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I had a very oily (but clear) discharge from my back, neck, and face when I first started zith. Sounds a bit like what you say.
It cleared up over time. For a bit, I took individually wrapped anti-acne face pads with me when out so that I could clean my face on the go.
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Yes, I had that - it's from Bartonella. I know exactly what you're talking about and it is gross. Zith hits Bart to an extent, so you're probably shaking them up a bit, hence this new symptom.
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Ahhh. Makes sense! My LLMD does think we have Bart due to symptoms but we have all tested neg. so far. I do think I have it though.
So thick sweat is a Bart symptom? I can't help but feel that its just clogging up all my pores so that I can't detox properly. I keep drinking more and more water, thinking that will lessen the sticky thickness of it. And yes, it's clear... but it's like a constant thick sheen. Just not normal!
What other drugs hit Bart? Anything that will hit Bart and Lyme and possibly Myco at the same time? I don't remember having this symptoms the last time I tried Zith (Zith was one of the first abx I started on, after Amox I think) But maybe I did and it wasn't quite so noticeable.
Well at least someone knows what I'm talking about.
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I've never known it to be a bart symptom. Could be.. but it is not in any literature I've seen.
But I've had the slyme sweat, years ago. It is right gross.
You need to bathe it off as often as possible so it won't reabsorb. Drop your clothes... take a 2 minute shower and re-dress.
And I know.. you're not long out of the shower and it is starting all over again.
Yulk!
The first way your body detoxes is by sweating.
The second way it rids you of toxins is through your sinuses.
I use to wonder if the sinus stuff was coming out my pores.
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You hit the nail on the head Tincup... it's only minutes when I get out of the shower that the sticky sweat comes right back.
eww... what an awful thing to think of.. but it sure does feel like sinus gunk coming out of the pores.
Yeah.. gonna go shower again lol
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Dr. Singleton lists it in "The Lyme Disease Solution" as a symptom of Bartonella. He calls it something like, "thick, sticky sweat." So he basically uses your words exactly.
The bartonella/babesia symptoms questionnaire that is somewhere on this site lists that under Bart. That list is pulled from Singleton's book.
I'd say it's definitely Bart. I believe that Zithromax hit my strain of Bart, which was Bartonella Henselae (confirmed by blood tests). Never got the sticky sweats, but Zithromax caused other really random Bart symptoms to show up unexpectedly for me.
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Didn't mean to gross you out there icky ticky.... HA!
Hey Hoose...
Thanks for sharing the source.
I do wonder though....
Is it Bart causing the sticky sweats... or the herxing on a Bart med..
Or a specific med that does it, for bart or what if you are coinfected?
Interesting how Zith was mentioned each time so far.
Mine happened too, I believe, if I remember correctly, while taking Zith.
I ask because others with bart who are NOT taking zith... who I know personally....
Are not reporting it while treating Bart with other drugs. Not that I've questioned all of them.. but that would usually be something they would mention.
So it would be nice to connect it to something specific... the Bart... the Zith and Bart.. or whatever... if possible?
Just another one of the mysteries surrounding tick borne infections.
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Hmmm, not sure. But he lists it on his "checklist" for Bart, so I'm assuming he sees it in some of his bartonella patients, even before he treats them.
Hard to know though. I've never had it with or without Zith. Just one of those mysteries I guess.
Here's the checklist for those who haven't seen it...the sweats are the third symptom. The only reason I remembered it was that it seemed very unusual!
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I didn't mention that I have a clinical Bart dx, but all negative tests.
I did sporadically get this before treatment/zith (like it would happen every day for a week, but then stop for months).
It was worse on treatment, but it seemed to work its course and I no longer experience this.
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I had this too - super gross! Makes one want to live in the shower.
Ugh.
It didn't happen to me on Zith though - happened when we were using other bart meds - either Levaquin or Rifampin, I think?
Oh, and I think it happened on a Bactrim/Biaxin combo, too - which was supposed to be hitting the bart as well.
And of course - Biaxin is similar to Zith - so there you go. Lots of confusion and too much information.
Anyway - my LLMD mentioned Singleton's list as well, and said that she sees other patients with the sticky icky sweats.
It did pass, though, so hang in there.
(In the meantime, maybe you can outfit your shower with a chair, Ipod, and just hang out in there?!)
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I know most people don't want to believe they have worms, but most likely they do especially if immunocompromised.
Nematodes (worms) secrete a sticky substance in order to anchor themselves to a substrate (media) The female worms will spray the sticky substance when they are threatened. Could this be the sticky goo/biofilm people experience?
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Ugh... glm.
Yes, I believe we all have parasites. And honestly, I have what I FEEL is like a parasite in my sinus.
It's like I feel something in there sometimes moving around, tickling.. it creeps me out. I also get the same feeling in my lower eyelid. I will run to the mirror to see if I can see anything squirming in there, that's how bad it gets sometimes.
I only mentioned it once to my LLMD and he mentioned something at the back of the brain that can make you feel things like that? Or.. something like that. So the words "parasite" never left my mouth... although I'm sure he is aware of the connection of parasites and Lyme.
I did a round of HumaWorm about 9 months ago. I didn't notice anything at all really. I'm about to start making my own tincture of clove, wormwood and black walnut hulls. I'm just waiting on my aunt to mail me the Black Walnuts as soon as they start falling.
Very interesting about the nematodes.... *shiver*
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Not all LLMDs are aware of the parasite connection. You really have to keep going after the parasites persistently with whatever antiparasitics you choose.
Just keep rotating the herbs so you don't build up resistance. Good for you for making your own tincture.
If you can tolerate some salt in water, they might let go because they can't stand it. Good Luck,
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glm... I've also started using a sinus rinse (Netti Pot) with salt water.
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Excellent Icky....
I used to spray sterile saline up my nose (from the drug store)Netti Pot is better. Have you noticed any changes in your sinuses with it yet?
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According to the American Academy of Dermatology, sweat is 55 to 60 percent fluid, mostly water. Sweat also contains sodium chloride (salt) and tiny amounts of other substances, including potassium, calcium, lactic acid and phosphorus. When these substances exist in fluid they are called electrolytes and help regulate the balance of fluids in the body. Sodium chloride and phosphorus cause sweat to sting the eyes upon contact and also give it its salty taste. Sweat also contains trace amounts of such waste products as ammonia and urea.
There are two types of sweat-producing glands:
Eccrine glands. These glands are located throughout the skin, but the highest concentrations are found in the palms of the hands, soles of the feet and forehead. Eccrine glands open directly to the pores in the skin. They are active throughout a person's life and produce sweat when a person is hot, stressed or feeling strong emotions. Eccrine glands are the most abundant type of sweat gland.
Apocrine glands. These sweat glands become active when a person reaches puberty. Apocrine glands connect to the skin through hair follicles. They are located in areas with many hair follicles, concentrated in the underarms and genital region, with some on the scalp and around the nipples. Sweat from apocrine glands is mixed with fatty acids and proteins to produce a thick, oily sweat when a person is under stress or experiencing strong emotions. All fits with lyme
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