SForsgren
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In the two years that I have been coming onto Lymenet, I have learned so much about this disease. Several people have contributed to that knowledge. The most valuable for me personally has been the information that was shared here by GiGi.
I didn't understand it all at first and probably still don't understand all of it today. Her knowledge based on her years of working with Dr. K is really quite amazing. The free-flowing information that she shares here has been incredibly valuable and I have benefited from it in many ways.
Unfortunately, not everyone agrees with the information that she shares and at times she may make a comment or two that people do not like.
I truly believe that her passion for wanting people to get well is deep and very present. I have never seen someone spend the amount of time that she spends on the phone with people, sharing her experiences with so many.
Sadly for me, I understand that she has been banned from Lymenet and is no longer allowed to post. I find this very unfortunate as this cuts of access to information which may further have benefited me or many others here that appreciate what she had to say.
She is one of few people (probably the only one) that fully understands the approaches that Dr. K has used to treat people with chronic illnesses and to me, the information was a lifeline that is now gone.
I am definitely missing her presence here today... I feel like we are all now a little more in the dark than we were when she was here.
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valymemom
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Could not have said it any better, Scott.
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Banned?! What!? What the...?! Posts: 2903 | From AZ | Registered: Feb 2006
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RoadRunner
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it is sad that this happen but there are a lot of people that just can't scroll on by.
then they complain like kids....
she always had great info. I am better today because of her and all the info she gave me.
Do you know why she was kick off here??
RR
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SForsgren
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I may not have all the details but it was something to do with a post that was later removed from the board as far as I can tell (or I cannot find it now) where she made a generalization that there were lots of complainers here and that people were digging their own graves with their negativity.
As to what specific Lymenet rule she violated, I am not sure. I just know what she got an email from Lymenet stating that her ability to post had been removed. I find it very discouraging.
And yet I realize that some people will be happy to hear that she is no longer here to offer an opposing or alternate point of view.
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oxygenbabe
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Why don't you have her email you what she wants to post, and then you compile her emails monthly onto your website as a "Letter from Gigi", and then post the link here?
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hardynaka
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I was wondering where was Gigi in the last days as I saw nothing from her lately.
Scott, thanks for explaining us.
I wonder what's the reason too.
It's the biggest loss in this board. If she's going to be suspended for longer, I think I'll pack my bags and go too!
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Truthfinder
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Good idea, Oxygenbabe, but unfortunately, Scott isn't allowed to post the link to his own website for what is basically a possible `conflict of interest' reason.....
But there is certainly no reason that Scott - or anyone - cannot simply `copy and paste' some ``Letters from Gigi'' right into a new thread on occasion.....
And by the way, I am absolutely shocked and outraged that Gigi has been banned. People remain on this board who have done and said far worse than what Gigi ever posted. What a travesty. She was a genuine asset to LymeNet.
Tracy
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robi
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This is crazy! One of the most helpful folks is banned? Others say and make all kinds of accusations here on Lymenet. What happened to spirited debate?
Please unban Gigi ..........
robi
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just sad, oh sad.
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Foggy
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I don't want to 2nd guess the moderators, but I will say it's VERY important to have Lymies in remission stay & help newbies.
I've seen too many come, find remission, then go back to their busy lives. It's important to stick around, even if transient to help guide newbies. In times of despair, a kinf & sympathetic voice of hope that people do recover can be very reassuring.
Many of us, including GiGi stick around out of the goodness of our hearts. Having Lyme veterans is a privilege, not a right. We're all different cases and no 1 treatment modality works for all of us. Keeping an open mind and ears is essential.
I should also mention that GiGi's emphatic posts appear due to her dedication to wellness, and spreading the gospel. Her bedside manner is at times, direct, but she means well.
This board is about give & take. Unfortunately, many just take. Consequently, I appreciate the Gigi's of this world who give. This should be appreciated and not forgotten.
[ 15. September 2007, 09:41 PM: Message edited by: Foggy ]
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In my opinion, banning someone from a forum should be a thoughtful decision, based on breaking rules and regulations. It should be a final measure to be used only when other options have failed. This is especially the case when someone has been a long-time member who has contributed a lot.
For example, first the member could be requested to follow the rules and regulations. If the member doesn't comply with the request, there could follow a warning. If the member still doesn't comply, he or she could be banned for a short period, let's say a week, to let him or her know it is serious.
I just hope the decision to ban someone permanently is not being taken lightly.
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Too many with an agenda on this site. There's one person that shows up when anyone posts the word rife. Rife word brings out the insanely against anything alternative, proven or not proven. Gigi's posts irrated a small group and she called them Negative Nelly's and they got mad.
Gigi wasn't the guilty one (as far as I seen). But I'm a firm believer in "Every dog will have his(her) day."
I'm sending a post to Lou & all moderators to voice my complaints.
Pam
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5dana8
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this is just pathedic
I am also going to e-mail the moderators.
This really makes me so sad
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I am so in agreement that Gigi SHOULD NOT BE BANNED! It is obvious that many of us have benefitted from her contributions, and should not be denied because there are others who don't agree with the protocol she presents.
I really think it should be explained exactly what rule she broke. If it was calling someone a negative nellie, I would be willing to bet that, while complainants may not have name-called, their comments were more rude and malicious than that!
I have not liked every comment I have read here, or felt that there was merit to every remedy; but I have respected the rights of all to express themselves. As I have gotten to know those whose opinions I don't value, I simply skip over them I have never presumed that my own feelings should be considered over someone else's, denying everyone a chance to hear all and make their own decisions. I don't appreciate that others have been able to do that. I realize that I probably don't have all the facts and apologize if I have been incorrect in my assumptions.
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....Is everybody really sure she got banned?? Unless there was something going on in the middle of the night I wasn't aware of, there wasn't anything in that thread that would upset anybody....If you can't stand griping and sarcasm, internet posting boards are probably not a good place to hang out.
Maybe she just decided to take a breather.
In my experience, and I've been on here since 1998, the quickest ways to get banned other than outright obscenity are;
Prolonged back and forth bickering that could be just as well be done by PM or email
Excessive beating up on LLMDs
Trying to self-moderate by filibustering a topic to death.
Peddling stuff for profit after being warned.
I doubt she did any of that.
Charlie
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SForsgren
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She was contacted by Jenifer, the Webmaster of Lymenet and told that her posting ability has been removed.
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sixgoofykids
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Personally, I don't think anyone should be removed based on one post ... it seems a person should be given a warning. I know on another message board it's three warnings and you're gone.
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Excellent point by Foggy. There are very few active participants in the forum who are adding the point of view of the "healed" and what has worked for them, rather than what is working RIGHT NOW.
GiGi added a different perspective and I'm sorry that those who don't agree with her ideas can't just scroll by. It's very easy to be negative. Try to be courageous, people, and think positively once in a while!
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This is my first post on this board....I just cannot read this thread without also posting in support of GiGi.
Scott, I think you said it very well....I do feel more in the dark without her presence. Its a huge loss to me and to others who are truelly interested in her posts. I have benefited more from the info. she's provided than anything else I've come across.
I am grateful that she gave so much of herself only in the hopes of making it easier for the rest of us.
GiGi's posts are the biggest reason I found this board to be a valuable source of info. for me. Without her contributions there is a huge void for those of us who were learning so much from her experience and knowledge.
Most people who are well do not give so much of themselves...they simply move on. Its a blessing to have someone around who is not only knowledgable but who is also RECOVERED.
I cant understand why there are continuous attacks on someone who has been through it and regained her health...someone who is only here to share what she knows so that we might also find ourselves on that path to wellness.
I have seen much negativity on this board which is the main reason I choose not to participate.
Example: a new thread on IRT...I go in there to see what I can learn and all I see are posts screaming out SCAM...all from people who have never looked into it or tried it themselves. How can people make this judgement without any experience??
Scott, I guess I will wait to see how you do with it.
I have spoken with GiGi on the phone and she is very genuine in her desire to help others. How many people who are recovered dedicate so much of their time helping others??
I read the thread in which GiGi posted in frusteration about this type of negativity. I have to say that I was shocked to learn from email that she was banned. I have witnessed far worse here on this board...and from posters who are not contributing anywhere near what GiGi has given us.
Its very disheartening and I do hope that the moderators reevaluate their decision.
-Rachel
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sixgoofykids
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Rachel has been reading along for a long time ... she is the reason I found I had Lyme.
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i didn't know gigi was banned and disappo9inted too; i don't understand what she is saying but she is extremely HELPFUL to all members. **************************************
here's what i do know so you'll have a little more info on this whole thing. i was involved briefly in this.
i emailed loub/jenifer and this was my subject line with NO body text!
Gigi's post is getting quite heated as of 9-10-07!! check it out please; thx! EOM
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:47:02 -0400
JENIFER SENT ME THIS EMAIL.... ****************************
Too late! I deleted it. It seems like it was a post to bash Gigi.
I already deleted it because a member was saying Gigi should be banned, while another made her dispute with Gigi public.
Other members instigated hostility with saying things like, "The Real Negative Nelly", "Could you point out just where the state of Sedona is?", and "I'm on it!" (when referring to a post about alerting Michaelangelo, Archangel Raphael, etc.). ~~~~~~ Jenifer Stolow [email protected] LymeNet.Org Webmaster LymeDiseaseAssociation.Org Webmaster
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From: Lou Bachmann To: Jenifer Stolow Cc: Betty G
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 6:39 PM Subject: Re: Gigi's post is getting quite heated as of 9-10-07!! check it out please; thx! EOM
Hi there, Well now ... actually have my laptop with me, logged in to check something else and saw these emails.
Took a quick look and the Topic referenced has calmed ... never was that heated.
Suggest we leave it alone and let the conversation continue ... OK? Now ... off for a walk on the beach Later, Lou B
jenifer also informed me to email HER only as lou b is ON VACATION FOR 2 SOLID MONTHS UNTIL SOMETIME IN NOV. 07. *******************
i'm sorry to learn gigi was banned.
my alert to them was with the negativity and name calling in it. nothing more. we have way to much of this on this board.
lymemomtooo
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Gigi should not be banned !!! and I did not see the post but have seen others and she is usually the recipient of way too much dung throwing.
Then she attempts to reply and some just go off on her.
Recently two of our best have been at each other and it has been very stupid and I respect them both but neither should be banned. They need to realize they both are finding the necessary answers and providing all of us with research.. And not nit pick with each other.
If this is because of Betty's post, then I do not see why it caused anyone to get banned. I do not think that was what Betty was fishing for. Just perhaps someone to tone it down.
Please reconsider. Gigi has always helped others and usually got stomped for it. She was a lone voice for a long time that helped many of us thru toxin removal and other rarely discussed matters.
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I didn't see what happened, but I find this very sad.
If I understand this correctly, a group of posters ganged up on Gigi for objecting to their negativity and Gigi was the one who was banned?
It seems perfectly logical that someone who was being ganged up on might become angry and lash out trying to defend themself.
I know that Gigi has often contributed valuable information to threads I have started and I have always appreciated her input.
Though I am personally persuing a different avenue of treatment at present, I have still liked being able to read her perspectives. I know that she has done a lot of research into alternative treatments and I have really appreciated her willingness to share her knowledge.
I do not know what transpired, so I would have to imagine that whatever was said, it must have been immensely hurtful to someone for her to have been banned.
I would really hope that the moderators might be able to work out some kind of agreement to allow her to return. I know she had a lot of people who looked to her for her experience.
It is truly sad when people who have differences in opinion find it necessary to insult each other with personal attacks instead of just rationally debating the things they disagree with and offering evidence to support their viewpoints.
Why can't we all just get along like civilized human beings? Why do we need to attack each other. Aren't there better places we could express our anger/frustrations?
I'll miss you Gigi. Thanks for everything you've contributed. I hope we get to see you back here again.
Ali
PS - From Betty's post, it looks like Lou had assessed the situation as having calmed down. I'm wondering if it got heated again to trigger the ban???
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I've spoken to GiGi on the phone too and we've e-mailed a few times.
She is a very sweet, soft-spoken woman with a German accent. She gave me all the time I needed to ask her the questions I wanted to ask while someone had come to her house and was waiting on her to get off the phone who needed help with their health.
I think part of her "bluntness" is because she is German. (Now don't anybody get upset with me saying that.) She just says it like it is.
Lately she has posted on here a few times a little defensively but I think I would too if I had people constantly making snide remarks about my posts. Those people sure didn't get banned. And its the same 3 or 4 people too.
GiGi isn't perfect either. I didn't agree with her on the post about the KMT when she told Henson that he was having a bad day. No, he wasn't - the lady at Biotools really was rude.
But GiGi loves Dr. K and from everything I've read about him, he truly loves his patients. He isn't out to make money and I believe that is part of the problem with Biotools is they need to put a little effort into staffing it properly.
Didn't mean to get off on that. All I'm saying is it would be nice if we could have some respect on this board.
It gets old listening to those who are abx-only make snide remarks to those who are trying different alternative methods. They really get a big kick out of themselves to see who can be the rudest.
If I was a newbie reading their comments, I don't think I'd be on here long.
quote:Originally posted by SForsgren: Yes, she is direct. Yes, she can be blunt. Yes, she is brilliant. Yes, she is a gift.
That sums it up pretty well! I don't agree with everything she says, but then I also don't agree with everything ANYONE says!
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Aniek
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I think Gigi adds a lot to this forum.
But, I hope the banning wakes some people up. There have been some incredibly nasty postings on this site recently. I am not saying who made the nasty postings, nor am I saying Gigi was one of them. Nor am I saying this banning was right.
Most of us seem to be able to be polite when we disagree. I wish everybody could be polite.
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Boomerang
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I'm so confused??? What happened??? Someone please PM me.
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Gigi is an important asset to Lymenet. There is no set path to healing from Lyme and she offers a different perspective. Maybe it's not to some people's taste but at least it gets you thinking outside of the box which leads to innovation and new treatment.
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I'd like to see Gigi return to lymenet and be able to post her ideas without people bashing each other. We all have various opinions about everything. To be able to discuss everything without knocking the person posting is what we should be able to do here.
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breathwork
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I miss GiGi too....very much.
Carol Ann
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clairenotes
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There are several people on lymenet that offer new (and old, but forgotten) ideas and perspectives on this disease. We really can't afford to lose them.
No one is perfect especially when everything one says is up for debate.
Claire
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hardynaka
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Gigi is the ONLY member of lymenet in true remission that keeps posting, coming from the worst levels of disability back to normal life.
And she's been heathy for years, she comes and offers advice for free for what she had learned.
And then she's banned?
She's German, yes. I live in the Germanic 'world', and people here are DIRECT. They don't go in rounds to say what they think. And I appreciate them for that. It's just another 'culture'.
Aren't we living in globalized world?
I think she should not only be accepted back, but should get excuses for having being banned.
Selma
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Truthfinder
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I certainly hope Lou B or Jenifer will pop in to explain all this....
.....because after what BettyG posted, none of this makes a bit of sense to me at all.
I really don't like to bother the moderators with e-mails unless absolutely necessary, but in this case, I will if I have to.
Tracy
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CaliforniaLyme
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There was a thread about alternative paths of healing, which Gigi had posted. I used to enjoy reading her stuff until about 6 months ago she caleld me a name I find very offensive - "Negative Nelly." I asked her to please not call me that and she ignored me. But I read almost every thread here when I can and so I began to read her thread.
On the thread which had nothing to do with ANYTHING related to me she chose to make a snide, mean, NEGATIVE comment directed at me and and others on another thread- a totally mean, nasty comment wihch had nothing to do with the title of the post!!! It was purely to denigrate others. She had caleld me Negative Nelly months ago and chad conitued to reference it despite my asking her to please leave me alone.
I posted saying that it violated the spiritual theory she was supoposedly posting about, which I know about becauise I have lived part of my life in INdia, and the posting was about a guruji from INdias work- and his lifes work was based on not harming others. Ahimsa. SO I asked her to stop harming me, because she was.
You may not give a heck, but I come on here to read and to help and although I may not agree with alternative therapies I have never made it personal and in fact always told Gigi truthfully that I had always valued her and her posts and did not understood her antipathy toward me- I always LIKED her sincerely until name calling-
I did not in any way ask for her to be banned nor believe she should be.
After I posted I got PMs from people saying she had harassed them the same way.
She may be someone to you, but in the last 6 months she had become to me someone who made mean little comments to me over and over again for no discernible reason.
I was bedridden from this disease and spend every single second of free time in my life to work on Lyme disease.
We are currently boothing our county fair, which I organized, and I spent 7 hours there yesterday talkingw ith the public about lYme disease and handing out pamphlets- and we have 2 newspaper articles going now because of it.
Today I am going for 7 hours again.
Do I deserve to be called "Negative?" I simply asked her to stop calling me negative as I find it deeply offensive to be called that and to be characterized in that way when I spedn every passionate moemnt of my being in service to others that I consider positive.
Being caleld Negative is demeaning and denigrates me.
I LIKED Gigi until 6 months ago. I can't honestly say I like her now, BUT even with my own hurt feelings I KNOW she is of value to others here and would never want her banned.
But I am still hurt.
I am hurt that people here seem to not care about me as a person at all and to care whether or not I am caleld names.
I do not deserve to come here and be called names. Period. Ever.
I would not let it go on in my Lyme support group to anybody else. SO it is not right to have it be done to me.
Perhaps she insisted she would continue to call me names? I don't know. I don't know why she was banned.
But yesterday honestly when I learned she was banned MY FIRST REACTION was relief that I did not have to fear opening a thread with an insult in it for me.
My SECOND was "OH heck, now people will blame ME."
My third was, "I hope she gets to come back soon because she belongs here."
But mean comments about other people on threads which have nothing to do with other people should not belong here- Sincerely, Sarah Olson Aptos, CA
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Truthfinder
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Sarah, I never saw the post where GiGi called you a Negative Nellie. If she did so, that was a mistake for her to do so. I agree with you on that.
But I hate to break this to you - there are number of people on this board who could be called Negative Nellies, and it is a mistake for you to accuse Gigi of specifically referring to you in any subsequent post when in fact the post was a general comment!!
It may FEEL to you like Gigi is referring to you personally, but as I said, there are a number of people I suspect Gigi was referring to in her post.
Gigi has a right - as does everyone - to make general comments about what she perceives as negativity on LymeNet.
I am sorry that you are hurt by this, and I do understand that. But it has gotten to the point that you are distorting the facts, but perhaps not intentionally.
Hey, I've been told on this board that I couldn't find my own butt with a flashlight. Big deal. Tempers get short when we feel deeply about something and disagree. (And by the way, I got my flashlight and checked...... that poster was wrong.)
We do care about you, Sarah. Please do not think otherwise.
Tracy
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clairenotes
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Very well said, Tracy.
Yeah... you just can't have an ego here and expect to survive!! And a sense of humor? Even better.
We have to remember that we all have the same goals and the same good intentions though the paths often differ.
Claire
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I think the moderator or moderators who made this decision owe us an explanation.
Forums are for exchange of information, AND viewpoints.
I don't feel I learn as much if all I am reading is one viewpoint, one side of an issue.
I do not think GiGi should have been removed.
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CaliforniaLyme
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She did specifically call me Negative Nelly but then Cavey kindly pretended it was her (REAL NN thread) in a thread to deflect the negative attention to herself and pluralize it. And this reference in this thread was mentioning not just NN but also death and autopsies which I post because I do the Memorial Page. So that is why I do believe it was directed at me and I had specifically asked her not to use the Negative Nelly reference again because I found it deeply offensive and fundamentally, yes, hurtful. The thread she posted it on- there was no REASON she had to make a mean comment about others- no reason in the world!!! It was not topical!!!
Even so, I don't believe she should be banned nor ever made that suggestion because she is helpful to many people here and I respect that.
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I agree with Tracy. GiGi may have called you Negative Nelly on one post but from all the posts I've read, the people she was talking to aren't on this thread.
I really don't think she was personally talking to you all those times. At least that is not how I read it.
That should make you feel better and I think its wonderful that you do all the things you do for lyme disease. I commend you for it.
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Maybe I am a "Negative Nelson", so refering to me as a "Negative Nelly" is sexist. And I don't believe that the critical examination of various treatments and protocols is negative. In the post that led to the banning, Gigi refered to really sick Lymies not following her wisdom as "whiners busy digging their own graves." That's beyond negative, that's cruel and sadistic, and totally uncalled for. I never asked for GiGi's banning. My guess would be that she offended a man whose daughter is still very sick...stepped on the wrong toe...just a guess.
AliG
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I'm not certain, but from the people I've known of German decent, I think the term "Negative Nelly" is actually intended to be more of an endearing term.
I think it is usually meant more as, "I think of you fondly but I do believe you're being a bit pessimistic." I guess it would depend on the tone that was used as to whether it actually was intended as an insult.
I'm sorry you found her words hurtful, Sarah. I don't think of you as pessimistic. I do sometimes find it hard to read about death from Lyme, that's only human nature. While can be very depressing to think about, sometimes it actually encourages me to fight harder to get well.
Things like that I try to read when I can. On the days that I'm feeling too sensitive, when I know it will impact me negatively, I SOB and try to get back to reading it another day.
I think we all need to stop shooting at our messengers and appreciate them ALL for the valuable information they provide.
From what I've come to know of you, I don't think you would ever expect to have caused someone to be banned by expressing that you took offense to their choice of words. I don't think any of us would.
I'm hoping that maybe the moderators are using this as a time-out, instead of a permanent ban, to show that they disapprove of the way the disagreement was worded. They might be doing that to avoid having an escalation on the board.
I find this whole thing really upsetting because I like each of you and think you ALL contribute very valuable information. I find you, Cave and Gigi to be great assets to this board. I'm sorry you guys had to have hurt feelings between you.
Ali
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Wow, maybe we all need to grow up and act like adults. I thought the purpose of this web-site was to help each other. There is so much bickering here all the time. We all have our own opinons and if you don't agree, just don't read the post. There is no need to insult someone.
I hope GiGi will be able to come back. You don't have to read her posts if you don't want to. It seems to me she is trying to help. Maybe GiGi could attempt to not offend anyone.
Maybe we all need to be a little bit more understanding of each other. If we keep turning on each other what is the point to this web-site.
Kathy
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