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Tincup
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Thank you for your patience while the options were being reviewed and worked out.

Here are some tips and suggestions for addressing the recently created IDSA panel that will be reviewing the guidelines.


Lyme panel: Selection and exclusion bias

http://www.lymedisease.org/news/lymepolicywonk/46.html


Protesting the panel: Putting pen to paper

http://www.lymedisease.org/news/lymepolicywonk/47.html


More news will be forthcoming about additional actions that can be taken from what I understand.

But for now this is, in my opinion, a good way to proceed.

[Big Grin]

Let's GO, GO, GO!!!

And remember to be NICE, NICE, NICE!

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Tincup
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From what I understand, an online petition has been in the works and will be ready to share in the near future.

Also... the CT bill hearing video has been cut down from 5 or more hours.. whew... to contain only Lyme issues.

That way all of us can see and hear the legislators and others speaking.

It was just sent my way, so I am reviewing it now and it will hopefully be ready for prime time players soon!

So don't listen to that whole web site just to hear the Lyme stuff.. it is being made user-friendly for you now by a volunteer.

Unless you want to know all about CT politics- Ugggggg!

[lol]

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thanks for update tc!

i just went to both links shown, broke them up and sent them both to those on my LYME LIST GROUP.

i hope others reading this will send to all their lyme friends also and POST ON OTHER BOARDS!!

I JUST POSTED ON WWW.MDJUNCTION.COM. THANKS.
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BETTYG, IOWA activist

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Tincup
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BG..

You must have a hefty pair of wings on you. You're EVERYWHERE and doing SO much!!!

Thank you!

[Big Grin]

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lou
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Great, this is a relief to have some marching orders. I will withdraw my petition idea in favor of whatever is coming down the pike in that direction.
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lou
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Does anyone know whether it is felt that people in other countries (who have a stake in the guidelines too), can write letters? Frequently the CDC and IDSA path is followed by health agencies in other countries. So, patients elsewhere are hurt or helped depending on what course this panel review takes. OK to post on other forums for people outside the U.S.?
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lou, outstanding question!!

tincup, when i saw the most NEWS FLASH, i knew trhis needed to go on almost every CURRENT ACTIVISM POST because you covered many things, and i didn't want things "slipping thru the cracks" causing us MORE WORK that would NOT be needed!

yes, at times, i can be everywhere, and thank you God for the COPY/PASTE FEATURE !!! a real timesaver! [Smile] [group hug] [kiss]

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Okay, so reading that link BettyG, I should write a letter to the the IDSA. I'll do that right now.

Tincup, I'll email you and you can tell me what to do further.

Thanks, Jessica

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jessi/others,

here is the direct link of my post on mdjunction site:

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support-forums/general-support/361397-210lyme-panel-selectionexclusionwriting-board#363520


again, this breaks up lorraine johnson's 2 posts for us neuro folks!

please join us for OUR LYME CAUSE!! thanks all! [Smile] [group hug]

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Does anyone have a sample letter, I could copy and send!?!?

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TX Lyme Mom
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Here's a medical ethicist who might (or might not?) be "neutral" and therefore helpful to our cause. It's hard to tell from what he wrote in the first article below about Blumenthal and the IDSA, but if you look at an earlier article of his (second link, below), then it looks as if he might actually be someone who could be helpful to us.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=18612447

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=18427644

Maybe someone would like to contact him to see what he thinks about the exclusionary criteria of the new IDSA panel. Maybe he could be persuaded to write a letter to the IDSA with a copy to Blumenthal in behalf of ILADS docs who are automatically excluded from the IDSA's new review panel because they earn >$10K per year from treating Lyme patients.


PS - I'm editing to add his postal address, copied from his second article (link above), in case anyone cares to try to enlist his help in questioning the unfair exclusionary criteria of the new IDSA panelists.
Herbert L. Fred, MD, MACP, 8181 Fannin St., Suite 316, Houston, TX 77054

[ 02-15-2009, 04:08 PM: Message edited by: TX Lyme Mom ]

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liesandmorelies
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Thank you Tincup...

I am putting the pen to the paper as we speak. It's nice to know what to do and I appreciate all the help.

I think it's nice that you and others are trying to organize this for us all.

Elizabeth [kiss]

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Tx Lyme Mom,
Those were excellent articles...I just finished the
second one, and am not sure if I should cry/then throw up, or throw up/then cry.
North.

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Interesting that one TX ethicist could produce such poor results in his role with the IDSA panel selection, but another one sees what the real issues are. We got the wrong ethicist?
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quoting texaslyme...just separating name/address so it stands out more ... thx tex! [Smile] xox


PS - I'm editing to add his postal address, copied from his second article (link above), in case anyone cares to try to enlist his help in questioning the unfair exclusionary criteria of the new IDSA panelists.


Herbert L. Fred, MD, MACP,
8181 Fannin St., Suite 316,
Houston, TX 77054

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Question: During the public comment period, can we reasonably count on ILADS docs to be submitting all the relevant scientific data and studies that support our position? I know I will be sending the IDSA panel a letter, hopefully with some scientific references I have gleaned from Pam's book, etc. But will ILADS
be bombarding them with evidence, incl peer-reviewed studies? Will they personally appear before the panel at public hearing to present our arguments? Getting a little nervous here....

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great question! perhaps tincup knows.

paul, copy your question and go to ILADS site, and send it as a question to them directly! [Smile]

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OK, I emailed the question to ILADS. Waiting for a response.

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Tincup
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"Question: During the public comment period, can we reasonably count on ILADS docs to be submitting all the relevant scientific data and studies that support our position?"

Absolutely.

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Writing those letters?

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yes, that's my tomorrow assignment!

got my taxes finished up and to accountant... [Smile]

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using amanda's post in medical, i got my tomorrow assignment just done and sent! [Smile]

sent to IDSA AND CONN. ATTORNEY GENERAL ...
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Jennifer and Richard,

I'm writing to each of you to advise you of my personal feelings on the new committee of 14 to review 06 IDSA LYME GUIDELINES for "conflicts of interest".

Treating physicians, who were entirely excluded from the panel, should be included on the panel.

Someone added $10,000 as maximum to be earned TREATING lyme; this was NOT on original agreement! It was done by IDSA to eliminate our chronic LLMDS, lyme literate mds!

These physicians understand what works and doesn't work in the field. They may also be required to comply with guidelines that they had no voice in developing.

By excluding treating physicians, the panel is also assuring that patient concerns will not be represented.

7 out of remaining 9 panelists are IDSA members. This is not a balanced panel.


Dr. Arthur Weinstein, who has written Lyme disease guidelines in the past and who is known to have a bias against patients, should never have been selected for the panel.


Dr. Carol Baker, who was a past IDSA president and who developed the guidelines in the Redbook, should not be on the panel.

Physicians with known biases against treating patients with Lyme disease should not be on the panel.

I feel our chronic LLMDS should be in EQUAL REPRESENTATION among the new panel of 14; this has NOT occurred, and I'm very upset.

I've had chronic lyme for 39 years; 34.5 yrs. MISDIAGNOSED by 40-50 drs!

Thank you for your consideration of my comments!

Mrs. Betty G

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I just sent my letter. It sure is hard to write these days.

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Hi,
I was wondering can someone clarify for me, my Lyme brain isn't working.

Are we to write letters to IDSA directly telling them what we want?

Am I confused, I didn't think they cared what we thought or wanted?

Shouldn't we be going over their heads? Who is in charge of them? The government? Can someone clarify for me?

This has been confusing me for awhile...sorry and thanks for any help in clearing it up for me.

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