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The question is which comes first...the chicken or the egg. I was just diagnosed with low thyroid . I have just started thyroid hormone but I hear it takes a while to kick in before you see improvement.I have just about every symptom below but have always attributed it to lyme....just lyme. Now I'm wondering if the low thryoid made me more susceptible to the lyme infection and or whether the lyme has attacked the thyroid and weakened it. See how many of these symptoms you have
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HYPOTHYROIDISM
The term means low thyroid function. Hypothyroidism probably affects hundreds of thousands of people but is often never diagnosed. Clinical signs and symptoms of hypothyroidism include the following (1,2,3):

Low body temperature, dry skin/hair, (red hair is at particular risk for low thyroid), inappropriate weight gain and/or an inability to lose weight, brittle nails, insomnia and/or narcolepsy, poor short-term memory and concentration, fatigue, headaches and migraines, premenstrual syndrome and related problems, menstrual irregularities, depression, hair loss (including outer third of eyebrows), low motivation and ambition, cold hands and feet, fluid retention, dizziness or lightheadedness, irritability, easy bruising, skin problems/infections/acne, infertility, dry eyes/blurred vision, heat and/or cold intolerance, low blood pressure, elevated cholesterol, digestive problems (irritable bowel syndrome, acid indigestion, constipation, etc.), poor coordination, diminished sex drive, reduced or excessive sweating, frequent colds/sore throats, asthma/allergies, slow healing, itchiness, food cravings, recurrent infections, food intolerances, increased susceptibility to substance abuse, anxiety/panic attacks, yellow-orange coloration on skin (particularly palms), yellow bumps on eyelids, slow speech, thickened tongue with scallop-like indentations, fluid in the ears, etc.

Because long-term low thyroid function causes poor circulation and reduces delivery of oxygen to tissue cellular and therefore has an association with heart disease and cancer as well as making you feel miserable, having even a few of these symptoms warrants checking your thyroid function.

THE PROBLEM WITH DIAGNOSING LOW THYROID FUNCTION

With so many different symptoms and so many different organ systems potentially affected by thyroid system dysfunction, one might think that a diagnosis would be easy. However, in spite of the available blood tests for thyroid/pituitary/liver/adrenal function, the diagnosis is often missed.(1,2) One of the most common mis-conceptions regarding thyroid function is the assumption that and reliance on the requirement that the diagnosis of hypothyroidism depends on an elevated TSH level. Normally, the pituitary gland will secrete Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (hence TSH) in response to a low circulating thyroid hormone level. This is thought to reflect the pituitary's sensing of inadequate thyroid hormone levels in the blood that would be consistent with hypothyroidism. There is no question that an elevated TSH can confirm the diagnosis of hypothyroidism, but it is far too insensitive a measure, in other words the vast majority of patients who have hypothyroidism do not have an elevated TSH level. Some have suggested that perhaps the upper limit of what is considered normal is too high, instead of the normal TSH range being from 1.0-4.5, the range of normal for TSH should be 0.5-1.5. In that way more patients would be considered hypothyroid.

Furthermore, the lab level of TSH tends to vary throughout different times during the day making it less useful to rely on as the average level. MSG (monosodium glutamate) and stress tend to lower the TSH level, for example.

The most commonly used tests of thyroid hormone levels (note that I use the term level rather than function because the two are not always equal) are the T4 (or total T4), T3-uptake, FTI (also called the T7 or Free Thyroxine Index), and total T3 (sometimes called the T3-by-RIA). These tests are also unreliable because they do not reflect the hormone level that is actually available for action. Only the free T4 and free T3 are available to act on the cells. The total T4 and total T3 (as is most commonly measured) is a mixture of protein-bound T4 and T3 (and therefore not available to the cells) and the free T4 and T3. A large percentage of patients have low levels of the free T4 and free T3 even when all the other more commonly used tests are normal. Complicating the problem is the fact that these symptoms may present themselves while all the usual blood tests (TSH, FI, Total T3, etc) appear to be normal. When patients with Free T4 and Free T3 hormone levels below normal with or without an elevated TSH are given appropriate therapy, many report a tremendous improvement in the symptoms classically associated with hypothyroidism. Even when the labwork does not indicate low thyroid levels, many patients appear to fit the profile for low thyroid action. In fact, many of the best thyroidologists use the response to therapy as the major determinant of whether or not the patient was in fact hypothyroid. The diagnosis was confirmed by the response to the proper therapy. Even many of the most prestigious textbooks validate this approach.

Unfortunately, when the blood work does not reveal obvious low thyroid levels, many doctors are prone to refer these patients to a psychologist because they "cannot find anything wrong" with these suffering patients.(1) Obviously, the hypothyroid patient will not suffer with all of the above symptoms simultaneously. But if you have some of these symptoms, in spite of unrevealing blood tests, perhaps it is time to look further. Due to my biochemical perspective, I see features of potential low thyroid action in non-thyroid blood tests. For example, in one study 12% of women with an elevated cholesterol level were found to be hypothyroid using the TSH level. That implies that high cholesterol could represent low thyroid. A high calcium hosphorus ratio was shown by Melvin Page, D.D.S. and others to be potentially due to low thyroid action. When the red blood cell size as measured by the MCV (see lab section on blood counts for more information) is elevated, one of the considerations is low thyroid function. Features of what Emanuel Revici, M.D. termed anabolic occur in hypothyroid conditions. He monitored salivary and urinary pH; when there is a consistently low salivary pH and a high urine pH, an anabolic state was likely. The details of this are not warranted for this discussion. The bottom line is that there may be a pattern of low thyroid activity not only in symptoms but also in the biochemical state.

The most common non-laboratory method for monitoring thyroid is basal body temperatures. Low body temperature seems to underlie many of the symptoms. Broda O. Barnes, MD, did the first studies correlating hypothyroidism to low body temperature. He found that having the patient take his/her axillary (in the pit under the arm) temperature for several mornings before getting out of bed could help document the trend correlating with the symptoms(2,3). An axillary temperature of <97.6 degrees F. indicated a hypothyroid state even when the blood tests did not show irregularities(3). Treating the patient with thyroid hormone seemed to relieve him/her of the often debilitating state(2). I would caution you on concluding that a low body temperature is only caused by hypothyroidism. See the Basal Body Temperature webpage for the proper technique and for other causes.

THYROID HORMONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY

After proper identification of hypothyroidism, the next issue is with what substance to treat. The traditional approach is to use levothyroxine (Synthroid�/Levoxyl�/Levothroid�) which is a synthetic preparation of T4. Desiccated pork thyroid (Armour�, Westhroid�, Naturethroid�) is a natural mixture of mono and di-iodothryonine and T3 and T4 that provides the entire range of thyroid hormones. Thyrolar� is mixture of synthetic T4 and synthetic T3. Cytomel� is a synthetic T3 only product that is also available. Choosing between these options is determined by finding the agent that provides the best response. Some clues to choosing the right agent are discussed below.

If the free T3 level is significantly lower than the free T4 level, it is unlikely to use treat with Synthroid/ Levoxyl/Levothroid (T4) only replacements. This is based on the assumption that if the patient could produce enough T3 from their gland or convert enough T3 from T4, then they are unlikely to do so by adding more T4. This is a key issue because T3 is 4-9 times as potent as T4. Most of the T3 found in the blood is made by the conversion of T4 into T3. The thyroid gland only makes about 20% of the T3 that is found tin the blood. Using T4-only preparations assumes that in the body it will convert to T3 in fairly standard amounts and at fairly standard rates. Unfortunately, clinical experience shows this is not true for the majority of patients. Measuring both free-T3 and free-T4 blood levels in hypothyroid patients who are on T4 only therapy proves that this is not a foregone conclusion. While a certain percentage of hypothyroid patients do convert enough T4 to T3 at a sufficient rate for T4 treatment to be adequate as a source of T3; many require both T3 and T4. In fact a recent article in the New England Journal of Medicine showed that no-one who took only T4 did better than those people who took T3 and T4 in terms of psychoemotional function, irritability, fearfulness, tension, anger, tiredness, physical coldness, nausea, etc. Thus there is certainly no advantage in using T4 alone.

You might wonder then why combination T4 and T3 products are not the first choice for all low thyroid patients. For some, pork is not well tolerated. Natural thyroid, despite what the manufacturer claims, is subject to variation between batches - not only in the exact total quantity of thyroid, but in the proportions of T3 and T4. This is rarely a problem. Another consideration is that it is probably best to take preparations that contain T3 twice a day because T3 does not stay in the blood for more than 4-6 hours. Thus, natural thyroid products are not as convenient as the once in the morning T4-only products.

In my practice, my choice is to use a combination of T4 and T3 unless I have a compelling reason not to use it. For the patient who shows no feature of persistent low thyroid function that has been on T4 only, I leave well enough alone.

Cytomel�, a T3-only product, and can be used alone or in combination with a T4-only preparations. Because T3 has a short activity (or "half life"), it needs to be used twice a day. E. Denis Wilson, MD, in his book "Wilson's Syndrome", found that many of patients respond best to T3-only (liothryonine). He believes there is a difference between thyroid gland dysfunction and thyroid system dysfunction. Although the TSH and T4 levels may be within the normal range, the important thing is not how much hormone is in the blood, but how effectively the T3 hormone is affecting the cells. At the present time, no tests can test the cellular function.(1) Therefore, he often diagnoses hypothyroidism by observing the patient's symptoms. Often T3 (liothryonine) therapy will alleviate or eliminate many symptoms even those previously attributed to other causes. Dr. Wilson used T3-only because T3 is 4-9 times as active as T4.

How do I know if I'm on the right dose on thyroid. In addition to relief from many of the obvious symptoms, the basal body temperature can be a guide. As a clinical observation, I have found that when the pulse rate goes up but the temperature does not rise any more, taking more thyroid will not help. You are getting all that you will out of it and side effects or biochemical/hormonal affects from overdosage will become more and more likely.

Over-dosage symptoms, which are frequently only temporary during the adaptation stage. The symptoms may include: palpitations, nervousness, feeling hot and sweaty, rapid weight-loss, fine tremor, and clammy skin. One of the long-term results of excessive thyroid activity is osteoporosis and a tendency to stress the adrenal glands.

NUTRITIONAL AND COMPLEMENTARY THERAPIES

Less severe cases may also respond to nutritional therapy in that the glandular systems can be supported, thereby strengthening the whole body. A thorough understanding of the intricate interrelationships between body systems can provide the foundation for a sound nutritional program. A comprehensive approach will address the entire problem, not just the symptoms. Nutrition for the thyroid should include support for the adrenals, liver, pituitary and spleen. The feedback among these glands determines the levels of circulating hormones in the body(1). Because of the functional interrelationships between these organs, a deficiency in any nutrient can adversely affect thyroid function. The idea should be to promote growth, balance and repair of the thyroid and related organs.

In addition to a well-balanced whole food based multiple vitamin and mineral supplement(s), normalization of the thyroid system often responds beautifully to a multi-glandular approach without the use of thyroid hormones. Because of the body's hormonal feedback systems, it has been proposed that taking thyroid hormones may actually induce a "welfare state" upon the thyroid gland. This means that supplying the body with its T4 hormone from without will cause the thyroid gland to cease making it on its own. I have not found this to be the case, or at least it is not universally true since many of my patients are able to adjust and in some cases discontinue taking thyroid without their hypothyroid symptoms returning. While many nutritional practitioners use thyroxine-free glandular, most of my patients prefer the more rapid and effective prescription agents.

Ray Peat, Ph.D., has written about the effect of other hormones on the thyroid system. Progesterone and pregnenolone tend to increase thyroid hormone effects because they promote the conversion of T4 to the more active T3. Estrogen has the opposite effect on thyroid hormone conversion(4). This may explain why so many women gain weight when estrogen replacement therapy or birth control pills are prescribed. Therefore, the physician needs to consider the effect of hormone replacement therapy when treating a patient for hypothyroidism.

OTHER CONSIDERATIONS

Supplements that stress the thyroid and adrenals, such as ma huang, ephedra, guarana and excessive caffeine, should be avoided.

Anti-Thyroid effects are seen with alcohol and stress (in part from ACTH). Most pesticides are similar to thyroid hormone (both have 2 benzene rings...) and therefore can block the effect of T3. Excess cadmium or lithium.

The hypothyroid patient also needs to pay particular attention to diet. Molasses, egg yolks, parsley, apricots, dates, prunes, fish, chicken and raw milk and cheeses can supply nutrients necessary for proper thyroid function(3). On the other hand vegetables from the cabbage family should be limited and include broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, turnips, mustard greens, kale, spinach, Brussels sprouts, kohlrabi, rutabagas, horseradish, radish and white mustard(3,5). These vegetables are often called goitrogens because they have been shown to decrease thyroid hormone production as effectively as prescription anti-thyroid drugs such as thiouracil. (5) Because these foods are antioxidant-rich, supplying other vegetables or even nutritional supplements is advisable.

SELECTED REFERENCES

Wilson, E. Denis, MD. Wilson's Syndrome: The Miracle of Feeling Well (2nd ed.).Orlando: Cornerstone Publishing Company, 1991.
2. Barnes, Broda, MD. Hypothyroidism: Unsuspected Illness. New York: Harper Collins Publishers, Inc., 1976.
3. Balch, James F., MD and Phyllis A. Balch, CNC. Prescription for Nutritional Healing. Garden City, NY: Avery Publishing Group, Inc., 1990, 213-214.
4. Peats Ray, Ph.D. "Thyroid: Misconceptions," Townsend Letter for Doctors, #124, Nov., 1993, 1120-1122.
5. Goodhart, Robert S., MD, and Maurice E. Shils, MD. Modern Nutrition in Health and Disease (6th ed.). Philadelphia: Lea & Febiger, 1978, 406, 473.









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Day, I have the same problem, and wonder the same thing. My TSH #s were normal so my LLMD said it shouldn't be the primary cause. I've been on Levoxyl for 2 months and I don't feel anything yet.

What about yourself? Are your TSH #s normal? What are you taking and what dose?

Do you think Lyme can trigger Hypo? It's autoimmune in origin which makes me wonder, as my ANA was normal.


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In my NON-medical opinion, I say yes...lyme can bring on the hypo/hyper active thyroids!

I've been misdx for 34 years. Had underactive thyroid for around 25 years. Yes, I had 99% of all the symptoms listed.

I'm on synthroid .88 dosage; yes, it has gone DOWN on mg from what it was for years!

My husband has overactive thyroid and Grave's disease of eyes. I tested mine after his dx. I had him tested for lyme after my July dx. Not positive for this said non-treating dr. But had many positives & worked outdoors all his life!

Have your blood work done regularly so dr. can keep up if you need it increased or decreased. Betty G.


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Interesting article, Daystar. Wonder if you read this recent thread?
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/029867.html

As for which comes first...the chicken or the egg...I believe it is the lyme which
causes our thyroid difficulties. Didn't have all those symptoms pre-lyme!

When I started the Armour Thyroid, within three days I could feel a big difference.
Got up off the couch and actually got something accomplished!

Called my LLMD to tell him he was a "genius"


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Yes, Nan, I wonder as well.

Any idea what the difference is between Armour Thyroid, Levoxyl, & Synthroid?


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Armour is considered a "natural" source...as opposed to the synthetics.
Doctors are sometimes very skeptical about prescribing Armour but are also misinformed...probably by the makers of the synthetics!

There is a discussion on the subject here:
http://www.drlowe.com/QandA/askdrlowe/armourthyroid.htm

This is an excerpt from the same site.
Question: I'm a 49 year old woman who has suffered from chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia since I was a child. After reading some of your material, my doctor is willing to try treatment for hypothyroidism. She is recommending using Thyrolar because she is unsure of the origins of desiccated thyroid. What is your opinion as far as natural vs. synthetic as a treatment option? Are both equally effective?

Dr. Lowe: Armour Thyroid is desiccated thyroid derived from pig thyroid gland tissue. Most of our hypothyroid patients use Armour, and they respond extremely well to high enough dosages.

Sales representatives from one particular drug company have deceptively misled doctors into believing that the animal source of Armour makes its thyroid hormone content unreliable. The product's potency, however, is as reliable as that of any synthetic product. For patients who don't want to ingest animal products, Thyrolar is an excellent synthetic alternative to Armour. Armour and Thyrolar have the same ratio of T4 to T3. They are equally reliable and effective when patients use high enough doses.


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I think the lyme causes the thyroid difficulties. I constantly hear of lymies with thyroid problems. I believe we all have it. Mine was high, now they say normal, but I know it isn't just doesn;t show on test.

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I also had hypothyroid and I was recommended to take Agaricus Blazei Murrill (ABM). This is also an all natural product with only one ingredient organic (ABM). After one week my energy improves and my condition is now under control.

I've tried other products before such as kelp, reishi, and Vitamin B12, but not as successful as ABM for me. I was sleeping 15 to 18 hours a day so this makes a big difference. I don't like any synthetic product and only gear toward natural.

If you are interested in trying ABM email me for info.


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You know, while I certainly have nothing personal against the thread starter and I understand he/she is trying to help us, posts like these just frustrate me.

It just throws another problem out there that may be causing all of us grief. It never ends. There's always some new finding or discovery that may be causing us hell with this illness. It just all seems way too complicated to me, too difficult to treat every single thing that may be going wrong, especially when our tests for disorders such as this hypothyroid aren't accurate.

I am in need of simplification, a clear path to follow - not continous alerts of an infinite number of disorders I may have.


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Hello.....I do understand your frustration....the only problem is there doesn't seem to be any clear cut path. Lyme and it's coinfections are a very complex problem and many factors need to be addressed. I go through periods where I just say the heck with all these natural treatments and new drug treatments that in the end seem to lead nowhere. It also seems that the same protocols do not work for everyone.

Sometimes I think we are all facing this crazy stuff for us to learn that good health ultimately is our divine birthright and that we need to turn wholeheartedly to God for the answers. There is something we are missing here....I don't feel that the creator intentionally inflicts us with all these complicated diseases so that we would have to spend so much time and attention dwelling on ourselves and such minute material medical details.I feel that in a material sense lyme , etc are real and that it's not all in our heads but from a spiritual perspective I think we all perhaps experience what we believe in or fear. This thought isn't to blame the victim but it seems we are all so desperate to feel well that we may have too much of a single focus. I don't know if I'm making any sense.....all I know (in my heart)is that things aren't always what they seem and there is so mch we don't know about our true spiritual nature.....maybe that's what we need to investigate. :=)


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Skimp, when it comes to a complex illness such as lyme, I don't "skimp."

Lyme seems to draw, initiate, or exacerbate other problems, big time. One's vitality may not be as simple as just treating one illness. For some, treating them individually may be the key to better health.
I've met people who had disabling symptoms, and were put into remission with a few months of abx. I was not of this lucky few and had to explore every posibility.

My mercury level was outragoues and I wouldn't have known this had I not exhausted as many posibilities of etiology. GiGi & Mr. GiGi's recovery is the consummate example of this.

I don't believe Day or most of the folks on this board post off-Lyme subjects to perplex or upset others. I do share your frustration and despair, but that's why I have a punching bag in my basement.

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This post about hypothyroidism was well-timed for us. My daughter has 2/3 of the symptoms listed, including the orange discoloration (low body temp, GI issues, fluid retention, cold, menstrual stuff, fatigue, low bp, etc.)

She is supposedly suffering from an eating disorder because she says she can't eat normally w/out gaining a lot of weight. So she cut her caloric intake. Makes sense, right? I have tried to tell doctors that unless this metabolic problem is solved, her eating problems will continue and she may very well end up with an eating disorder out of habit.

For two years, she did have some low thyroid tests in the springtime, I forget which ones. Her endocrinologist called it "sick euthyroid syndrome," meaning not a primary thyroid problem - but an indirect one caused by Lyme.

Since he didn't feel the problem was primarily the thyroid itself, he did not treat it. He said treatment of the Lyme was the best approach.

Unfortunately, she is now symptomatic w/ thyroid issues (it seems) but has no positive tests...No credibiity in our hypothesis for now I guess. Anway , thanks for posting it.


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Hi Lyddie,

I gained 25 pounds with lyme....until I was put on Armour Thyroid. My appetite improved and I lost the 25 pounds. I was eating more on the AT and must have been burning those calories to continue losing weight.

But the biggest plus for me was energy and
I felt so much better.

If you are concerned about her try going to www.armourthyroid.com
You will see an oval near the top which says
Find a Doctor Near You.

P.S. I promise....I am not connected to this company in any way other than being a consumer!


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Thanks Nan! Got names of doctors w/in an hour's drive and read the whole site.
Here's another chicken and egg situation: an eating disorder could cause hypothyroidism, but in my daughter's case we feel the hypothyroidism caused (or mimics) an eating disorder.

Lyme apparently caused the low thyroid values in previous years (and she had some autoimmune stuff going on). This year, we feel it was zoloft that also contributed to the problem.

Thanks again!


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Nan, 2 questions for you:

1. How long did it take till you noticed a reduction in symptoms from the Armour?

2. My Autoantibody was elevated but my T's are normal. Can the Autoantibody correct itself with thyroid treatment?


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My LLMD was surprised that I responded so quickly...within a week I was feeling much better. For me, it was dramatic! Not sure it would work that way for everyone.

Your second question is one that I can't answer...sorry. Not smart enough.

I joined a Yahoo Group on Hypothyroidism to learn more and to ask about which meds seemed to work, etc. I had quite a few responses that were positive for Armour.
A number of these people had been on first one synthetic and then another, trying to find the right balance. Some gave up and went on to take Armour Thyroid and I was advised that if I was doing well with it to stay the course. I did learn that many people had difficulty with the synthetics.

Of course, once you start on thyroid meds, it's for life! I get tested every three months and so far (2 years) my tests are always normal. (thyroid tests are a bit like lyme tests in that they are not reliable)

Another plus is....it's cheap! I pay $9.99
a month...not covered by insurance.

P.S. I haven't let out any oinks yet, either!


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This is all very interesting...I'm learning alot here. Does anyone know why once you start taking thyroid hormone that it is for life? Is it because the pill hormone takes over for the thyroid gland and then the thyroid loses the ability to work right? Or...is it because most causes of low thyroid cannot be cured? I like to think that if some of the basic causes of the low thyroid were say lyme, acid PH, problems with the adrenal glands, etc...that if those were addressed that maybe at some point one could safely stop the thyroid med?
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I have developed a lot of these symptoms because of Lyme, but most definitely cannot take some thyroid drug for life. Are there any natural boosters, other than the ubiquitous multivitamin, that people can take?
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Martin~most lyme patients have a low body temperature...but I don't know if it is related to thyroid problems.

Hmmmm....this looks interesting....a natural remedy. http://www.nativeremedies.com/thyroi d-assist-treatment-hypothyroidism.shtml?ovchn=OVR&ovcpn=Overture+main&ovcrn=thyroid+medicine&ovtac=PPC

Aha! http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesArticle/id-962.html

I have to take thyroid medication for life
Many patients are told that once they are on thyroid hormone replacement, they'll be taking it for life. For many people, this is true. Any treatment that removes or destroys much of the thyroid (such as surgery or radioactive iodine) will require treatment with thyroxine (T4 hormone) for life. However, in certain situations, hypothyroidism is temporary; you may need thyroxine for a time, but you will later stop taking it. Sometimes it may be obvious that you no longer need the medication, but other times you and your doctor may need to attempt a trial period off thyroid for 4 to 6 weeks to see if you still need it.

The following are some of the conditions that require thyroid hormone replacement for a limited amount of time.

Subacute thyroiditis causes the temporary breakdown of thyroid cells and the release of thyroxine from the thyroid. As this condition improves, thyroxine begins to be made and stored again, and oral thyroxine is no longer necessary.
Silent and postpartum thyroiditis also cause temporary loss of thyroxine, which is restored with time.
Acute thyroiditis occasionally requires temporary treatment with thyroid hormone

I am learning things I didn't know reading this stuff. Maybe our thyroid problems are
temporary/ I don't like to take medicine and if I don't have to I'd be happy. Must quiz my LLMD about this.

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