Axel, Gigi has been very helpful to alot of us I really feel that it is important for us to be able to help each other lately we have been hurting instead. Everyone must do what they feel is best for them she hasn't pushed her beliefs since I have been here but she does present alot of alternative treatments.
Can we give peace a chance?
Take care
and read all the articles as they are indicated on the top of the first page when you arrive. All the info is the most updated research. Dr. Boyd Haley is Registered Scientist of Record for the U.S. Congress testifying on autism. No doubt he knows what he is talking about.
Both my husband and I were victims of "modern dentistry" ---- and if I had to do it again, I would pull and c l e a n o u t the nasty tooth and go for a well made partial that you can have for years.
I attended a conference recently where the inventor of Cavitat, Bob Jones, who works closely with Dr. Boyd Haley said it clear and loud: Among the hundreds of root canal teeth that he has tested, he has not found one healthy one.
The toxins a root canal develops over time are the worst brain toxin known to man (mercaptans and thioethers) - it interacts with other body tissues, liver tissues, proteins change into new foreign proteins not natural to us and get attacked by the immune system =
allergies, and a lot lot more.
That said, I would read and learn and use common sense. A lymed body is already in trouble; as Mimi indicated, the infections, all infections live in the jaw and jaw bone also. That's what makes it so difficult to get rid of them. If you decide to lose the tooth, make sure that when the tooth is pulled, the area is reamed out very thoroughly into the bone. No clue how a dentist would express that in technical terms.
You are the doctor. Do the right thing.
Best of luck.
P.S. Axelrose, I have served this site for nearly five years and have given all I have from the knowledge gained, mainly due to a most generous doctor, my own. I really don't need you to speak for me, and I would call it bad etiquette on a board like this. Let's mind our manners a bit more. I am glad you are informed.
Maybe I am blind, but I do not see the name of a doctor spelled out in Haply's post.
We ("you guys") didn't bannish docdave from this board for misconduct. Dave's misconduct got him bannished. Yes, it is a shame but it is also time to move on from this topic. Can't undo it now.
Dave: Have you been to an Endodontist for a second (or third) opinion? Many Endodontists are pretty conservative about root canals and can do testing to see if the root is still alive, well and not infected. I saw an Endodontist who also treats some Lyme patients, at my dentist's urging. He determined that a crown could save the tooth and root for now. Half my tooth was missing from an old cavity and then a large crack that caused the tooth to split. The crown I have seemed to stop the pain and I don't seem to have any infection - has been 2 months so far. It did cost a bundle though.
Good luck.
Bc
I won't know more about my own case until
Thursday. If you go to the web, type in
Biological Dentistss, and I believe that there will be a listing of those, hopefully
in your area.
Dave, I did a quick search, so here:
http://www.talkinternational.com/mfdsindex1.htm
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I thought i would give you my own personal experience to help you make an informed decision. Please don't take this as medical advice, just my own personal experience that I try to convey when I see these questions come up because I almost lost my life because of a root canal.
I don't want to sound dramatic or scare you, but If I had known what I know now my life would be a bit different today. This all happend before anyone knew that I had lyme disease.
The brief story is that I had a root canal on a tooth that broke and fell out while I was eating one day. It was a my general dentist who performed the procedure.
The tooth continued to be painful and I asked my dentist about this - he said that was impossible because there was no root left. It festered for another 8 months until I realized there was an infection there. He put me on antibiotics and It seemed to settle down a bit. I
went to an endodontist because I knew something wasn't right though. The endodontist took a look at it and found remaining tissue that had not been taken out the first time and he did another root canal. Two days later I was a quadripeliigic. I had come down with a disorder called guillan-barre syndrome and this was due to the bacteria and infection in my tooth/jaw going right to my brain.
I said i made a miraculous recovery (still can't walk properly though, but I'll get there), but I honestly don't know how often this happens to others. My LLMD knew that I had four more teeth that needed root canals and he told me to have them pulled instead. I have had 2 pulled so far and am doing the next two when I can find a good biodentiist.
I wish you the best finding a solution to this problem.
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best regards and blessings,
paisley
I had a bad root canal in a big molar removed last week as it was causing me lots of pain, and was obviously toxic. The dentist said at the time that the tooth root was into my sinuses, and noted that once he pulled it out that there were actually 2 holes between my sinuses and my mouth. Now, I can feel a tiny bit of air crossing between the 2 areas, my month and my sinuses. Like when talking and even a small amount of suction is created during speech, or if I make any sort of slight sucking motion while eating.
This is weird and I am wondering what this means. Will this have to be repaired? If so, how is this done? Does this ever heal up by itself?
The root removal was last Thurs. Is it too early to tell if this will resolve on it's own?
The dentist told me at the time of the extraction that he typically does not see patients back for follow-up after this procedure, but since I had these holes, I have to return for follow-up 2 weeks post procedure.
If this needs repair, who does it, a dentist, or an ENT?
Frankly, I have been scared to call the dentist to report this. Should I?
Thanks!
welcome back
I have 7 root canals and 3 wisdom teeth. A DDS in NY told me I had to have all but 8 teeth removed. This seems drastic, but my sx are drastic, too.
My LLMD recommended Cavitat, but I read questionable things about that. What does one to do?
I have to admit I was considering it until I read Docdave's input and my walking has gotten worse on abx. INPUT PLEASE?! Everybody, Anybody?
Thanks!
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sinus infections of the midface go right to the brain and can cause serious infections and encephalitis.
must be on second abx also prior to surgery, clydamycin or keflex for 1-2 weeks.
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Originally posted by axelrose:
connie:
this is called an oral -antral fistula is is extremely dangerous havig an opening between nose and mouth.
the oral surgeon must go bak into the area, falp the tissue back, currette and pack the area , and the cover the fistula with 100% coverage of gum tissue.
this must be closed.sinus infections of the midface go right to the brain and can cause serious infections and encephalitis.
must be on second abx also prior to surgery, clydamycin or keflex for 1-2 weeks.
Thanks for answering. Just what I didn't want to hear. But suspected this was not a good thing.
Strange, I decided to call the dentist's office today to report this, and asked them to report my concerns to the dentist, and have him call me back if there was any reason for concern or if I should be seen earlier than my 7/25 appt. Nobody called me back.
Guess I should pursue this tomorrow.
:-(
I'm in a similar situation. Tooth 14 was root canaled for a 2nd time in February and has been giving me problems ever since.
Endodontist wants to do an apicoectomy (sp). Will this solve the problem or do I need to consider having this tooth extracted?
I have 5 root canaled teeth and have never had a problem with any of them.
Thoughts???
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Originally posted by 1tick3victims:
The tooth continued to be painful and I asked my dentist about this - he said that was impossible because there was no root left.
I had a dramatic decline after having the only root canal I ever had. At the time, my Lyme was pretty much in remission. But after my root canal, things changed and I went downhill fast. Same as you, I kept asking my dentist why I had pain in the tooth, and he looked at me as if I was crazy, and said the same thing your dentist said - it is impossible as there is no root there.
I didn't get the root tested after my procedure last week (I didn't want to pay $150, which in my mind is totally unnecessary since the tooth is gone) but the dentist said he has never had one come back which didn't show evidence of being toxic.
Your story is quite amazing and scary to hear. The holistic dentists seem to be totally anti-root canal these days, and I can see why.
So now I learn I probably have an oral-antral fistula following the tooth extraction, and that also seems scary. I will certainly keep your experience in mind and pursue doing something about this quickly. It stands to reason that I could easily develop an infection which could be dangerous, as docdave says.
doc, thanks for the advice!
1) hairline crack in tooth, tooth needs extraction not root canal, can check with blue dye.
2) abscess on non-vital tooth has anaerobic bacteria( no oxygen living) that do not respond well to abx and sometimes are aggrevated by root canal treatment. always premed abx 2-3 days prior to root canal.
3) i am starting to belive that long standing teeth with large abscesses must have root canals and apical surgery to clear up the infection. after alot of reading, i don't think a large >.5mm abscess can be healed with root canal and the lymphatic system , as originally thought by the dental profession. Curretage or cavitation as you laymen call it is necessary to remove infection at the root.
4) vital teeth needing root canals don't have this problem since there is imflamation of the nerve but usually not infection of the nerve, premed anyway.
5)wrong statement, " tooth is dead after root canal" false. the tooth sits in a periiodontal ligament suspended between the tooth and the bone. in this ligament the tooth gets blood suplly and nerve supply, however, it it quite reduced from before the root canal, but it is still alive and has feelings (don't make it watch a sad movie it will cry).
so that's why you can have pain after root canal
dd
Gosh, I struggled with this tooth for so long, now it's out and still causing me problems!
Dentist does not seem concerned, yet. Have to see him again on the 25th.
The story 1tick3victims told is scary. I had no idea an infection in the mouth could do such harm. Luckily I am on clinda for awhile.
Thanks for all your good advice. You are a good dentist.