Topic: I urge all of you that have stomach problems to please read this!!
Nal
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My Dr emailed me this. Its from a different support group. Start at the bottom and work up. Thought I would share it.
Nancy
Thanks blank. But how do you know when a GERD or H. pylori patient has hypochorhydria versus hyper acidity? The only reason I knew in the case of the patient I mentioned is that she had found this out herself through experience.
It's my understanding that most people with H.Pylori are hypochorhydric. Like Warren said, start with low doses of betaine HCl (it's hard to find glutamic acid hydrochloride) and slowly build up. Eight 650 mg caps is what the stomach normally produces. Take it after the first few bites of food. Vinegar has been used a lot as well, but it's off the list for yeast sensitive people.
> - I have a Lyme patient who I recently diagnosed with H.pylori. When > treating her H. pylori I have had to leave the ppi out of the protocol > because she has hypochorhydria. She actually drinks a little bit of > vinegar > every day to make her stomach feel better! > > > > A little known secret among physicians is the high incidence of > hypochorhydria--low HCl excretion by the stomach. It is common as we > age (estimated over 50% if over 70), but is also common among people > with chronic inflammatory illness, allergies, and HLA-DR4 genotype. HCl > is critical for the absorption of minerals and protein; acts as an > antimicrobial barrier for bacteria and parasites; signals the pancreas > to release its alkaline and digestive juices; is necessary for the > proper pH in the intestines for the maintenance of beneficial bacteria; > and is associated with B12 absorption, as both HCl and intrinsic factor > are produced by the gastric parietal cells--100% of patients with > pernicious anemia are achlorhydric. > > Paradoxically, low HCl can cause dyspepsia and heartburn--an alkaline > gastritis. I have several patients whose stomach upset has been > relieved by HCl supplementation--and I know I'm enhancing their > absorption of nutrients at the same time. I tell my patients to avoid > all the gastric acid inhibitors, for obvious reasons. >
> > > note from a patient > > > > Additionally, I > > overcame the GERD by > > using Betaine Hcl with > > my meal -- for me it > > stops the GERD in its > > tracks, and I'm > > wondering if it could > > affect absorption. > >
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Nal
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My question is: can you have low HCL and still have an acidic stomach?? I had a ph test done that showed my ph levels around 4.0. What is a normal ph of a stomach anyway?
Nancy
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5dana8
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I wish I knew the answer for you Nal but sure someone will come along and help
I am glad to see you may be on the right track...and may have another piece of the puzzle.
Hang in there
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The normal ph of a stomach is usually between 1-3. 4, I believe, is high normal, but your GI doc should be able to tell you this. Generally, though, the ph is quite low. HCL is highly acidic (ask any of us who have used this in chemistry class, dropped a single drop on our jeans in lab, and watched that area get eaten away rather rapidly...).
(BTW neutral is 7. Acids are below 7 with lower numbers being more acidic. Alkalines are greater than 7 with higher numbers being more alkaline.)
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Nancy....just a heads up. I think you should edit out any names.
Thanks for posting this info.
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Nal
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quote:Originally posted by Lymetoo: Nancy....just a heads up. I think you should edit out any names.
Thanks for posting this info.
Oops!! I didn't even think of that! I took care of it though, thanks!!!
Nancy
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Nal
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I know there are more of you out there with stomach problems. I am getting ready to go on betaine HCI tomorrow. Im hoping to start correcting the damage I have done with those PPI's!!
Nancy
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JimBoB
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Nal: Is the betaine HCI an herb, or a some kind of manmade drug? Can it be gotten without a prescription? Or would I be better off just to drink some vinegar? to do the same thing?
Nal
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Jim...
My dr recommends the one made by Twin Labs. It does contain pepsin and so I think it does help it to work a lot better. Im gonna give it a try and see what happens myself!
Nancy
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Carol in PA
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Those of you with gut problems may be interested in this information.
The stories from satisfied customers are very interesting.
Carol
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JimBoB
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Carol: I went to the web site and read on it, and it sounded good, so I went to the order site, and CHEEZZZZZZ, did you see the price of ONE bottle? $179.00!!!!!!!
NO WAY, that I can ever afford a bottle of that. I will have to research OTHER means of trying to get rid of this pain in the stomach all the time.
Andie333
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When I first started Lyme treatment, it was suggested by my LLMD that I use pH test strips to test the acidity of my urine. I bought my first test strips from her then continued to order them online.
At that time, my pH was 4.5. According to the test kit, my pH was registed in the zone labelled: Dangerous Range. Seek the assistance of a licensed professional.
The range is from 4.00 to 9, with moderate being 6.5 and optimal being 7.0.
I ordered some products from the test strip company to adjust my alkalinity level. I also followed some dietary advice they had.
My pH stayed in the dangerous range for several months.
For the past few months, my pH has shifted between 6.75 and 7.0.
Some of the alkalinizing products were pricey (can't remember just how much) but the strips themselves are pretty inexpensive.
Please know I'm not a doctor and never took a college biology or chemistry class I liked...still, I found this all interesting and helpful.
The site from which I ordered the strips is: www.ph-ion.com
Seven months ago, I was testing my urine each day. I could see it literally shift, depending on the foods I had eaten. Now, I only test several times a week, just to be sure I'm still on the right track.
I hope this is clear and helpful.
Andie
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