If choosing one to take which one would it be? Winding down on Doxy the next few months and want something to take with the doxy and after. Will continue the probiotics and vit d3 long term.
The current OLE thread here makes a strong case for OLE.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I take resveratrol as an antioxidant (also vitamin C, vitamin D, CoQ10, and ALA).
If you're going to be getting off abx, I'd probably take BOTH.
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
Both + Cats Claw + Eleuthero (or a good adaptogen)
Posted by rmsfnc (Member # 27539) on :
Maybe I should rephrase. Which one to take first and then try to add the other one later say a few months down the road.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Why not take both from the beginning? I would, then if you don't feel you need both, drop one later.
I started taking resveratrol before I was better. I had to ramp up on it, so keep that in mind.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Both are far better than either one, alone. But don't limit yourself to just two choices. It's best to work with a formula and remember that rotation and regularly changing formulas is very important.
If at all possible, find a LL ND or L. Ac. or equivalent. They can best determine what your body needs at any particular time and what combinations or formulas are best for a rotation schedule.
The major complementary support protocols are outlined - just scroll half-way down this thread: ---------------------------
Topic: How to find an ILADS-educated lyme literate (LL) professionals in these areas:
Naturopathic doctor (ND); Acupuncturist (L. Ac.), a doctor of Oriental Medicine (O.M.D.), or a doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine (D.Ay.), certified herbalists or nutritionists, . . .
. . . Holistic MDs, and also Doctors of Osteopath (DO) and Doctors of Chiropractic (DC), etc.
�� Includes many professional links, articles and books on complementary / integrative methods - & RIFE links -- all by LL authors.
Also included are basic links explaining the principles of herbal medicine.
BODY WORK considerations (geared to lyme patients) are discussed; with links. -
Posted by rmsfnc (Member # 27539) on :
I've had some issues with supplements causing nausea so I only want to add 1 item at a time. Right now I'm only taking doxy (stopped flagyl pulse as per LLMD since I am doing well) vit d3 since ths was low at last blood test and probiotics.
I tried a milk thistle last night and felt a little nauseas but that could have been from the detox effects. I will try again tonight and see how I feel.
I stopped the following but was taking these consistently through 2-3 months of treatment; ALA Omega 3 Green Tea extract Milk Thistle Multi Probiotics B-50
It got to be too much for me to take on a daily basis and I am feeling better anyway but want to get back to taking the "essentials" and start something to continue after the doxy stops in a few months.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Good point - for clarification - yes, it's correct that starting one at at time -- and taking each one separately is the way to always start out for a few days.
However, there are many different formulas that have been very carefully thought out. And, for some things like milk thistle, other things are sometimes necessary to make that work best is liver stress is an issue.
Milk Thistle, alone, can be a rough ride.
Milk Thistle often does cause nausea, especially if the liver is very stressed. And that is why it's best to have another herb in with milk thistle to balance it out.
There are other liver support herbs that are much easier such as Bupleurum - but it's best in a balanced formula.
From that ND link above, the "Nature" of herbs sections in the Tillotson book (The One Earth Herbal Sourcebook) explains about balancing. ---------------------
[ 12-31-2010, 12:48 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Detoxification herbs caused reactions in me for quite some time. I think Lyme and treatment makes us very toxic and it takes a LONG time to deal with the toxicity.
I have a friend who went through chemo for cancer. Those docs tell them to expect to take as long to get back to normal as they were in treatment. So if we apply that same principle to Lyme treatment, three years of treatment may take three years to completely detoxify.
That's why I never let up with the detoxification. I no longer have those severe reactions, but it seems that if you have them, you still need to deal with toxicity. Make sense?
I would start with the one that you are most drawn to, it's your body telling you what you need most. Then, when you no longer react to it, add the other.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
. . . combine milk thistle seed with dandelion root, artichoke or turmeric root to create a simple yet potent liver tonic which heals, repairs, detoxifies and gently stimulates the liver.
It can also be used in patients who need larger amounts of herbs for serious problems, but are having difficulty processing them if the liver is overwhelmed.
When the liver is overwhelmed it create various symptoms including but not limited to irritability, skin itching, heat sensations, digestive problems, bitter taste in the mouth, fatigue, and the tendency to react negatively to many different drugs or herbs. . . .
HERBS TO HELP THE LIVER -
Posted by lululymemom (Member # 26405) on :
Just be aware the resveratrol(japanese knotweed) is a phyto estrogen.
Posted by rmsfnc (Member # 27539) on :
I ordered the reveratrol. The milk thistle definitely gives me a gall bladder response b/c I can feel it right under my rib cage. It is a mixture that has dandelion root and a few other liver tonic herbs. Natrol brand.
Posted by gatorade girl (Member # 24896) on :
Can you please explain the effects of being a phyto estrogen
Posted by Marz (Member # 3446) on :
Keebler, I was taking the combination of things you mention with the milk thistle until recently.
I switched to NOW's milk thistle which includes only turmeric recently because it was cheaper. Is that enough balance?
I have some of the symptoms you mentioned. Did you mean warmth in the liver area? Also very irritable and tired in spite of eleuthero.
What I think is my liver is uncomfortable. Had a terrible pain there that wouldn't allow me to roll over in bed. I seem to feel worse at night.
And then sometimes, I'm not aware of anything.
Oh, and this all started when I added cat's claw about 3 weeks ago. Had been on the rest of Buhner's core protocol since July before that.
Is Cat's claw hard on the liver?
I need to see a MD, but can't settle on one. Since my Mother died of stomach cancer, but it was found in the liver first, this has me worried.