CDC Lyme Positive Co infections? Who knows... Bands 18+ 30+39+41+45+58+66+ IGG 23+39+41+IGM Posts: 351 | From Boston MA | Registered: Oct 2013
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OptiMisTick
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Ya, probably it's supposed to. (scare the **** out of folks)
We always knew Lyme disease could do this, it's been documented back to the 80s.
Usually when someone reports "Lyme" relating to someone's death, then someone in authority tries to explain how it really was not Lyme after all, it was just a Bad Haircut, etc., you get the picture.
Now perhaps with a vaccine on the horizon suddenly we will be seeing more of these types of articles.
I will remind that a potential vaccine for Lyme disease is on the horizon and it could be an extremely cost effective marketing campaign to panic the public with news stories on this "new" (known since the 80s) phenomenon of serious damage/death due to Lyme disease.
Here's an interesting quote on Lyme vaccine:
The Lyme Disease Vaccine—A Public Health Perspective
by Angela K. Shen, Paul S. Mead, and Charles B. Beard
Clin Infect Dis. (2011) 52 (suppl 3):s247-s252.
"Among the many agencies with a role in vaccine research and development, the CDC, the Department of Defense, the FDA, the National Institutes of Health, and the United States Agency for International Development have the largest investment in vaccine development. These agencies, together with vaccine companies and academia, are central to addressing and tackling the challenges involved in bringing a vaccine to licensure."
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Now suddenly the same CDC mentioned above - as having a large investment in a Lyme vaccine - is digging up Lyme deaths when before it was denying them.
How quaint!
Is it just coincidence? What do you think?
And BTW how is it a vaccine when it does not bestow any immunity to Bb on the patient?
The patient's blood merely serves to kill Bb in the midgut of the tick - when it is transferred....for a while.......with boosters.....
I wonder if vaccine is the right word - it doesn't seem to resemble the "other" vaccines out on the market.
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OptiMisTick
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Kind of seems like Tick Vaccine would be the better term, hmmmm.........
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Keebler
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- No, a lyme vaccine will not be better. Many lives were ruined due to that the last go around. It also will not do anything against all the other tick infections. And anyone with lyme, has others, too.
AND it would only (maybe) address one of 300 strains of lyme. One strain that can change anyway by the time we turn around.
There has been talk about trying to get it to be more "well rounded" to work in different ways - but the folks making this vaccine are not very tick-borne infection literate so I sure don't trust their foresight. They don't know the basics about lyme. And they have not bothered to broaden their education to include ILADS researchers.
Borrelia inherently evades immune detection. So messing around with how the immune system "detects" it is not as simple as they think.
They don't understand the different forms that the spirochete can morph into and out of, either.
Complications and fatalities are directly related to lack of adequate and complex treatment for long enough for ALL the infections, deficiencies and related matters by intelligent and educated medical professionals such as those LLMDs and LL NDs who are ILADS educated.
I think some fatalities with lyme have to do with porphyria, a liver issue. Liver and adrenal support are also "required" for some patients to survive but many don't get that for various reasons. -
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lpkayak
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Did u read down to where only 2 deaths in US from lyme...ever
T. You have a llmd and are being treated-that doc should be on top of this and u aregetting tx-the ppl who died had none
Just do not ignor heart sx-look them up and tell your llmd if you get them
I totally believe what opti is saying...im so sick of this whole thing
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The information is nothing new so it really doesn't scare me. They are putting this stuff out so the public gets scared... then BAM .. the vaccine will come out.
We have to keep warning the public about the possibility of a vaccine coming out and to NOT get it.
at a time when the journal and CDC were trying to SUBTRACT Lyme deaths (whoops, looks like SOMEone has done a turnaround!)
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at a time when the journal and CDC were trying to SUBTRACT Lyme deaths (whoops, looks like SOMEone has done a turnaround!)
- Yep!
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lpkayak
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how can they keep putting out vaccines for lyme and evrything else when the vaccines do more damage than good??? i dont get it...how can they do this???
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surprise
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Money, money, money, that's how.
I try hard to stay off vaccination threads, sometimes even typing out long replies which I delete before posting.
I believe Keebler posed the question on the other thread: Why no move to 'green' our vaccines?
Because to give an inch, a centimeter, a slight blush on cause and probability on the
neuro diseases that are inflected on the children and elderly, will stir the masses. Can't stir the people and wake us up.
The sheer amount of vaccinations (booster after booster added every bloody year)
pressed down on our children is staggering. And it certainly shows, with the autism and Alzheimer's numbers at epidemic portions.
It is disabling already compromised immune systems to the brink.
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Keebler
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- I should have said "why no move to "green our vaccines" -- for those select few that are a true service to humanity . . . AND forget those that are not. There are also other ways to approach prevention. A vaccine for everything is just not a good idea.
But as long as they contain heavy metals and other toxic additives, even the best designed vaccine can spell disaster for a certain number of recipients.
A lyme vaccine, at this point, is not going to benefit humanity and poses much danger. Those who are designed this are not adequately educated about lyme and TBD. Now some may mean well and believe the very tight circle of IDSA cohorts but I really hope they broaden their educational scope.
Lyme research really matters, of course, but they simply must look beyond the basics. It's so very complex. -
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Keebler
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- I've seen more than one report of a death with flu where acetaminophen was administered. My guess is that could also have a huge impact on the mortality factor.
The flu, withOUT acetaminophen given may not have the same risk. Acetaminophen can prevent all the body's cells from utilizing glutathione, a requirement to flush out metabolic waste (increased during infection). Certainly harder on the lungs, too, and the liver but also on neuro tissues.
This is just one example of things we can study in order to be better prepared. Other ways to address pain and inflammation so that the body has a better chance.
News, situations, can be scary. Sure. Still, there are things we can do for ourselves (and figure out how to find the real experts) to stand a better chance. So often the deaths from lyme involve inadequate care, undiagnosed coinfections, by under or uneducated doctors - or lack of support methods. -
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I read a really scary blog by the father of an Autistic child. He mentioned the use of Tylenol when the child began high fevers after his vaccines. He stated how this made things even worse.
I know the medical establishment is beginning to realize the dangers of acetaminophen .... but too little, too late for many.
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surprise
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And how many moms don't know that Tylenol affects liver processing, and dose their child up before appt. where multiple shots are given at once because they think they are providing pain relief?
Keebler wrote: 'certain number of recipients' Autism is 1 in 50, not including ADD. I am in the elementary mix every day, I SEE it, and live it.
'Certain number' is higher and higher. The environmental assaults on the young immune systems is exploding :-(
Anyway, I have to go. This subject just leaves me...too upset.
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Judie
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"Money, money, money, that's how."
Agreed. My husband went to urgent care for a cut (he just needed a few stitches). They talked him into several vaccines, like whooping cough (definitely NOT related to his cut, he's not even in a risk group).
We got a fat bill for over $500 a couple weeks later! Mostly for the vaccines!
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quote:Originally posted by surprise: And how many moms don't know that Tylenol affects liver processing, and dose their child up before appt. where multiple shots are given at once because they think they are providing pain relief?
- Very scary indeed.
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