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Why arent Milk Thistle and Mepron good together? I assume Malarone and Milk Thistle not okay too?
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do a search for more links.. this one doesn't really explain why
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nonna05
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anybody else???/Mepron and ??????/ My LLMD just said to take it with some oil/fat....not another word about supplements./
I thought the fat was to coat gut from harshness. Some here seem to indicate it's to help it work.. so does that mean the more the better???
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i did biaxin (is that you mean?) for a long time.
no side effects.
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- Whether milk thistle is taken or not, or taken away from certain Rx, some forms of liver support MUST be employed all during treatment - in order to protect the liver and help it work better for us (also helps reduce herxheimer reactions).
There are many other things for liver support such as dandelion, burdock, bupleurum . . .
Since liver support generally helps the liver better process waste, certain medicines can also be pushed through too soon and the therapeutic Rx dose might be hard to keep even.
Still, as infection and many of the drugs used can damage the liver, it is absolutely imperative to address liver support - somehow. The methods or timing may just need to be adjusted.
Liver support is also vital to help protect the whole ear system which can be damaged from lyme and from certain Rx as well.
Liver support helps to reduce the total toxic body load - and that helps less toxins hit the tender inner / middle ear system. -
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quote:Originally posted by laurie sm: Why arent Milk Thistle and Mepron good together?
Mepron works by oxidizing the babesia. You don't want to take antioxidants like milk thistle, which will make the medication less effective.
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I was instructed not to take COQ10 while on Mepron -- it lessens the efficiency of Mepron somehow I am told.
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Yes, CoEnzyme Q10 is an antioxidant too.
Also, there is something about the metabolism pathway that the liver uses when processing these medications and supplements.
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I've been on milk thistle and malarone for months.
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Milk thistle lowers the concentration of mepron and malarone.
Too expensive to waste!
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Can someone show me a medical reference to this? I'm sorry but I don't buy it.
Atovauone is extremely hard on the liver so milk thistle is a MUST.
Per dr S, you should not take aLA with atovaquone
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- LIVER SUPPORT detail in this thread. -------------
Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees.
You can compare and contrast many approaches.
BASIC HERBAL EDUCATIONAL links, etc. -
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My LLMD said to space the milk thistle away from Mepron or Malarone.
I only take the milk thistle once daily 6 hours between dosages.
There are mixed opinions about this. I did check with other patients of some well-known LLMDs. They were using silymarin (milk thistle) with Mepron and/or Malarone....spaced apart, of course.
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Isn't a lot of what we take antioxidant, Like vit C, Juicing multi etc....so yes or no mepron and milk thistle??? Biaxin??/
I was at docs yesterday,,, they were more worried about lungs.. Shouldn't this be a new post.?
since starting last treatment and now worse
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now computer is as jumpy and spacey as me/started zith,rifampin, doxy/omnicet., valtrex,,,,few days ago mepron, biavin/zith, omniceft
Thight chest, wheezing, swollen gland. short breath..Was just back to se doc. Friday said lungs sound clear...so why can I hear a wheeze, swollow hard, or like going down wrong pipe. shortness of breath etc., or feels like pill is stuck several hurs after anything?
Moderators feel free to use the part as 2nd post if would be better... Wasn't sure if meds, babesia, ot whatever. Thanks, Nonna....Lord I pray I can get to the meeting today.....
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nonna05
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Now I have this mixed with what's OK with Meprhon and Biaxam sp? on another post..Seems like info crosses both??? Just do it unless doc said not to??? They are in such a hurry, I think they think we know this stuff off the top of our heads. Nonna
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- Nonna,
Just a thought about the trios of flashing gremlins. I know you are very fond of their company in most of your posts. Many others also enjoy using them.
On the flip side, many here are very sensitive to flashing. I can't read your posts with anything that flashes.
Now, you can probably do just fine without my input, but if they tip me off my chair, as lyme and other TBD often cause eye and balance problems, the flashers may also be limiting the number of replies you will get to your questions.
I totally understand the desire to express emotions here with a flash of style (and that is what the emoticons are here for), so use them if you like, of course. However, if you have important questions that don't seem to get any answers, the speedy demons - especially en masse - might explain it. -
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nonna05
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THANKS ,YOU'RE RIGHT... iT'S JUST ONE OF THE VERY FEW "FUN" THINGS FOR ME...sorry
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Caution should also be taken when using milk thistle with medications that are broken down by the same liver enzymes due to possible decreased drug efficacy. Medications in this category include allergy drugs, cholesterol-lowering drugs, anti-anxiety drugs, anti-platelet and anticoagulant drugs, and certain cancer drugs.
Research by Venkataramanan R, Ramachandran and V. Komoroski BJ, et al. reveal that recent experiments using milk thistle and human liver cells indicate that even small concentrations of milk thistle may significantly slow down the activity of the liver enzyme cytochrome P450 3A4 (CYP3A4) from 50 to 100 percent. Caution should be taken when using milk thistle with anti-parasite drugs such as Mepron, and sedatives/sleeping pills such as Ativan, due to possible decreased bioavailability and drug efficacy.
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