researching it I came across the info I posted mentioning that it is high in Vit K. I believe Tracy is or was on blood thinners.
Gael
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