Scott to the rescue with yet another rockin' article! You are such a wonderful source of great info for us -- thanks a million!
Yes, hypercoagulation is a big problem for a lot of folks with chronic illnesses -- lyme to be sure can cause it, and babesia compounds the problem even more from what I've read.
Lots of folks on this board swear by the product Rechts-Regulat for treating this condition -- I have yet to try it. I have had great success with a product called "cell food" (a plant enzyme product with dissolved oxygen and trace minerals)-- I went from dark, inky, thick blood to nice thinner red blood very quickly -- wasn't sure why, and then I realized that it must be the cell food -- looked it up and sure enough, it is used for treating hypercoagulation (as well as being a general tonic). What I did know was that I seem to feel much better when I take it than when I don't -- makes sense now.
I've now added in nattokinase as well for even better circulation, fibrin-busting, etc.
Posted by bettyg (Member # 6147) on :
Thanks Scott for the great explanation! Do you know if you've given that to TREEPATROL'S NEWBIE'S LINKS or not? If not, please post it on his wonderful site so he can include it the next time he updates the entire list ok! THANKS BIG TIME! Bettyg
PS - I think of you whenever I wear my LYME GREEN BRACELET; thanks Scott! Posted by ChrisBtheLymie (Member # 8916) on :
If you treat the Lyme, will the Hypercoagulation go away? Or do you need to treat it either way?
Posted by farah (Member # 8496) on :
I think treating the hypercoagulation itself is an important facet of treating Lyme disease as a whole. It improves the tissue penetration of other remedies that are used to kill bacteria. This is important to improve the effectiveness of other treatments.
Farah
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
Agree that addressing hypercoagulation is a key part of a well planned treatment and increases your chances of a good outcome. It is also true that some doctors suggest that treating Babesia for example will help with the hypercoagulation issue. Personally, I would do both.
I have done both Rechts-Regulat which I found very useful and am doing a trial now of Heparin which I am not sure about the benefit yet. I stopped the RR during this trial, but will return to it when I stop the Heparin trial. So far, lots of bruising, some scars, etc. Heparin injections are probably not the best first option as they are not a walk in the park....
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
You also have the option of oral heparin...troches. They worked great for me. Now I take lumbrokinase...Boluoke.
some people have hypercoagulation as an inherited problem and need to remain on some type of treatment.
Posted by Jellybelly (Member # 7142) on :
Scott there is also the nasal spray option which I used, never had even one shot. I can give you the info if you are interested.
Another positive aspect of heparin that I am not sure you will get from either RR or Lubro or Natto is that it is believed heparin kills Babesia and possibly Lyme. So heparin may be something people might want to use at least for a little while.
Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
Thanks, Scott....
And thanks for your post, Minimonkey - I bought a bottle of Cell Food yesterday. I'd been thinking about giving it a try anyway, but did not realize it helped with hypercoag issues. That clinched the decision for me.
Tracy
Posted by chroniccosmic (Member # 7789) on :
Scott--I agree that the heparin shots are tough, I'm bruised all the time and run out of injection sites. The nurse at my LLMD's office suggested icing the site before and after and that helps a lot.
Jelly--I would like to know about the nasal spray.
Tutu--I wanted troches but my insurance won't pay and they are $200 a month. Yikes!
But I love the effect of the heparin and definitely are getting things moving.
Posted by deepdig (Member # 9226) on :
Chronic....mine was around $160 per month, but ins would reimburse 80%. whew!
deepdig....aspirin thins the blood, but NOT the fibrinogen. You can read up on that at www.hemex.com Posted by aiden424 (Member # 7633) on :
quote:Originally posted by i want help: Is this a by product of lyme? thank you
I have been doing the heparin shots for the last six months and I think they really help. I don't like the bruising either but compared to everything else I've had to deal with, with having lyme, it's really not that bad.
I have not tried boluoke or rechts-regulat either, but would try one of them before I'd ever go back on warfarin.
Department of Ozonotherapy, Regional Medical Diagnostic Center, Nizhnii Novgorod.
Hemostatic changed induced by ozone therapy were studied in 81 patients with atherosclerosis of different vessels in 81 patients. It was found that use of ozone-oxygen mixtures leads to hypocoagulatory changes (diminution of platelet aggregation, lowering of fibrinogen concentration, prolongation of activated partial thromboplastin time, enhanced fibrinolytic activity) which contribute to clinical response.
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Posted by DolphinLady (Member # 6275) on :
How is the cell food used?
Thanks all for the great info given here. - D
Posted by pab (Member # 904) on :
quote:Originally posted by SForsgren: I have done both Rechts-Regulat which I found very useful and am doing a trial now of Heparin which I am not sure about the benefit yet. I stopped the RR during this trial, but will return to it when I stop the Heparin trial. So far, lots of bruising, some scars, etc. Heparin injections are probably not the best first option as they are not a walk in the park....
My son uses Insuflon Catheters. Once it is inserted it can be used for up to 1 week. We put it in his stomach or upper arm. He still bruises sometimes.
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