How many people here are considering the possibility that parasites are a part of their overall condition? For those that are, what approaches to treatment have you used and which ones have you found to be of the most value? Be well.
Posted by lymeinhell (Member # 4622) on :
I used the Zapper for 9 days about a year ago. The evidence was pretty clear that I had a problem (and I do have 6 pets). I gained 7 lbs in the week after I used it. So I'd say it was effective.
I tried doing an herbal 'cleanse' a few months earlier (while still on abx) but it was just too much while also doing abx. Call me chicken, but I never went back to it even though I've been abx free for 16 months.
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
No one else working on parasites as part of their overall condition?
Posted by robi (Member # 5547) on :
I have been trying to find practitioner to help with this. So far no luck. Richmond is so conservative.....if you can't see it on a blood test and fix it with a pil in 10 days they don't want to know from it.
Is there anything one can do on there own?I have been warned agaisnt doing cleanses unsupervisd that might be to hard too handle.
Thoughts ? robi
Posted by marks (Member # 6965) on :
Scott, I did the Hulda Clark parasite cleanse about 18 months ago (3 wks of cloves, wormwood and black walnut) and continued with the maint. program for about a year. I also was using the zapper.
This was before I was dx with lyme and started the abx protocol. I haven't used any program since being on abx.
I have noticed that when I tried Prog. #3 with the KMT23 which is for the GI tract, I get VERY sick so I have only done that program once in three months.
Nancy said I probably need to take orals for the parasites also.
I think the Hulda Clark program helped but I was having so many neurological lyme symptoms (although I didn't know at the time what was causing them)that I didn't feel like it did anything for the
I also did her liver cleanse and tried the kidney cleanse but could not tolerate the herbs used for it.
Are you using anything for the parasites other than KMT? Nancy said her son had the same problem with Prog. #3 as I did and Dr. K gave him something orally to take.
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
I am using the KMT - all programs including #3. I have done the Sputnik. Also did Supreme Cleanse from Gaia Herbs. I am going back to see Dr. D. in Seattle next week to do some more ART work and see what else needs to be done. At first with my energetic testing, no parasites were showing up. Now that the Lyme seems to be under control, a few are starting to pop up on the testing. We'll see if that is confirmed with ART next week and then what is recommended to treat. It is something I do feel like is next on my list. Also doing colonics, but more for the detox.
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
hey
I am also in the same position as Robi
Living out in the middle of no-where and no "big citys" within my driving distance,
I am not in a position of getting professional help on the parasite front.
I have always wanted to adress this issue but there is a warning about " Do not attempt this at home"
So I don't think I will be able to do a parasite Clense. Unless we move again.
And am not seeing this in my future.
Take care dana
p.s. any one find a safe and natural remedy out there that is safe to do at home ...
please let me know
Thanks Posted by flossie (Member # 3384) on :
alinia, praziquantel, tinnidazole (not together). used in combo w/ fibers and binding agents (cholestyramine, fiber drinks, etc). also freeeze-dried garlic.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
We have successfully treated parasites, i.e. the overload of parasites that is apparent when the immunity drops to a low during Lyme Disease and Heavy Metal and Dentla infections.
Some of the most common used by us and others depending on compatibility as determined by ART, are -
Arise & Shine Program Sputnik Biltricide Albenza Alinia/Daxon Salt & C Freeze Dried Garlic Rizol (certain ozonated oils) KMT Antiparasitic CD's (sound)
Some of these have to be repeated after longer pauses, since it may take 2-3 years to be successfully de-wormed.
Killing parasites also releases heavy metals, viruses, etc. etc. which are held in the cell walls of parasites. That should be dealt with. They are not herxes, but mobilzed neurotoxins.
Take care.
A good doctor should be able to advise you. This is from our experience and that of many chronically ill patients I am in contact with.
[ 28. March 2006, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: GiGi ]
Posted by pattilynn (Member # 8065) on :
I just started lyme treatment and my cbc showed elevated eosinophils which is an indication of parasitic infection. I wonder about parasites too, or would lyme be considered a parasite and cause the level to elevate. Anyone know?
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
I have not heard of eosinophils being elevated from Lyme itself. Parasites and allergies are two major causes that I have read in the past. The tricky part is that it is likely that most/all of us with Lyme have both allergies and parasites.
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
Scott, I used Clark zapper and did detox teas with all those weird herbs know as parasite killers. Seen the evidence.
Sometimes it's best to wait until the body is ready to deal with the next healing layer. We are filled with layer upon layer of toxins and it's peeled away too slowly for our liking, but it's best to do as muscle testing shows your body needs it.
Pam
Posted by daniella (Member # 6753) on :
hi scott, I'm tryign to do it now with cloves, black walnut, and wormwood. Am getting various responses on how much to dose though..Anyone have an accurate dose? Where would you find worwood pills and cloves pills? My healthfood store doeasn't have them..
daniella
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
The main problem with parasites is that they are also in the brain, as are the eggs and larvae. That is why it is very difficult to eradicate them and why it takes so long. I do not think that any of the common herbals will do that. They did not for me, not for my husband, and not for a number of seriously ill people that have gone through a successful parasite program.
Most people picture parasites in the colon. They are not only in the colon. They can be just about anywhere and surviving until we come with stronger meds.
Take care.
That sounds bad, but that is the way it is.
Take care.
Posted by robi (Member # 5547) on :
quote:Originally posted by GiGi: The main problem with parasites is that they are also in the brain, as are the eggs and larvae. That is why it is very difficult to eradicate them and why it takes so long. I do not think that any of the common herbals will do that. They did not for me, not for my husband, and not for a number of seriously ill people that have gone through a successful parasite program.
Most people picture parasites in the colon. They are not only in the colon. They can be just about anywhere and surviving until we come with stronger meds.
Take care.
That sounds bad, but that is the way it is.
Take care.
So then how are we supposed to get rid of parasites without a knowledgeable practitioner?
If I knew one nearby that did not charge $300 to $400 for a first visit (not including tests) I would go..... but I haven't worked in close to 3 years and the docs don't want to treat for free or reduced fees........ so what is a person to do?????
[ 28. March 2006, 10:36 PM: Message edited by: robi ]
Posted by lymeHerx001 (Member # 6215) on :
All I know is that I pulse Flagyl to keep my bowels clear. Ive never had a herx or any side effects with it.
The only effect I noticed is that it releaved my constipation. And Im talking quick, within a couple of hours.
So does this point to a parasite?
Posted by bpeck (Member # 3235) on :
PattyLyn: How elevated are they? No - Lyme won't raise the eosinophiles during treatment.
It's mostly exotic diseases that raise eosinophils (if it's not allergy doing it) so I would definitely follow up with another blood test and not ignore this if the count is high.
Barb
PattyLyn wrote: I just started lyme treatment and my cbc showed elevated eosinophils which is an indication of parasitic infection. I wonder about parasites too, or would lyme be considered a parasite and cause the level to elevate. Anyone know?
Posted by robi (Member # 5547) on :
How high is high on Eosinophils? Mine are always 2 to 3 points higher than the normal range. Many doctors have said "that's not really high".
So it falls into the "i don't know what to think anymore" category.
Anyone really know what we mean by high eosinophils?
robi
Posted by pattilynn (Member # 8065) on :
Mine was 5.7. Normal is 0-4. It doesn't seem very high but considering 0-4 is normal I guess it's high.
My monocytes were elevated too 10.1. Normal is 0-7.
Patti
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I did several cleanses my chiro suggested. Didn't like the program.
Now I'm doing www.drnatura.com I like it alot and am seeing results.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Robi,
Sorry, sorry, sorry - actually, I should ignore your post. But I know you are agitated. ART or other energetic testing takes minutes, not several hundred dollars.
Testing for parasites with labs is a waste of time (according to Dr. K.), because here has been a tremendous increase in the amount of parasites and worms like never seen before. We are using the parasitology books, and many cannot be identified. Not that shape, not that type. Where the labs fail is that you have about 20 minutes after the stool is produced to find the parasite in there. The antigen tests don't work, because these guys are masters in changing their antigen presentation. Heard that one before!
For those interested, some of the meds can be purchased in other lands at a lot less.
Take care.
Posted by robi (Member # 5547) on :
no ART doc nerby except the one we have discussed and he is 300 for initial visit. Good energetic testing? i a in a VERY conservitive town....... haven'thad any luck in this realm. I am open to it for sure..... have been looking.
And Gigi, you know I always appreciate your input. no need for apologies.
robi
Posted by diana (Member # 7466) on :
I was treated for parasites two years ago by an ND before I knew I had lyme. I recently completed a 30 day paraway cleanse that included artemisin (1400mg a day) , cloves and black walnut among other things.
Diana
Posted by paige1 (Member # 7486) on :
I've started Richard Schulze's bowel cleanse and have had the first of a series of colonics. However, I also need to address the parasites... I've got all the symptoms, not to mention several past trips to Mexico. I'm going to be trying a remedy called Clarkia, something that Curezone.com reported many people having good results from. It must be some strong stuff, as I can smell the cloves even though I haven't even unsealed the bottle yet. I know that I muscle test very strongly to it, so apparently my body needs and wants it. I'm waiting to start it until I get the intestines moving more than they have been... otherwise I'll just feel yuckier.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Robi, we all have choices to make:
Visiting the nearby ART practitioner: during your first visit, for $300 per hour (probably less for subsequent visits), you most likely will have confirmed during the first hour -
whether you have Lyme which co-infections you carry whether you are heavy metal toxic whether you have a dental/cavitation/root canal problem whether you have an electromagnetic exposure problem at home or work whether you have a geopathic stress problem in your sleeping location whether you have a major allergy problem whether you have a fungi problem whether you have a mold problem that needs to be addressed whether you have a parasite problem whether you have a viral problem whether you have a thyroid problem, etc. etc.
You would find out which medicines would work best for you at this point for these problems. And in general what to do.
I got all the above (as my body was able to reveal it via ART) plus my first Neural Therapy treatment to alleviate interference fields from scars; my first DMPS challenge shot; all included in the hourly fee of $360. per hour. My first visit lasted just about that long. From then on, I knew what I was facing, what I had to do.
I got every detail/instructions what to buy and how to take it, reason for the med, written down in his own handwriting. I also took a little recorder, as instructed, to record the whole session so I could recall everything once I got home.
I would beg, borrow, steal, sell all that's not nailed down --- I would run to Dr. G.
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(and I do have 6 pets). I gained 7 lbs in the week after I used it. So I'd say it was effective.![[Smile]](smile.gif)