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Paul Mall
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ok I am new.. only one week in.

I feel I am herxing a bit from the antibiotics really tired and whole body sore with brain fog.

I started by confincing my primary to give me Doxy

he gave me 100 mg 2x a day

I saw the LLDO 2 days later he said it was ok to finish up the DOXY but I told him I wanted to up it to 300 so he confirmed that was ok.

he added Hyroxychloroquine 200 2x day.

so the Doxy instead of a 3 week plan from my PCP I am turning it into just a 2 week program at 3 pills a day. at which point I will switch to Minocycline (100 mg 2x day) - Imediately after running out of the Doxy.


Just wanted to throw that out there to get any thoughts on this initial program

anyway to the primary question:

I keep hearing that flagyl or cyst busters can cause nuero damage? but I do not read this in the side affects?? is the nuero damage actually caused by the bacteria die off? or is it a true side affect from the drug?

I also researched Hydrocychloroquine and it seems to be a form of cyst buster?

my LLDO told me my next treatment after the MINO will make me HERX big time so I am concerned what it's going to be? thinking flagyl. won't start the next phase for another 37 days

probiocs every night at bedtime

any thoughts

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Some details for minocycline are in this thread. LIVER SUPPORT is vital for help protect ears. 3/4 of the way down page one you will see more about that. The minocycline references are sprinkled here and there.

Specifically for LYME patients - lots of details about ears and what can help:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=065801

Topic: TINNITUS: Ringing Between The Ears; Vestibular, Balance, Hearing with compiled links - including HYPERACUSIS
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google nitroimidaole neurotoxicity--it is very real.
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Hydroxychloroquine is Plaquenil. It's a good drug for Lyme treatment. It's anti-malarial. It also is a mild cyst-buster. It helps macrolides (which you are not currently on) work better. I was on it for 20 months. You're supposed to get your eyes checked periodically on it.

Mino is also a good drug.

Be sure you're taking two of the doxy at one time, then the third by itself as per Dr. B's guidelines so that you get a therapeutic dose in your system once per day. According to the guidelines it's better than three times per day (always good to check the guidelines yourself to verify).

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I have been on Plaquenil almost since the begining of treatment. When my LLMD added in Flagyl last year it had no effect on me.

My guess is that could be for two reasons: 1)I am lucky and am a good detoxer, and 2) the Plaquenil has been keeping the cysts away.

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Just keep an eye out for the neuro stuff. If it gets bad you stop. (as regards flagyl)

What brand of probiotic are you taking? Must be high quality or it's worthless.

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@Lymetoo the probiotic is Theralac and it's in the Fridge my LLDO gave it to me at the office. I take it at bedtime

@sixgoofykids so you think the morning dose would be better to double up on the doxy? and then 1 late?

I was thinking maybe should take the double dose at the evening dose because I sleep a long time sometimes

you think morning would be better for the double doxy dose?

I feel really tired all week and brain fog.. I can feel something is working. I am on day 7 now


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the answer to your question is a simple "yes, its possible".

some damage may be reversible, some permanent:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2764756/

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Paul, not sure if it matters which dose is double, just so long as one is so that you get that higher level in the bloodsteam as if you were taking 400 mg per day.

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I've had no problems with FLagyl. I think it has helped me. I only pusle 1000mg / day for 3 days every 2 weeks. My LLMD says the latest research indicates this is sufficient to get the cysts yet not risk neuro stuff.

I also take Grapefruit Seed Extract.

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bcb- I feel like i've asked you this before but I can't remember what you said.
when you are pulsing the flagyl, are you still taking the other meds as well on those days?

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Multiple docs, negative Labcorp test
LLMD: 1/10
Positive Igenex/CDC test
Treatment 2/10
2/10-8/10 Amox, ceftin, zith, flagyl
Currently: Bicillin, Minocycline, still dealing with severe breathing issues

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Yes...flagyl is added on top of the other meds. I don't stop anything.

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Bite date ?
2/10 symptoms began
5/10 dx'd, after 3 months numerous test and doctors

IgM Igenex +/CDC +
+ 23/25, 30, 31, 34, 41, 83/93

Currently on:

Currently at around 95% +/- most days.

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Interesting observation. I was directed to stop the Doxy when taking the Flagyl.

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ISSUES AFTER: Tendonitis, letter reversal, Low immune system.
PREVENTION:SaltC,Iodine,Humaworm,
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