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Yes your right! I got my bottle of intramax out it lists both of them, 25 mg for the glutathione, and just lists l-glutamine under non-essential aminos....does not list how many mgs....I will call them tomorrow and see. I
dont really think what im having is glutamine toxicity but read about that earlier, so ive been looking at everything i take since it seems to be in everything.
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- The problem is not at all about L-Glutathione, as I see it. There are MANY other ingredients here that have acted like rocket fuel for me.
And the fact that it's a proprietary blend, you can't get the amount of some of these things. For that reason, and from many similar experience, I would never take any formula unless I could see specific amounts.
You can return this for a refund if you choose.
I tried to find the ingredients at the main site but could not and the flashing there nearly put me into a seizure. From another site, I assume it lists correctly the ingredients but I also had major trouble reading that as it's all squished together.
I've listed a few of the ingredients that I think are causing your reactions: -----------------
I also think there is just TOO much stuff here. Way too much. Your body has a lot to work through with so many things. I'd be sure to take this with FOOD, not on an empty stomach.
The Bee Pollen, alone, can make you feel like a sudden flu if taken on an empty stomach. -
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- L-Glutamine is often suggested to help heal damaged stomach tissue. However, for those with lyme, be very careful with L-Glutamine.
In TINY amounts, L-Glutamine can help. However, I would first try all the other things. Lyme patients can be too sensitive to L-Glutamine.
L-Glutamine caused some very intense seizures for me - every time I tried it. It took 3 such instances to connect the dots but - even at a very low dose, L-Glutamine significantly lowered the seizure threshold and caused much more severe seizures, each requiring at least a month of recovery time before I could even really talk again.
I wish I had seen the article below beforehand. I could have prevented brain damage.
Therefore, since lyme patients frequently are more susceptible to seizures, it's best to avoid L-Glutamine supplements. We get some in our food (and we do need some) but extra is just too risky for a compromised brain that is already very toxic and irritated.
If nothing else works, you might try a very tiny amount - with Slippery Elm bark. L-Glutamine can help with the stomach lining but be careful if anxiety or central nervous system irritation occur.
Anyone with a seizure disorder - or myoclonus of any degree - should avoid this (as as sole supplement), unless in small amounts as part of a balanced formula. As seizures are not uncommon with lyme, it's just best not to do anything that can make the brain any more irritated than it already is.
Glutamine converts to glutamic acid in the brain and that can create further toxicity & irritation to brain/nerve cells for those with neurological illness and a compromised blood brain barrier (as with lyme):
AMINO ACID SUPPLEMENTS I: GLUTAMINE - with Reference to the Related Compound Glutamate
-by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D.
Excerpt, half way down the article:
. . . Glutamate in Neurological Diseases
The other concern about glutamate is related to its essential role as a neurotransmitter. The levels of glutamate in the central nervous system (brain and spinal cord) are highly regulated, since the neurons have sensitive receptors for the compound.
* In some neurological diseases, it is found that glutamate levels in the central nervous system become unusually high at sites of pathology. This can occur, for example, if the rate of degradation of glutamate is slowed by an impairment of the enzymes that are involved.
* Also, glutamate is excreted by immune cells that take part in inflammatory processes; the result is high local concentrations at the neurons in progressive neurological diseases such as MS and ALS.
* Glutamate levels in the central nervous system can also increase when the blood brain barrier is substantially weakened, as occurs after neurological surgery.
* The excess glutamate at the neuron acts as a poison; at high enough levels, the nerves exposed to glutamate can be completely and permanently damaged, so that they are no longer capable of transmitting signals.
* Thus, while glutamate is a major component of the body, and an essential part of the nervous system, high levels localized in the nerve cells can be quite toxic, and this is readily demonstrated in animal models.
* Laboratory research has revealed that in the progressive, debilitating disease ALS, one of the many processes involved in disease progression appears to be damage of nerve cells by accumulation of glutamate.
* In relation to multiple sclerosis, changes in control of glutamate homeostasis in the central nervous system might contribute to demyelination of the white matter of the brain (19).
Based on preliminary animal studies, it has been suggested that glutamate dumped by immune cells can exacerbate the nerve damage (20).
* One of the means by which a stroke (causing blockage of blood circulation to the brain) results in brain damage is through an increase in glutamate levels in the brain cells (of course, oxygen deprivation and other effects are also contributors). These findings point to local glutamate excess as an important factor in brain diseases.
* Since glutamine is converted to glutamate, supplementing glutamine at very high levels in persons who have such neurological disorders may be contraindicated.
. . . .
- Full article at link above. -
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- Why not egg yolks? They are excellent food.
Find out how much L-Glutamine and how much glutamic acid is in this new product but also consider all the other things on that list.
I've had horrible reactions from every single thing on the list above. You may also need more real food. It's best to get nutrients from food. Consider juicing vegetables, adding legumes (especially lentils), dark rices or Quinoa. All provide key nutrients and fiber - and are easy on digestion.
Potatoes and egg whites are not enough nutrition - and not enough fiber for your colon to detox. Hope you can add to your menu. -
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issues and has progressed from there.
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- Well, along with gluten, dairy is one food group to avoid when treating lyme, anyway. Other than yogurt, maybe.
There are a million foods that would still be kind to you right now. Really. Potatoes and egg whites are not enough.
If have to have a little cholesterol for your adrenals to work. You also need essential fatty acids to live. While an avocado will not supply needed traces of dietary cholesterol, it does have good fat. Hope you can enjoy avocados.
But, I hope your LLMD is looking at WHY you have trouble with fats. Does adding lemon juice to your food help? It should as it makes the fats more digestible.
In addition to LEMON JUICE, GINGER helps digestion. So will onions and garlic.
Other things to consider:
Regular quinoa - or quinoa flakes
carrots, yams, parsnips, beets (in moderation)
greens of all kinds - juice if you must
Summer squashes (all you want of zucchini)
Lentil soups have great nutrients. The red lentils are more easily digested by you can use a hand blender to puree any soup.
Saut� an onion (and garlic) to the point of caramelization and it will be more easily digested in a good lentil soup, with veggies added near the end.
Undenatured Whey Protein powder can raise glutathione levels - but this is NOT a substitute for real food. -
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- If you use whey, be sure it is undenatured whey and from a animals not exposed to farm chemicals and allowed to be free GRAZING.
And, here's why it is important NOT to put undenatured whey in a blender - and also not to combine it with most foods: ---------------
ImmunePro RX� contains Lactoferrin, Immunoglobulins (IgGs), Bovine Serum Albumin, Active Peptides and Growth Factors to promote optimal immune function and detoxification. . . .
* What is the best way to store ImmunePro RX�?
60 degrees Fahrenheit (or cooler) in a dry location; refrigeration is acceptable.
* What is the best solution to mix it in?
Purified water is the best liquid to thoroughly mix ImmuneProRx�. Use a sealable container to shake it, or a MANUAL eggbeater.
* Do not use an electric blender. The whey proteins are easily denatured through heat and pH change.
Mixing the whey protein with any other types of food can induce a pH change and slow the transit time in the stomach through its digestive response to the solid food.
Liquids that are not neutral in their pH can also denature the proteins, for example: most fruit juices, coffee, and tea. By following the above guide, the uptake of the undenatured protein fractions in the upper small intestine is optimized.
A small amount of Stevia is an acceptable sweetener, if desired, for palatability. . . . -
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