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This is for sjbeannie who brought up this subject a month or so ago. This is an abstract presented by Dr. Bach at the International Scientific Conference on Lyme Disease, April, 2001.
RECOVERY OF LYME SPIROCHETES BY PCR IN SEMEN SAMPLES OF PREVIOUSLY DIAGNOSED LYME DISEASE PATIENTS
Dr. Gregory Bach, Do.O.,P.C. OBJECTIVE
Lyme disease, being a spirochete with pathology similar to syphilis, is often found difficult to treat due to the spirochete invading sanctuary sites and displaying pleomorphic characteristics such as a cyst (L-form). Because a significant portion of sexually active couples present to my office with Lyme disease, with only one partner having a history of tick exposure, the question of possible secondary (sexual)vector of transmission for the spirochete warrents inquiriy. Additionally, sexually active couples seem to have a marked propensity for antibiotic failure raising the question of sexually active couples re-infecting themselves through intimate contact.
METHODS: Lyme spirochetes/DNA have been recovered from stored animal semen. Recovery of spirochete DNA from nursing mother's breast milk and unbilical cord blood by PCR (confirmed by culture/microscopy), have been found in samples provided to my office.
RESULTS:
Suprisingly, initial laboratory testing of semen samples provided by male Lyme patients (positive by western blot/PCR in blood) and the male sexual partner of a Lyme infected female patient were positive approximately 40% of the time. PCR recovery of Lyme DNA nucleotide sequences with microscopic confirmation of semen samples yielded positive results in 14/32 Lyme patients (13 male semen samples and 1 vaginal pap). ALL positive semen/vaginal samples in patients with known sexual partners resulted in positive Lyme titers/PCR in their sexual partners. 3/4 positive semen patients had no or unknown sexual partners to be tested. These preliminary findings warrent futher study. Current a statistical design study to evaluate the possibility of sexual transition of the spirochete is being undertaken. Our laboratory studies confirm the existence of Lyme spirochetes in semen/vaginal secretions. Whether or not further clinical studies with a larger statistical group will support the hypothesis of sexual transmission remains to be seen. A retrospective clinical study is also underway. We are reviewing the medical records, collecting semen samples of patients who were previously diagnosed with current and previously treated Lyme disease are bing asked to provide semen,pap and blood samples for extensive laboratory testing.
CONCLUSION;
With the initially impressive data, we feel the subsequent statistical sudy on the sexual transmission of the Lyme spirochete will illuminate a much broader sectrum of public health concerns associated with the disease than the originally accepted tick borne vector.
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Go Dr. Bach! I hope more information comes out about this in the future. Don't know if this will be much help however since people aren't being diagnosed for years... how do you take precautions with your spouse or significant other when you don't know you have something?? Maybe this will help the push for better testing. Also makes you wonder how often Lyme Disease helps AIDS patients die.
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Putting to the top for friends.
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Very interesting article. Its a shame there isnt more information like this! Its also a shame that by now, there are so few effective and comfortable methods of birth control for couples to use.
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This is extremely interesting. I thank you for posting it.
I am wondering now. . . how soon does a mate get Lyme disease after it is passed. It is probably not as rapid in the partner as it was with the originally infected person. Just a thought.
We need more studies on this with more detail.
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Very interesting. Can't wait to see results from the retrospective study underway.. Thanks for posting this!
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that is the worst possible news.....I'm a single male, 27 years old....now any girl i would potentially date will need to know that prior to dating her, and what girl wants to risk getting a disease?
Not only am i stuck with lyme, but now i'm doomed to a life of loneliness!
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If this is the case, and what if you haven't been diagnosed for years and married. Obviously, my hubby and I don't use protection and I was just diagnosed last year and didn't know a thing about this being sexually transmitted. Have I now given it to him? Should he be tested? I did read in one thread last week or so that it may be simular to transmitting AIDS whereas it is easier for the male to transmit than the female. But I don't know. Anyone out there have any ideas? I'm paniced!!
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TeamMom, I have told my husband that he needs to get tested. Here's the dilemma, the doctors here that I went to said, "There's no Lyme in Texas, one did finally a titres test. Now knowing that, how do I get a doctor here to write a script or whatever you call it, for him to be tested. Do you think the doctor that diagnosed me would write the test request even though my husband is not my doctor's patient? Husband retires in 5 months. After 33 years of working the same job, I am not taking any chances, and I will make him get the test done. During that, not much is going in the bedroom, but I do have a question that may sound a bit silly, but is there possible spirochetes in saliva. Can we even have a wonderful kiss anymore, not just a peck on the lips. This might sound silly but I love kissing my husband, and I dont think they have invented safe kissing condoms. Sorry folks, tonight is my silly night, tomorrow I will probably crash into depression, but you got me on the funny end of it. Loretta
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I don't know either-I was hoping that perhaps TinCup or one of the more knowledgibles would read. Perhaps we need to bring up as new entry?
Well, sorry but I'm not giving up the bedroom thing. Especially the kissing. Forget it... I'm not letting all the fun go out just because of this disease-Nope ain't gonna do it.
Not sure of the doc thing either. My hubby and I have the same Dr. so we don't have a problem here with the exception of the lab-our insurance only covers Lab Corp or SmithKline and not IGX lab. So this would be out of pocket for us.
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The medical profession can be so arrogant about their less than perfect knowledge!
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This is a confusing issue, as I have been with my husband for 11 years and he is not sick. Now I think my son has it, but not sure, so hard to know.
But they tend to live long in his family and my family tend to go early with heart disease and cancer and there is rheumatic illness as well. So maybe my son and I were doomed from the begginning from genetics alone.
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It being in the semen does not mean that it is transmitted by sex. The ying yang has many powerful barriers to it, otherwise we would all be horribly sick and pregnant all of the time.
On the other hand, if it does prove to be transmissible by sex, maybe we will get some GD*(&(*)&%^%$$$$&^^(*&)(_!! effing treatment by infectious disease dox.
and for you people who think that you won't hook up, well look at all the gay men who have HIV and AIDS and are with someone. Semen does NOT a relationship make.
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