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I got the seasonal flu shot this year. I believed it caused me to relapse. I will not be getting the H1N1 shot as I fear it will make me relapse even further.
One of my LLMD's told me not to get the flu shot...I should have listened.
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I too asked my current LLMD about this. He said definitely NO to the flu shot and he said the jury was still out on the H1N1 so he wasn't able to give an opinion.
I have passed on both since I know that it was a Typhoid Shot for going to China that was the piece that let the gate keeper loose and this disease get the best of me.
I'm told that many with Lyme won't even show symptoms but often these immunizations will bring it out IF you have it, so I just figured that I'm in a sort of ok place now, so don't want to risk it.
Good luck to you no matter what your decision.
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Our LLMD advised against them. My husband did not get them but I got both. In my line of work I am exposed to far too many people to take a chance. For me, it isn't a matter of "if" I will get the flu (without vaccinations), it's a matter of "when."
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Less than half of health care workers willing to take the H1N1 jab because it has not been tested enough.
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From all over the world. So I know it it not just one bad batch.
My doc did not recommend it.
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This was received in June and not released till Sept.
They already knew it could mutate with the 274D.
And the whole time WHO was saying it was very stable. http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1472-6807-9-62.pdf Conclusion Analyses by the ISM bioinformatics platform of the HA1 protein of North American swine H1N1 and H1N2 viruses and the new A/H1N1 that emerged recently in Mexico and the USA showed that both groups of viruses differed in characteristic parameters that reflect a distinct propensity of these viruses to undergo a specific interaction with swine or human host proteins or receptors. Using the same approach, amino acid substitutions F71S, T128S, E302K, M314L in the A/H1N1 HA1 essential for the human interaction pattern of these viruses were identified and residues 94D, 196D and 274D of A/H1N1 HA1 were predicted as "hot-spots" for mutations that may significantly increase the propensity of this virus to interact preferentially with human host proteins. At least one of these mutations (D274E) was already found in the A/ H1N1 isolates from Spain, Italy and US, suggesting the virus further adapts to the human host. In addition, it has been suggested that the highly conserved domain 286 - 326 of HA1 plays an important role in A/H1N1-receptor Conclusion Analyses by the ISM bioinformatics platform of the HA1 protein of North American swine H1N1 and H1N2 viruses and the new A/H1N1 that emerged recently in Mexico and the USA showed that both groups of viruses differed in characteristic parameters that reflect a distinct propensity of these viruses to undergo a specific interaction with swine or human host proteins or receptors. Using the same approach, amino acid substitutions F71S, T128S, E302K, M314L in the A/H1N1 HA1 essential for the human interaction pattern of these viruses were identified and residues 94D, 196D and 274D of A/H1N1 HA1 were predicted as "hot-spots" for mutations that may significantly increase the propensity of this virus to interact preferentially with human host proteins. At least one of these mutations (D274E) was already found in the A/ H1N1 isolates from Spain, Italy and US, suggesting the virus further adapts to the human host. In addition, it has been suggested that the highly conserved domain 286 - 326 of HA1 plays an important role in A/H1N1-receptor
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If you don't think conspiracy theories don't exist. Or you don't think the media is manipulating us. Or you don't think is possible for a big pharma to organize the flu scare in the ukraine. Well we maybe witnessing the biggest hoax of all time.
This is a small group of scientists hiding data about global warming. It doesn't say who put them up to it. Scientist rarely do this without a sponsor.
I know the article has nothing to do with vaccines except how we might be lied to. By the media, by the government, by corporate america. Are vaccines truly safe as being pitched by the media?
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I hear where your coming from Bob,
but I remember one of Jacque Cousteau last shows.
He cried because the oceans have been destroyed
compared to what they were. And he said if life on
this planet did not change. That I understand.
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i guess i'm one of the few who will post that i got both my seasonal and H1N1 shots...felt very tired for a week after it but i am no worse for wear. I thought getting it posed to great a risk...just my opinion.
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Dave, I guess it's a matter of time, toxicity, immune system condition...
Not everyone falls dead or sick by the first flu shot, but no one knows when or who will fall sick and with what kind of disease.
We have literally NO idea what these shots make long term, as people only see short term reactions.
The risk is there, written in the package insert of the vaccines.
My daughter developed serious allergies to many foods at the age of 10 months. When I read the mere statistics of vaccinated and non-vaccinated kids and their rate of allergies, I got convinced that there is SOME relation between developing allergies and vaccinations.
What caused what, I can't say, but statistics are there to show a causal relation between, for example, vaccinations and higher risk of developing allergies.
Some kids don't develop allergies either. Well, I guess it's like catching lyme disease. Some people don't develop the disease, despite being bitten by infected ticks. No one can say for sure what will happen, each case is a case.
The other swine flu vaccine, from the 1976, actually killed much more than the flu itself. And we still didn't learn from it.
"More than 500 people are thought to have developed Guillain-Barre syndrome after receiving the vaccine and 25 died. No one completely understands what causes Guillain-Barre in certain people, but the condition can develop after a bout with infection or following surgery or vaccination. The federal government paid millions in damages to people who developed the condition or their families.
However, the pandemic, which some experts estimated at the time could infect 50 million to 60 million Americans, never unfolded. Only about 200 cases of swine flu and one death were ultimately reported in the U.S., the CDC said."
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My LLMD said a definite no to both flu shots. He did write a scrip for Tamaflu and told me to get it now to have in the house for the first sign of flu. We did just that.
My grandchildren have not been innoculated so we are somewhat concerned about their infecting me.
My husband does plan to get the H1N1 shot because of me. He already had the flu shot.
My mother's little sister died of flu and all of us have had pneumonia multiple times. I think our family is more suseptible than most.
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quote:Originally posted by Brussels: However, the pandemic, which some experts estimated at the time could infect 50 million to 60 million Americans, never unfolded. Only about 200 cases of swine flu and one death were ultimately reported in the U.S., the CDC said."
Maybe that's because people got VACCINATED.
I mean, the same argument could be made about polio. Oh, no one needed the polio vaccine because polio is virtually irradicated.
I understand some of the concerns. Of course it is a personal decision. For me, I would have loved to not get the vaccine. But until sick people realize they need to stay home rather than infect me, I feel I really have only two choices; get sick or get the vaccine. I don't like to be sick.
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i have lyme and all co's and in July I contracted the swine flu. I haven't even had the flu in like 10 years which tells ya how powerful this flu is. I thought I was just having a herx and after 4 days I made an appt with my LLMD who said "I think you might have the swine"-
Although I was off abx for several weeks. Although it was a terrible flu to have. I would take it over that vaccine. The flu will continue to mutate like the flu making the vaccines no longer work against the virus. It didn't kill me. Just look for the symptoms and if your sick with a fever for more than 3 days go to your doctor.
The vaccines have heavy metals among other things to keep them perseved. These toxins can cause major brain issues for us. Also our immune systems are weak and chances are you will get sick from the vaccine.
My vote-don't do it
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