This is a new one for me. But I just made a connection--
BATHERAPY--
the spa-like salts that you add to a hot bath--the green one. I just bought a new jug of it and I am in SOOOOOOOO much pain after my bath with it in it.
I havent used that much of it since my LAST reallllly bad herx----more than a month ago.
I soak in epsom salts every night and I take at least one other hot plain bath a day == 2 baths a day--one plain, the other salts.
Do you think the stuff in BATHERAPY could cause an immediate herx?
Here are the ingredients: sodium sesquicarbonate, magnesium sulfate, sodium chloride, sodium lauryl sulfate, water(aqua), fragrance(parfum), Lithium chloride, sulfur, potassium iodide, chlorophyllin.
My legs are on FIRE and my muscles are cramping and my arm feels like I shattered my elbow with a sledge hammer. I also have a bad headache.
It should NOT be my herx time--it should be over according to my cycles.
Anyone want to comment?
[ 09. March 2006, 01:11 PM: Message edited by: trails ]
Posted by geniveve (Member # 8646) on :
i definitely am no expert but from that list, man, that's a lot of salt.
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
hey trails
I don't know about the other ingredients but could you be reacting to the fragrance(Parfum) in it?
Just a thought.
Posted by trails (Member # 1620) on :
I looked up parfum--it is the french spelling of Perfume??? and it seems to be a strong perfume too!
It is so WRONG that they dont tell you what exactly it IS!
YIKES!!! I freakin HATE perfume, but I had thought this was a nice smell--not a perfume--I thought it was from an HERB...had no idea it was some sort of perfume.
This is very very strange.
WOuld I get a worsening of PAIN and lyme symptoms because of the perfume? The headaches, I can understand, the muscle pain and nerve pain and muscle spasms--doesnt make sense to me.
More thanks so far everyone!!
--more comments?
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
I don't know about you but I do get a worsening of my lyme symptoms from fragrance & perfumes.
This has triggered headaches, muscle aches and dizzyness, and nausea.
If I had taken a hot soak in perfumes I'd be in a sorry state.
make sure to talk over everything first with your LLMD
Posted by trails (Member # 1620) on :
This stuff is used very widely in "alternative" circles. It is sold in health food stores and it has been talked about here and on most other boards that deal with aches and pains.
I cant find a single person who had a negative reaction to it so far.
It is NOT perfume really--coz I would DIE if I soaked in perfume---I can't even be in the same building with perfume wearers. It makes me gag and get headaches and nausea too...but not muscle spasms and nerve pain.
I wrote to the company via email and asked exactly what is in their PARFUM. We'll see if I get a reply!
Posted by Banks (Member # 8894) on :
i dont think its the perfum, if you had a very hot bath it can 'wake up' your borries and it would be a herx. thats why i go to the sauna and try to bath as hot as possible to get them all so they will DIE!!!!
Posted by trails (Member # 1620) on :
I totally agree Banks--that is why I take so many baths and try to stay in there as long as possible. Plus I love hot water--have lived with hot springs and just can't get enough hot water.
BUT---I dont really ever herx like this right out of the bath----I mean, I sometimes get a small flare--but this is VERY bad and VERY painful and has lasted until the present moment.
up for more discussion....
Posted by trails (Member # 1620) on :
double post
Posted by Areneli (Member # 6740) on :
You may herx from ABX.
When you bath the bugs are not killed so it cannot be herx by definition.
Posted by trails (Member # 1620) on :
Right Areneli! Although I did think that there was some research--that touches on raising core body temp and die off of Bb?
However, people get flares in sx from detoxing....this is b/c you are moving the toxins thru???
Is it my Lyme brain? WHy cant I hold this info in here?
Sorry and thanks!
Posted by Nebula2005 (Member # 8244) on :
I like this stuff. They make it in Lavender and Sports formulas, too.
If you ARE already herxing, raising yuor body temp can help to kill more germs, I think. But since you don't think you WERE?
It's pretty mild smelling, I totally hate perfume, too, and I like the smell of this. Did you use more than usual?
I know I can't use anything with Rose or Rose oil in it--my skin turns bright red.
Of course, you can develop new sensitivities at any time. You seem to have had a pretty bad reaction.
Sorry--I don't really have an answer. Maybe you DID provoke a herx. Guess you'll just have to get brave and try the stuff again. Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
I've just come to realize in the couple months that I am very chemically effected. It brings on all types of neurological problems for me including extreme pain in hands and feet.
Before, when I was so ill all the time I couldn't detect things that effected me. Now I know when some sx start up again that I've done something to upset the apple cart, so to speak.
I was feeling so good in Nov & Dec, I started doing deep house cleaning, arts & crafts, painting etc. I was not using any chemical safety smarts at all.
Boy I paid big time. Just this week I realized one of my scented candles is causing neuro stuff.
It might be a couple ingredients in this combo that you are sensitive to.
Take care, Pam
Posted by santa_pax (Member # 8318) on :
Trails,
Do you mean you DONT have herx-feeling from epsom salts bath or a plain bath....only from this BATHERAPY product?
This post caught my eye bc I get a severe "immediate herx" reaction from a hot bath with either epsom salts or just plain sea salts.
I dont know what causes it. But my muscles spasm ferociously after such a bath and I get so weak and dizzy, I can hardly stand up without collapsing.
I just assumed that this unpleasantness is doing some good......that either the bacteria hates heat, or that my body is purging some toxins due to the heat and the salts. (It better be doing some good, or I am tormenting myself for nuthin!).
I guess if you dont "herx" from a plain hot water bath, it MUST be the product you add.
Posted by trails (Member # 1620) on :
I am liking the discussion here folks---learning and trying to understand. Thanks so much for your replies and thoughts.
This was the original formula --the green salts. I do not like the lavender formula---I found that scent too strong for me. I love lavender otherwise, though.
I dont really HERX from hot baths and epsom salts baths. I sometimes feel weak and sometimes feel like I am moving toxins thru, but I dont get worsening of muscle cramps and pain, headaches and dizziness that lasts for longer than an hour.
So -- I guess I only get it with the Batherapy salts.
I will have to try another bath in about a week and see to test it out huh?
Or else it is super high dose of the salts--it sort of is, if you look at ingedients---and this gets into me deeper and causes toxic movement/flushing--ie--worsening of symptoms??
I like this stuff A LOT and have used it for years too. I may have put a bit more than usual in this bath though.....
Still having worsening of symptoms...pain, muscle cramps/lump feelings, joint pain, razor blade feelings in my muscles/ nerve pains, headaches, dizziness. BRAIN FOG FOG FOG.
Keep any thoughts flowing here---I welcome all points of view except hurtful comments. Thanks! Trails
Posted by Banks (Member # 8894) on :
its right what some answered: the spirochetes dont like it hot so they start moving and get into the blood where the ABx kill them! unfortunately we cant heat up our body inside over 40C to kill them easily LOL does anybody else tries the sauna in connection with ABx??
Posted by Nebula2005 (Member # 8244) on :
Everything about this wretched disease drives me crazy.
It's so hard to figure out cause and effect. Our bodies, nervous systems, immune systems react to our environment in an abnormal way.
I felt fine yesterday until I took my antibiotic after dinner. I spent the night cramping and tweaking and twitching and buzzing. What the hey? The dose I took yesterday morning didn't make me that sick.
I've noticed feeling worse after a hot bath (heat feels so good) that I may have a more tired and achy day. I mean seriously A BATH. It's absurd.
Too bad the things we do to feel better take so long to make us feel better. Curse those **** ******* spirochetes!!
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
When all else fails I look at my diet and concentrate on detox.
Did you add any new supps or herbs to your brew?
I don't know what else to say except that lyme can wax and wane on it's own without doing much else.
Make sure to talk over everything first with your LLMD
Hang in there
Posted by robi (Member # 5547) on :
Trails .... here's an unsolicited opinon .... sorry I am full of them.
Sodium laural sulfates are not a harmless chemical. Not saying thats what your reacting to but I would not soak in the stuff.
They have a personal shopping list where you can check off the type of product you want and it will suggest the least toxic products in that category. http://www.ewg.org/reports/skindeep2/advanced.php
Since we are already toxic , I figure it is best to not add to the load.
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