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richedie
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Not sure I am spelling it correctly...but a doc I saw up in my area for pain said he wanted to try Darvacet.......but I have to research concerning interactions with Mepron, Ceftin and Biaxin.

Anyone try this?

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Mepron/Zith/Ceftin
Doxy/Biaxin/Flagyl pulse.
Artemisinin with Doxy/Biaxin.
Period of Levaquin and Ceftin.
Then Levaquin, Bactrim and Biaxin.
Bactrim/Augmentin/Rifampin.
Mepron/Biaxin/Artemisinin/Cat's Claw
Rifampin/Bactrim/Alinia
Plaquenil/Biaxin

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Darvocet... It's a decent pain reliever, not the strongest out there, but a good place to start for pain.

A combo of Darvon and Tylenol, basically.

Some people have called it "the old lady's pain med" because it is not terribly strong - but it is helpful.

(In my case, it's one of the very few pain meds to which I'm not allergic.)

Check www.drugdigest.com's interaction checker for your other meds.

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As Cactus mentioned, Darvocet is Propoxyphene Napsylate and Acetaminophen.

Regarding Acetaminophen and Ibuprofen, those are each very hard on the liver and kidneys, respectively.

Because of the toxic load for lyme patients, drugs can be even harder on our bodies. But, there is no need to suffer. There are many good methods to address pain that are not damaging to the body.

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www.medicinenet.com/tylenol_liver_damage/article.htm

Tylenol (Acetaminophen) Liver Damage

Excerpt:

. . . Tylenol . . . can cause elevations of liver enzymes in the blood suggesting injury to the liver.

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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5533065

All Things Considered, July 4, 2006

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Excerpt: " . . . But a study in this week's Journal of the American Medical Association shows that ordinary doses of acetaminophen can cause liver damage. . . . "

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http://abcnews.go.com/Health/PainNews/story?id=7699582&page=1


FDA Group Issues Cautions on Acetaminophen Overdose Commonly Used Pain Drug Poses Serious Danger in Certain Cases, FDA Says


Excerpt: " . . ."I was taking Tylenol like I was supposed to, by the label," he said. A few days later the then 37-year-old Benedi was in a coma and in desperate need of a liver transplant. . . . "

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http://www.nytimes.com/1990/04/16/us/kidney-peril-found-in-the-pain-reliever-ibuprofen.html

Kidney Peril Found in the Pain Reliever Ibuprofen - The New York Times

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Some safer methods to calm inflammation and the pain:

Singleton's book, "The Lyme Disease Solution" discusses pain relief options.

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This is included in Burrascano's Guidelines, but you may want to be able to refer to it separately, too:

http://www.lymepa.org/Nutritional_Supplements.pdf

Nutritional Supplements in Disseminated Lyme Disease

J.J. Burrascano, Jr., MD (2008)


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http://www.vrp.com/ArticlesSearch.aspx?k=Inflammation

Search results for Inflammation relief: many articles

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http://www.vrp.com/ArticlesSearch.aspx?k=Pain

Search results for pain relief: many articles

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I tried Darvacet today and noticed no change in pain! I only felt light headed and dizzy.

I have found no good methods to address pain that are not damaging to the body. None, zero, ziltch, but I'll keep trying.

I might go right the MJ.

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Mepron/Zith/Ceftin
Doxy/Biaxin/Flagyl pulse.
Artemisinin with Doxy/Biaxin.
Period of Levaquin and Ceftin.
Then Levaquin, Bactrim and Biaxin.
Bactrim/Augmentin/Rifampin.
Mepron/Biaxin/Artemisinin/Cat's Claw
Rifampin/Bactrim/Alinia
Plaquenil/Biaxin

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Actually, that may help ease the kind of pain that comes with neurolyme as an assist from time to time (but it won't correct the cause/imbalance or enhance healing). If your state has medical MJ cards, you can get it in various forms. "Funny Butter" is one form that is easier on the lungs. Stay hydrated.

Oh, but first, have you used Corydalis? That has been very helpful for me.

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Corydalis, in addition to helping as a pain reliever, can also help calm the brain and lessen the amygdala kindling that occurs with neuroborreliosis.

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"Corydalis yanhusuo, a well-known traditional Chinese medicine, is widely used in China as an analgesic for patients with terminal cancer." (From: http://tinyurl.com/yccsm6r )

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http://www.itmonline.org/arts/pain.htm

SIMPLE TRADITIONAL FORMULAS FOR PAIN

Excerpt: . . . Corydalis and trogopterus enter the liver and spleen meridians. Both are able to promote blood circulation and remove congealed blood. They are very effective for relieving pain. . . .

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http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com/diseases/the-nervous-systembrain-nerves-and-mind.html

excerpt:

* Herbs such as opium poppy and corydalis rhizome (Corydalis yanhusuo) reduce pain by binding to opiate receptors (Stansbury, 1999).

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

PubMed Search:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

PubMed Search:

Corydalis - 290 abstracts

Corydalis, pain - 8 abstracts

Corydalis, liver - 4 abstracts

Corydalis, inflammation - 3 abstracts (one lead to Curcumin)

Hypomagnesemia, pain - 32 abstracts

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HerbSom is an excellent formula, intended for use before going to bed (follow instructions and caution with driving until you get used to it. Do not mix with sedative or alcohol).

This is also part of a lyme protocol.

http://www.hepapro.com/hepapro_product.htm

See #28 - HerbSom

Ingredients; Corydalis root, jujube seeds and Schisandra fruit.

Jujube is also called zizyphus. Schisandra is also spelled schizandra. Both can be searched at PubMed and in "The One Earth Herbal Sourcebook" ( http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com )

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Is your vitamin D where it should be? If low, that can cause a tremendous amount of pain, partly because magnesium supplements (that normally help reduce pain) won't work for if D is low.

D3 (not D2) is the supplement you'd want. Sublingual is best.
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I had panic attacks while using it. I had to go to the ER.

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nope, can use it. allergic to it, besides did nothing except make me sick.

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I tried two Darvacets today and it just made me sleepy and mellow, dizzy too. No pain relief.

What is Corydalis???

My D was tested at 25...but thanks to supplements it is up to 42 and we are hoping it is over 50 by next appt.

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Mepron/Zith/Ceftin
Doxy/Biaxin/Flagyl pulse.
Artemisinin with Doxy/Biaxin.
Period of Levaquin and Ceftin.
Then Levaquin, Bactrim and Biaxin.
Bactrim/Augmentin/Rifampin.
Mepron/Biaxin/Artemisinin/Cat's Claw
Rifampin/Bactrim/Alinia
Plaquenil/Biaxin

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I took Darvon for pain unrelated to lyme (after a knee operation), I found it slightly more effective than vicodin. Percocet (oxydocontin) worked better for me.

Rich, where is the pain again? Your shoulder? Elbow? Is it in the muscle? I *might* have an idea.

James

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James, my current terrible pain is the left arm. Shoulder muscles, feels like tendons too, elbow tendons, forearm muscled, wrist.....

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Mepron/Zith/Ceftin
Doxy/Biaxin/Flagyl pulse.
Artemisinin with Doxy/Biaxin.
Period of Levaquin and Ceftin.
Then Levaquin, Bactrim and Biaxin.
Bactrim/Augmentin/Rifampin.
Mepron/Biaxin/Artemisinin/Cat's Claw
Rifampin/Bactrim/Alinia
Plaquenil/Biaxin

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hmmm, just thought of something. i buy a lotion from deborah's collections called cineol lotion.

i don't know what it has in it, but just rubbing it on my shoulder joints for two days and and the pain gone.

might be worth a shot. comes in a big plastic bottle.

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OK, I just went to Deborah's site and it appears the order page site is down. [Frown]

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Mepron/Zith/Ceftin
Doxy/Biaxin/Flagyl pulse.
Artemisinin with Doxy/Biaxin.
Period of Levaquin and Ceftin.
Then Levaquin, Bactrim and Biaxin.
Bactrim/Augmentin/Rifampin.
Mepron/Biaxin/Artemisinin/Cat's Claw
Rifampin/Bactrim/Alinia
Plaquenil/Biaxin

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