Topic: 1.5 Yrs. off Abx and YEAST is still my main enemy !
ping
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Hello,
After all the anti-yeast protocols that I'm careful to do, my GI sx's got so bad that I decided to take a chance yesterday and swallow the dependable ol' Fluconazole tab. Within 45 minutes, my sx's were completely resolved AND my BP had dropped 20 full points! (Yes, I was sure to take some good acidophilus a couple of hours after the Fluconazole.)
I've done all the low carb, no carb, gluten free, take acidophilus, etc., etc. and still, after all this time, yeast is causing me the majority of my pain! Guess I shouldn't really be surprised, after all the years of oral abx / anti-parasitics, my GI tract is likely shot to hell for a good long time, if not for life.
I can't tell you how much better I feel today; all the bloating, GI sx's, back, shoulder and neck pain are gone! Not to mention the lowered BP! (Still not in the normal range yet, but lots better.) Looks like it's Flucon and acidophilus for me for the forseeable future. Thankfully, my liver is in very good shape and I support it with lots of good food and drink.
Will continue the A.I. until clear and hope that it helps restore my GI tract, but if not, then will possibly have to cope with yeast for the rest of my life. At least I know what the major contributor is now. Sounds so simple, but how quickly and easily I forgot.
Can't emphasize the yeast problem enough to those of you still on abx tx and to those of us who aren't anymore.
Wishing the best of health to all of us!
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Marnie
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Coconut oil...Capsules from Source Naturals makes them easier to take.
"Google": yeast coconut oil (for proof).
Plus...
Loading doses of a GOOD probiotic(billions)...like 5 capsules one hour before a meal with a full glass of water two times per day for one week. Good ones are refrigerated.
Then maintenance. Vary the "kinds" (different sources).
The good guys help keep yeast in check.
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ping
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Thanks Marnie. I'll check it out.
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Yeast is no fun. It's another reason I'm a fan of low dose abx rather than high dose.
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ping
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Marnie - If I order the Ccnut oil, I'll have to have it sent to my home in Texas. Only problem is that it's about 100 degrees here right now and I'm afraid the product will spoil or lose potency (I call it "softgel melt".)
What do you think?
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Hi Folks,
In response to a number of PM's, I appreciate all your replies. Think I'll stick with the probiotics I have, as they provide billions and just as important - I'm not allergic to them!
Off to Alaska this afternoon. Best to everyone!
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Our llmd says to alternate the natural remedies like grapefruit seed extract, caprylic (sp) acid, oil of oregano (hard of stomach for some of us) and coconut oil, every five days.
We also take diflucan and nystatin. We hit it from all sides I guess you could say.
We also eat yogurt every day, the non-sugary kind, and take theralac pro-biotic at bedtime.
I try my best to keep my family off the sweets, but with teenagers its hard to control what goes into their mouths.
Yeast is a tough one to get rid of..good luck everyone.
Linky
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A little melting shouldn't affect it at all.
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Hi guys, I have a serious yeast problem despite having had zero ABX for my Lyme. It is part of the alteration of the immune system that Lyme causes, shifting immunity away from the innate side that controls yeasts (among other things).
In my case, this is combined with being forced to take huge amts. of steroids for serious allergic reactions every time I get stung by insects, which is often, no matter how I try to avoid them.
FYI: Caprylic acid is made from coconut oil and is easier to take. Caprol or Capryl are both good brands.
I also think Candex is excellent. It is made up of enzymes that eat yeasts. NSI makes a stronger and cheaper knock-off of it that you can get at www.vitacost.com called Candida Yeast Management.
I have found that liquid Diflucan works far better than the tablets for me...maybe an absorption issue? Might be worth trying for those with gut issues.
Once you are off anti-funguals, there is a special type of yeast (yes, yeast, believe it or not!) which can keep it at bay. The Ducks even recommend it,since it has lots of studies and long usage in Europe to back it up. It is called Floraster and is made from a yeast called saccharomyces boulardi. It ain't cheap but it works by crowding out the bad guys.
Off topic: another member of the saccharomyces family, saccharomyces cerevisae, makes up the product called Epicor, which is proven to raise natural killer cells by 400%. I've been taking this instead of Samento for a year now. I like it because there is no die-off herxing, and the Samento herxing was killing me.
My last whopping dose of cortisone for a a fire ant reaction almost killed me, but I also learned from the intensive yeast tx that resulted from it. Many of the sx I'd been blaming on Lyme for years were caused by yeast all along!
My head is clearer, I am calmer, my chapped, constantly burning skin is gone, I can sleep for several hours without having to get up to pee, etc. I never realized yeast might be causing these things.
Good luck to all. This is so tough to control.
klutzo
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I was going to mention that I drink a little bit of kefir with every meal and I've never had a yeast problem. I'm on massive doses of antibiotics too. The food gives the kefir something to eat and it goes through and as long as the kefir is there fungus doesn't stand much of a shot.
Depending on how shot your digestive tract is you might want to try taking intestimax to help it heal. Then there's also IGG from Xymogen which would help the immune function of your gut.
If anyone wants to make their own kefir I could try and mail some extra grains. That's how I got mine but I have yet to mail any out.
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glm1111
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Ping,
As usual I will remind you about the parasite/worm connection to Lyme. They feed on the candida and lower your immunity.
It's just a vicious cycle. Coconut oil is a great suggestion, but not enough to get rid of these pathogens.
Have you used any antiparasitics? I would urge you to look into this connection. Some really good info on www.curezone.com
Gael
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Marnie
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CO ALSO HELPS AD...
DOC OF AD PATIENT DISCOVERED THIS...IN NEWS RECENTLY.
SOURCE NATURALS CO AVAIL. IN GELATIN CAPSULES.
I TOOK 5 CAPSULES 2X/DAY FOR JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS FOR YEAST FLARE-UP AS A RESULT OF PRILOSEC.
I SHOULD HAVE STUCK WITH ZANTAC FOLLOWED 1/2 HR. LATER WITH 2 P. BISMOL....LEARNED THE HARD WAY.
SORRY FOR ALL CAPS...TYPING ONLY LEFT HANDED TODAY...
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ping
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Thanks again to you all for great suggestions, but feeling real good right now and think I'll stick with what's working for me.
I'm off to The North Country. TTYL.
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gemofnj
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i have been wanting to try keifer, but according to this product info, its loaded with fat and SUGAR. YIKES.
You can also make your own. It's not difficult.
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pamoisondelune
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I take nattokinase, which dissolves fibrin.
Here's a quote indicating the nattokinase could have a double value, also hitting candida:
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Candida has molecules on the surface that mediate its adherence to human tissues which are the main ways it negatively affects health [30]. ``Pathologists studying disseminated candidiasis find tiny abscesses throughout the body. These consist of Candida albicans surrounded by fibrin (a protein able to clot) and a connective tissue shell. This shell isolates Candida from elimination by the immune system'' [7].
[7] Lahoz SC. Conquering Yeast Infections. S. Cotel Lahoz, St. Paul (MN), 1996
By R. Thiel, Ph.D., Naturopath ://www.healthresearch.com/yeast.htm
Thiel, R. Systemic mycoses: An overview for natural health professionals. The Original Internist, 14:2, June 2007:57-66. ABSTRACT
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Brussels
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I think what solved my 2 decade old problem of candida and fungi was:
1- heavy metal detox (clean GI tract)
2- Sanum (isopathics to kill, and they do kill L-forms too)
3- allergy dissentization to whatever involves in candida (candida toxins, heavy metals)
4- infra red therapy (kills candida and cleans, to my understanding).
I always hated abx, before lyme, probably because of my candida/ fungal problem.
Agree with others: candida live with parasites. But it lives with borrelia, with MANY other bacteries and with heavy metal deposits too.
And it is always in our GI tract (even if healthy) and can be reactivated anytime. Eat sugar and white processed flours, you are eating what the bad candida loves. So even in a healthy GI tract, you can have candida again if you eat badly.
This is just my opinion.
I battled candida MUCH longer than lyme. It is AS TOUGH as lyme to get rid of.
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