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Is there any evidence that Lyme or any one of the co-infections likes to hang out in the lymph system including lymph nodes, peyer's patches? If you should have refereces for your opinon please provide them if you can.
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Carmen if you google
Bartonella and lymph
you will find a ton of documentation.
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- Same for a cross search for: Borrelia, Lymph
Lymphoadenopathy during Lyme Borreliosis Is Caused by Spirochete Migration-Induced Specific B Cell Activation
Excerpts:
Lymphadenopathy is a hallmark of acute infection with Borrelia burgdorferi, a tick-borne spirochete and causative agent of Lyme borreliosis . . . .
. . . Borrelia evades the immune . . . .
. . . Together, these findings suggest a novel evasion strategy for B. burgdorferi: subversion of the quality of a strongly induced, potentially protective borrelia-specific antibody response via B. burdorferi's accumulation in lymph nodes.
- full article at link above. -
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- Spirochetes have the ability to literally spring and burrow wherever they want, even into bone.
They do not have to use the blood vessels to move. They can go through any tissue in the body, as the "crow flies" so to speak.
They hate heat, cold, noise, vibration, certain chemical attacks (and other things) and will burrow more deeply to try to evade "disturbances" -- and also go into cyst form as a protection.
So, where ever they happened to have "sprung" to when they decide they are still being attached, irritated or, for whatever other reason, "decide" to go into cyst form, they can do that anywhere in the body. Anywhere at all. All the while, evading detection with their sly methods.
The cyst form can come open later with even more spirochetes than before.
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I deal with swollen knee joints. I tried lymphatic drainage massage and found that it greatly eases the discomfort for a couple weeks afterwards. So yes, the lymph system could use some assistance too with Lyme.
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Ok. thanks for the replies and im chewing through all the info i can find. This lyme stuff is largely new to me.
So Im working with ozone therapy. Ozone kills spirochetes...not sure how it does with cysts.
If you vaginally insufflate ozone gas the gas migrates through all the female reproductive organs but it especially moves into the lymph system. The body can manage a large amount of ozone when applied this way so an ozone application can be run for a hour.. but I will be careful at first to see if it causes a herx. I'll be adding this to my protocols.
Sorry guys, this one is not for you.
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Carmen, I assume that you have read this, now fairly old, article?
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ukcarry, B. White is in that older article, liked this part: (copied)
“As you heal and work on yourself it will be natural to have days that are worse and better,” explains Dr. White. “It is also common to have emotional responses triggered by the healing and detoxification cycles.
It is natural to release what I call emotional toxins as well as physical toxins through this process. That gives us an opportunity to grow and heal in new ways.”
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I'm glad that this resonated with you, Surprise. I think he is right too.
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Stephen Buhner talks about clogged lymph nodes when undergoing treatment and recommends using Red Root for this.
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