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Okay, I will start this thread by wishing everybody a positive, healing journey on the path to eradicating chronic Lyme Disease and back to good health.
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I have a salt/C question, if anyone would care to share.
I stopped Samento/Banderol max dose 2x a day, holding, to go to Salt/C instead for Lyme/ parasites- finishing off Levaquin to nail Bart down to goodbye-
Anyway, I am holding only 3.00 gram max salt a day - appropriate vit. C- about 3 weeks in.
And feel like Lyme is really flaring- or is it a herx? I can't tell. Sorry, gross, but I have seen 'slime' from salt/C like I did while on Tindamax (did a lot of Tindy)
Flare or herx? Can't tell. Going to add Col. Silver Spray- Don't want to go back to antibiotics. But not going higher on salt/C dose- holding..
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Your VERY welcome. Believe me, it's "My Pleasure"
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Maya,
As far as the parasites communicating telepathically, I have no proof of this, it's a subjective analysis on my part.
It just made sense to me after much thought. Wondering how Dr. K. came to the conclusion on how parasites control our emotions. I do think he is correct though.
Gael
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Ok I am here now lol
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I know I wonder how dr . K came to this conclusion too, he must have observed it in his patients though, perhaps saw a major difference in a persons thinking and emotions once parasites were eradicated
He may have seen this over and over again with many different patients
I wish he would elaborate on it more though
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surprise,
I do think the "slime" you are experiencing is part of a herx. Mucous is on the symptom list for parasites. When you can, it would be a good idea to add an antiparasitic cleanse to the salt/c.
The salt/c according to lymestrategies kills bb and the cyst form as well. So, you probably will experience a herx that feels like a Lyme flare. This is a very powerful protocol against these pathogens.
Better to keep it slow and steady, so you can continue with tx. If the herxing gets too rough, just take a break until the herx calms down and then resume tx.
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I did find you guys lol
Hey lax mom how are you feeling now today?
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This is the 3rd day since upping my dose of Salt/C. I'm now on 2,000mg Vitamin C daily and 1/2tsp of Real Salt daily.
Still a very low dose and having some major reactions- both good and bad!!
Last night I had a window of about 1 hour where I felt so normal. I was so happy.
My husband started crying and said "I can't believe your back."
I said "Please, let's not waste this time. I know I'll feel like **** again soon. I never get to feel better let's have fun."
We played words with friends and stayed up until 1:00 laughing and talking and I felt good- I actually felt GOOD. It was one of the best times I've had in so long.
Then at about 2 am, I woke up with severe kidney/liver pain. I started having a panic attack when I realized how much pain I was in. It hurt everywhere- muscles cramping like a charlie horse in my whole body.
I thought if I took magnesium and woke up again with the same pain I'd go to the ER.
I woke up again DRENCHED in sweat. Kidney/liver pain much diminished and muscle cramps were better.
Today I am going to get some milk thistle to help with detox.
I am going to wait until later today to take the salt/c and see how I feel
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Maya,
Your Dr. K. analagy makes a lot of sense. Glad you found us also.
Gael
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BAsed on what we are talking about I thought i would post this from Dr. Klinghardt at one of the confrences:
�Dr. Klinghardt has found immense success in treating parasites as a focus. Many that think Lyme is their problem actually are suffering from parasites. The natural sequence is to treat the parasites first and then treat the Lyme. When this is done, years of antibiotic therapy turns into weeks or months. �Parasite patients often express the psyche of the parasites - sticky, clingy, impossible to tolerate - but a wonderful human being is behind all of that. �We are all a composite of many personalities. Chronic infections outnumber our own cells by 10:1. We are 90% "other" and 10% "us". Our consciousness is a composite of 90% microbes and 10% us. Our thinking, feeling, creativity, and expression are 90% from the microbes within us. Patients often think, crave, and behave as if they are the parasite. Our thinking is shaded by the microbes thinking through us. The food choices, behavioral choices, and who we like is the thinking of the microbes within us expressing themselves. �Patients will reject all treatments that affect the issue that requires treating. Patients will not guide themselves to health when the microbes have taken over. �Viruses in the nervous system are likely not the cause of CFS. They are certainly often present, but when treated, the patient may only get a little better. The two main causes are parasites (mainly lungworm) and chronic nasal staph infection. These nasal infections enter the hypothalamus which then leads to suppression of MSH. One's level of fatigue and level of MSH are directly related. MSH is depressed by bacteria and mycotoxins. �Parasite treatment may be needed for 6 months to a year. �Parasites induce changes in our system to make us a comfortable host.
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And this:
Dr. Simon Yu - Parasites
�When the latest medical therapies fail, think dental issues and parasites. �Dr. Yu uses EAV testing / Acupuncture Meridian Assessment to gain information about stressors in the body. �Unsuspected dental problems may be a significant factor impacting health - amalgams, root canals, TMJ, galvanism, implants, heavy metals, bonding materials, metal allergies, and microorganisms. �Dr. Yu sees amazing shifts in EAV testing results after parasite treatment. He rarely uses antibiotics. �Strongyloides is a common microfilarial worm. Could it be to blame for brain lesions? CCSVI? �Cancer may be related to dental issues, parasites, heavy metals, and unresolved emotions. �Most parasites are outside of the intestinal tract. They are deceptive, adaptive, and difficult to eradicate. �Parasites bring bacteria, viruses, and fungi with them. �Deworming horses regularly is known to increase their lifespan. Deworming is a good anti-aging therapy. �Parasites are like your children that don't leave the house. �You can get parasites from inhaling parasite eggs. �Dr. Yu does not put people on nutritional supplements until the parasites are purged. �Parasites can control your mind. �Clove oil may be helpful. Black Walnut, Wormwood, Artemisia, and Citrus Seed may be useful. �Dr. Yu is not convinced that zappers will work for parasites. �He uses longer, higher doses of anti-parasite medications than what is described in the PDR. He also uses combination therapy.
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how parasites actually do this mind controling i don't know, but according to the good sources i posted above, they do do this
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dayinise,
So glad you at least had an hour of feeling good. FYI, the folks at lymestrategies talk about kidney and liver herxes. It is a sign that the pathogens are being attacked.
Maybe take an even smaller dose of salt/c (maybe half) today, or give it a break until tommorrow if you are still herxing.
PACE NOT RACE is the theme for salt/c and will help you go the distance with staying on this protocol.
Drinking coconut water that is high in potassium will also help your kidneys and keep your electrolytes in balance. Make sure you drink pleanty of water when taking salt/c.
Hope you feel better,
Gael
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quote:Originally posted by Maya12: Breaking up For easier Reading.
BAsed on what we are talking about I thought i would post this from Dr. Klinghardt at one of the confrences:
�Dr. Klinghardt has found immense success in treating parasites as a focus. Many that think Lyme is their problem actually are suffering from parasites.
The natural sequence is to treat the parasites first and then treat the Lyme. When this is done, years of antibiotic therapy turns into weeks or months.
�Parasite patients often express the psyche of the parasites - sticky, clingy, impossible to tolerate - but a wonderful human being is behind all of that.
�We are all a composite of many personalities. Chronic infections outnumber our own cells by 10:1. We are 90% "other" and 10% "us". Our consciousness is a composite of 90% microbes and 10% us.
Our thinking, feeling, creativity, and expression are 90% from the microbes within us. Patients often think, crave, and behave as if they are the parasite.
Our thinking is shaded by the microbes thinking through us. The food choices, behavioral choices, and who we like is the thinking of the microbes within us expressing themselves.
�Patients will reject all treatments that affect the issue that requires treating. Patients will not guide themselves to health when the microbes have taken over.
�Viruses in the nervous system are likely not the cause of CFS. They are certainly often present, but when treated, the patient may only get a little better.
The two main causes are parasites (mainly lungworm) and chronic nasal staph infection. These nasal infections enter the hypothalamus which then leads to suppression of MSH.
One's level of fatigue and level of MSH are directly related. MSH is depressed by bacteria and mycotoxins.
�Parasite treatment may be needed for 6 months to a year. �Parasites induce changes in our system to make us a comfortable host.
Thanks For Posting Maya. Always good to hear what Dr. K. has to say. Good Find!
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quote:Originally posted by Maya12: And this:
Maya,
Can you break up these posts to make it easier for people with neuro Lyme to read, Thanks so much for the info
Dr. Simon Yu - Parasites
�When the latest medical therapies fail, think dental issues and parasites. �Dr. Yu uses EAV testing / Acupuncture Meridian Assessment to gain information about stressors in the body.
�Unsuspected dental problems may be a significant factor impacting health - amalgams, root canals, TMJ, galvanism, implants, heavy metals, bonding materials, metal allergies, and microorganisms.
�Dr. Yu sees amazing shifts in EAV testing results after parasite treatment. He rarely uses antibiotics.
�Strongyloides is a common microfilarial worm. Could it be to blame for brain lesions? CCSVI? �Cancer may be related to dental issues, parasites, heavy metals, and unresolved emotions.
�Most parasites are outside of the intestinal tract. They are deceptive, adaptive, and difficult to eradicate.
�Parasites bring bacteria, viruses, and fungi with them. �Deworming horses regularly is known to increase their lifespan. Deworming is a good anti-aging therapy.
�Parasites are like your children that don't leave the house. �You can get parasites from inhaling parasite eggs. �Dr. Yu does not put people on nutritional supplements until the parasites are purged. �Parasites can control your mind.
�Clove oil may be helpful. Black Walnut, Wormwood, Artemisia, and Citrus Seed may be useful. �Dr. Yu is not convinced that zappers will work for parasites.
�He uses longer, higher doses of anti-parasite medications than what is described in the PDR. He also uses combination therapy.
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shoot forgot to break it up
also daynise, i have been getting some horrible liver and kidney pain lately as well as chest type pain and full body cramping, just like what you are getting
this was happening a few days ago, felt like it was hard to walk and my muscles were so tight that i was uncoordinated
i have been on the humaworm now for about 2 weeks and these symptoms seem to have passed for now
before i started on the humaworm the incoordination was getting really bad to the point where it felt like i was going to loose my ability to walk or use my hands
thank gosh these symptoms have passed for now, but i must be on the right track since only the humaworms seems to have made them go away
hope it will pass for good for you soon
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yes this pretty well sums up what we have been talking about with regards to the mind control and of course this is from a very good source
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Maya: I have a bit more energy today. In fact, I've been awake going on 4 hours now!
Like daynise, I too was exposed to well water, twice in approx 2001. I got so sick both times with vomiting/diarrhea I had to go to the hospital.
I never connected the contaminated well-water to parasites.
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I wonder about this too, both drinking well water and swimming in a lake at my cottage since I was a child, I never got sick that I know of directly but I certainly was exposed
Also seems like many of us have been exposed to animals for a long time, like myself, my husband and I rescue stray animals
Of course we vet them and deworm them regularly but I have still been exposed I am sure, I also love to garden and apparently you can even pick them up out of the soil
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Have you seen any evidence lax mom?
Glad you are feeling a bit better today
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Here is my short intro. Welcome comments on what people think too. At present I am on A-P by Byron White and some Buhner herbs, that's all.
Probably had bart since childhood, possibly Lyme and cos as well. No idea about parasite exposure but grew up with cats, dog, birdm fish, as well as horses in teenage years. Plenty of exposure in long grass. No bullseye until 1996. Strange intermittent CNS symptoms would appear but never disabling or long lasting until I had a baby in 2005. Have travelled to Africa and Mexico.
Then dx and began treatment for bart and Lyme with LLMD (a little babesia) in 2007.
I did have herxes, but no gains followed those herxes. Symptoms are believed by LLMD to be "bartonella" but bart treatment did not help after initial improvements (although it produced hideous herxes).
It feels like my immune system does not know what to do, or that something is blocking it from working.
So far A-P has produced more frequent bowel movements and some hand tremors. I do have the Dr K protocol (RX) here and am supposed to start it. Am thinking about Humaworm instead.
Thoughts are welcome.
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Daynese, your 1 hour of normal brought tears to my eyes. I can't believe we are all going through this because doc's are missing parasites!!! *#?! Hang in there!
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I second what cat girl said
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Yup -- me too. Imagine!
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hey catgirl have you been having some symptom improvements on the parasite killers?
what symptoms have backed off for you?
and CD 57 how long have you been treating parasites or have you yet?
sounds like you and lax mom and i have very similar symptoms
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quote:Originally posted by CD57: It feels like my immune system does not know what to do, or that something is blocking it from working.
You hit the nail on the head CD57! That's exactly how I feel, just never had the words to explain it.
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It's pretty mindboggling that SOOOO many highly educated doctors missed this co-infection. Including the Lyme Disease center at Columbia.
What's really upsetting is that Willy Burgdorfer found ADULT FILARIAL WORMS in the original ticks he dissected and as an ASIDE found spirochetes!!
They all jumped on the bb bandwagon and totally ignored this finding and pumped years and years of abx in unsuspecting patients that are chronically ill. The IDSA also is missing these facts as well.
The doctors in this country think that parasites are a third world problem and it rarely exists here. One fact they got right is bb is not that difficult to eradicate and hence the argument in the medical community.
Hopefully they will catch on now given the recent presentation by Dr. H. at the lyme conference declaring that parasites are now considered the number one co-infection.
If not, they go into the category of dumb and dumber. Sorry for the rant, but people are dying and suffering because of this ignorance.
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hey Lax mom, i know you mentioned that you had anxiety and derealization etc.
do you still have these symptoms, any ocd type thoughts? or dark thoughts as Gael mentioned, any depersonalization?
are these symptoms gone now?
and yes it feels like my immune system just doesn't work anymore either and this is rediculous since i am only 32.
i think it is just so plauged and worn down by the bugs and parasites
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Maya, nope I haven't done the stuff you guys have or are doing, just yet. I am on A-P and have the Dr K abx protocol in my cabinet. Have been too chicken to start it! May start with Humaworm first or see what happens on the A-P.
Would like to hear others' histories?
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i ssume we reach a point where the loads of everything and the toxins they produce or pick up and hold onto (heavy metals) eventually do shut the immune system down
but if we lower the load of all of this can we get the immune system to work again?
i sure hope so
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Daynise: "Beyond these two exposures, I have been bitten by approximately 215 ticks."
HOLY COW!
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CD57,
Since you asked for feedback, I would start with Humaworm or Parastoy and maybe salt/c. I am not against the pharma drugs, but given the fact it can take a long time to eradicate these parasites, the herbs and salt/c are reported to work just as well and are nourishing to the body.
Sea salt and vitamin C are also very supportive of the adrenal glands.
Keep us posted.
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Gael...what's your opinion on the coinfections then....ie; babs, bart? Are they truly coinfections to parasites?
What do you make of them causing many people to have such a hard time? We hear of years of treatment with Mepron etc.
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Maya: depersonalization-yes, scary thoughts-yes in the past, OCD type thoughts-yes.
The derealization and depersonalization are completely gone. It's all anxiety...but I think the cause is an inflamed brain and nervous system due to all of these bugs.
I'm only 38, so my immune system should not be shot either.
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CD57,
According to Dr. K. the co-infections are much easier to eradicate once the parasites are elimated.
I haven't needed anything else to get rid of the other infections except salt/c and antiparasitics. Coconut oil, extra cloves, HCL Digestive enzymes have all been good adjuncts for me.
Gael
Datnise,
Curious as to how you would count out 215 ticks???
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LAX mom....so glad that the DP went away for you. Would you believe I have this 24/7 with brief windows of not? For me it seems directly related to infection and perhaps toxins....it appeared 2 months into abx treatment, spiked horribly on IV, and never left!
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Gael, Tammy....SO sorry to ask you guys this again...but could you post your histories/chronologies (dx and treatment) also, so we have them in place for reference?
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Hey lax mom how long have you been treating and what have you treated so far?
You are so luckey those sx are gone, this comes and goes for me , but are always there to some extent , have been a bit better lately since starting the anti parasitics
Any idea what got the dp and dr to go? Ie what meds? Or what infections treated got these symptoms to go?
Do you still have the OCD thoughts with the anxiety?
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Could parasite tx get rid of the depersonalization and derealization and dark anxious thoughts?
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Maya, unfortunately, I have had to go really slow with parasite treatment. I couldn't take humaworm (gave me uti symptoms, which was probably die off, but I wasn't on abx).
So, I've been doing salt c, some cloves in water, A-P and DE. Also two rounds of parasite meds (iver, bilt, alinia, etc). But the med treatments were a couple of months apart. They knocked the parasites back a bit, and gave me energy while I was on them (nice), but the energy didn't last very long once I was done with the meds.
I feel better on the salt c though, so it's a keeper. But I'm also in the middle of removing my amalgams right now. So, I think maybe I should back off a bit? I don't know. I'm going to get someone to art test me so I will know how to proceed. Right now, I'm just guessing. And the metals are getting to me. :(
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Maya, I forgot to thank you for posting the Dr. K info above (nice to have handy)! Gail, thanks for spacing it out too, I usually skip over big paragraphs that are single spaced--hurts my eyes).
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So well water can cause parasites!? Really? We have well water, so now what should I do? Oh man this just freaks me out,yuk!
Maya, do you also do enemas to help with getting the parasites out? Are you still seeing them? Are you talking anything to bind the metals that they carry?
This is all so confusing to me right now, feel so overloaded and cannot get my brain to function properly, cannot get it. Can anyone explain it as if I was a child? I tried reading Dr K protocol and was horribly overwhelmed and stopped reading and just gave up with it.
Sorry just frustrated right now, don't understand why I feel worse than this time last year. I was doing projects around the house,painting, mudding sanding. I even stained our deck! WTH!
I have a phone follow up the end of this month and I plan to talk about treating parasites and getting checked for genetic problems. Thanks for any input, dee
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BBime, maybe you want to try cholestyramine?
I also want to get checked for genetic problems. Could be part of this.
CATGIRL, what is your history of treatment, etc? Have you felt better on anything?
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Hey bb , yes I do also do warm water enemas and use chia seeds and bentonite clay
And cat girl what symptoms do you have?
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