If spirochetes love sugar, and you stop eating sugar & simple carbs, will they come out through your skin if you soak in a tub with sugar water?
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
don't think so! Posted by trueblue (Member # 7348) on :
And just asking for a yeast infection, ugh! Posted by Tincup (Member # 5829) on :
That's IT!
I KNEW ice cream would be the cure for Lyme disease!
But I didn't think we would have to soak in a tub full of it... instead of eat it!
Darn them keets!
Posted by meg (Member # 22) on :
Posted by groovy2 (Member # 6304) on :
Hi Algi
I think it might work if you drop a TV set in the tube with you-Jay-
Posted by sometimesdilly (Member # 9982) on :
Ali-
That is pretty durn funny!
And Jay- Yessirree, adding a live wire..that should do the trick.
Dilly
Posted by Dave6002 (Member # 9064) on :
I don't know if there is any solid scientific evidance support this: 'spirochetes love sugar', in contrast, Bb lacks the genes that are required for using suger.
On the other hand, carb has been the biggest energy source for us human beings and other animals.
Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
� Present address: Department of Microbiology and Immunology, Stanford University School of Medicine, Stanford, CA 94305.
Hmmm? Does this article interest you?
Jay, you called me Algae?- Eewwwww! Be a love and test that out for me, would you please?
Dilly, If you want to jump on in the tub with Jay, I won't tell.
Trueblue, OK, keep your shorts on (literally), and try a hot fudge body wrap.
Tincup, This is what happens when I think to hard , I hope you don't mind me taking a break for some silly nonsense. . I'll get back to work as soon as I can sort of unscramble my brain again.
I forgot I posted this. Imagine my surprise when I saw all of you here!
Thanks for laughing along with me!
Posted by lymie tony z (Member # 5130) on :
Hey there Dave's not here!
Diabetes 101....and gee what do carbs turn into when they are digested???? OH YEAH SUGAR!
So if y'all don't want to get in the tub with cold Ice cream...try bagels.......all buttered up!
With transfatty butter and slip and slide!
WWWOOOO WWWWOOOOEEEEIIII!
There sure are some SICK people around here! LOL
zman
Posted by trails (Member # 1620) on :
but the big question remains:
Would peeing in this bath change the outcome?
Posted by Jill E. (Member # 9121) on :
Let's all go to the Hershey Spa in Hershey Pennsylvania, soak in chocolate and see what happens.
Maybe we could even deduct it as a medical expense!!
Jill
Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
Tony- Interesting concept.
Trails- eeewwww!, you're NOT coming to the Spa with us! You bath peeer!
Jill- Cool! I didn't know there was such a thing! Got the number?
ROFLMAO!! Posted by trueblue (Member # 7348) on :
This gets funnier each time I stop by.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by groovy2:
I think it might work if you drop a TV set in the tube with you-Jay-
Nice hot bath with electrolites (calcium, magnesium, potassium and a little sodium) and maybe some oatmeal, milk and sugar.
Soak well, maybe 20 minutes to 1/2 hour.
Then dump in a big old box of sea salt and some vitamin-C and mix well. (You have to kill them before they can get back in)
Turn on the shower & rinse well.
Isn't it nice to dream?
Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
What if we soak in a tub full of ABX?
Posted by trails (Member # 1620) on :
thanks carol! Posted by LYMESCIENCE (Member # 9259) on :
"If spirochetes love sugar, and you stop eating sugar & simple carbs, will they come out through your skin if you soak in a tub with sugar water?"
To my knowledge, this has not been empiracally tested. There is some crediblity within the train of thought here, but there are many different applicable varaibles to consider.
One, do spirochetes know the difference between inorganic and organic material ie: a tub filled with water and sugar has only one organic material, sugar, because sugar contains Carbon.
Once again, interesting thought, but, we need testable experiements before any conclusions can be made.
As an example, I do not personally believe that such a treatment could cure Lyme Disease. However, if even small amounts of spirochetes actaully did transverse the skin into the water for sugar, what have we learned?
I suggest we have learned something which governs their behvior in a way similar to a magnet.
Now, why did this event occur? Why did the event occur only half way? Were the spirochetes which were removed, the only bacterium with sufficient energy to move? Or were they the bacteriums in most need of sugar?
Out of the box thinking is not bad, but we need to follow up on each idea by examining the logical basis for any arguement. Also, we must understand that such thought may not produce a radical cure, but they can give us insight into the behavior of the diseases we carry.
The greater we understand our enemy, the better we are at designing therapies designed to target all of their weaknesses, and remove all their defenses.
Posted by spookydew (Member # 8432) on :
Isn't sugar absorbed through the skin? I saw this on Merv Griffin or Michael Douglas show when I was kid.
Seems like it's true because when I bake candy or cookies, when there done I don't want any cause feel like already had bunches without eating any.
What else do spirochetes bind to or like in the body? Not sure.
What do they not like? Atb's,heat,salt,electric shock. O2? Alkaline environment?
What has been reported in past that kills them? A Russion physicist reported that liquer killed it. It was reported that IV baking soda in dogs with lyme cured them. People are saying salt anc c in time cures them. The western fence cleanses the tick of it. I'm sure there are more noted cures and kills than this.
Posted by LYMESCIENCE (Member # 9259) on :
quote:Originally posted by spookydew: Isn't sugar absorbed through the skin? I saw this on Merv Griffin or Michael Douglas show when I was kid.
Seems like it's true because when I bake candy or cookies, when there done I don't want any cause feel like already had bunches without eating any.
What else do spirochetes bind to or like in the body? Not sure.
What do they not like? Atb's,heat,salt,electric shock. O2? Alkaline environment?
What has been reported in past that kills them? A Russion physicist reported that liquer killed it. It was reported that IV baking soda in dogs with lyme cured them. People are saying salt anc c in time cures them. The western fence cleanses the tick of it. I'm sure there are more noted cures and kills than this.
Very interesting thought. Why are we allowing them to evolve at all? Giving them what they don't want allows them evolutionairy pressure to evolve.
Why then, don't we give them what they desire? They would not have to exert the energy required to survive things the dislike, and they would use the energy they do have to move towards something which is evolutionairily favorable to the spirochete's survival.
The question is best posed above, What do spirochetes like?
We have thought much about what they do not like, but, what about the other side of the question, what do they enjoy?
Posted by LYMESCIENCE (Member # 9259) on :
Think of setting a trap for a mouse, a piece of cheese is placed on a trap. Or, another example, one from human history, remember the trojan horse. It was taken into the city of troy because it was desired, and everyone believed it to be favorable.
However, hidden beneath was something very unfavorable, both to the mouse, and to the citizens of Troy.
Unfortunatly, for such a trap to be set, it can only work efficiently a set number of times before this idea is set in the minds of our enemies.
That simply means we must uncover several different varieities of trojan horses. If we create enough varieities within this train of thought, eventually, the equation reaches critical mass such that resistance is futile. The bacteria simply cease to exist, because there was no other alternative possible.
Posted by LYMESCIENCE (Member # 9259) on :
War is Hell, and there are no rules in Hell other than winning at any cost.
Friends, this is where we are today.
We must first win the current fight against Lyme Disease. Then, we will have the needed tools to we settle payment for the damage done durring the War. There is no need to feel compassion for the enemy in a general sence of the term. There are only different levels of compassion based on the guilt each commander holds on the opposing side. The winner decides the spoils of war. So, because some have taken a check out on a loan they can't repay, one day, we must call them on the loan. Rest assured, they will be unable to pay the debt.
Posted by spookydew (Member # 8432) on :
I don't feel compassion for these little *!!$$$$!S. They invaded,intruded,dispersed,absorbed,had babies,raised their young,stole my nutrients,disguised themselves,grew,aged,and hid in my house (body).
They robbed me,changed me,and tortured me.But their weakness is that they have not yet killed me.
Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
Don't they make artificial plasma now?
How about a tub full of that & sugar, then dump in ABX?
Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
How about a nice tasty 97 degree plasma sugar bath for the buggers?
Posted by breezywings (Member # 9222) on :
I just have to say after reading this thread that I am getting my birthday suit on, filling the tub with chocolate ice cream (keeping out a scoop for my mouth of course) and slathering my warm bagel with butter.
Yup, that's the way I wanna go......found face up(smiling) in a vat of my beloved chocolate ice cream with a warm poppy seed bagel hanging out of my buttered mouth.
Posted by lymie tony z (Member # 5130) on :
Whahoo Breezy...sounds provacative!!
I want to be immersed in a giant rootbeer float!
With those chocolate,carmel and peanut turtles stuffed in my yap!(sorry painted turtle)
And maybe some coconut cream pie on the side!
Hey Lymescience....please tell me you were kidding with all that crap!???
Otherwise I'm gonna start REALLY worrying about you!
You sound suspiciously like how the IDSA came up with their "scientific protocol"....
See what you started AliG....hey you any relation to KennyG? (sorry)...LOL zman
Posted by LYMESCIENCE (Member # 9259) on :
quote:Originally posted by lymie tony z: Whahoo Breezy...sounds provacative!!
I want to be immersed in a giant rootbeer float!
With those chocolate,carmel and peanut turtles stuffed in my yap!(sorry painted turtle)
And maybe some coconut cream pie on the side!
Hey Lymescience....please tell me you were kidding with all that crap!???
Otherwise I'm gonna start REALLY worrying about you!
You sound suspiciously like how the IDSA came up with their "scientific protocol"....
See what you started AliG....hey you any relation to KennyG? (sorry)...LOL zman
Dude, are you kidding me, of course I'm serious. The reason I'm serious is because I believe in testable experiementation for the advancement of science. The reason I believe in science is because I don't believe in the IDSA, who frankly, choose not to believe in science.
Basically, my point is such that there exists no reason whatsoever that we can't pick apart Lyme Disease much like a disecting a frog in biology class. What reason is there to suggest we can't understand the innermost secrets within this disease. What purpose is there to suggest that our experiements don't work?
Anyone can do science, so long as they can remain resonably objective, and the results they report, if done in exactly the same way by others, are repeatable.
Now, I'm not suggesting the water with suger idea will work, but I am suggesting that ideas do work, and until we start comming up with them, and all of us testing theories(only testing theories which seem safe and have been reported to be successfull from trusted members) and repeating them, how are we going to amass the knowledge needed to lay our enemies (both the IDSA and the Disease within) at our feet?
Are you with me? I am tired of letting this disease control the lives of everyone living around the country. I can't change the IDSA, but I can change the actions I take against my disease.
They refuse to study our illness, fine. I can't change that. But, together we don't have to accept that science will have to dwindle because a group of people have said that it should be this way.
Are they so powerfull that we will sit in our homes and allow them to experiement with our lives?
I'm finished being the rat, long ago I put the disease in the rat cage and the science produced has been extremely helpfull. Everyone of us has the intellect, the abilty, and the desire to solve problem number 1. What exactly is Lyme Disease doing in our bodies? Problem 2, are we able to cure ourselves based upon the knowledge we have gathered, or can we come up with a reasonably unique model of disease based upon the gathered data from all of us? Problem 3, with this data, how do we get a clinical trial? Problem 4, how quickly can we get those who have held us in agony fired?
Posted by Jill E. (Member # 9121) on :
Well, this reminds me of the conversation I had with the San Diego Vector Control guy (well, not the part about the chocolate in the bathtub...)
I kept trying to get him to go to the neighborhood where I was bitten - I know the exact location. He said they drag the ground to check for ticks all over San Diego and have never found one with Lyme (despite the statistics from the California Dept. of Health I read to him with confirmed Lyme tick locations).
He said, we just don't know what they like.
So I said, "Well, they obviously like my friggin' shin because that's where I was bitten!!"
Showing that sometimes the obvious is the answer!
But I still like the idea of soaking ourselves - and them - in Chocolate Haagen Dazs.
And by the way, why must scientists refer to us as the Hosts for the tick? As if we are Martha Stewart, inviting the critters over for dinner.
OK, I feel better now. But I'll feel better after that chocolate bath.
And LymeScience, I agree that we know more about this disease than most doctors do and it would not surprise me if a patient came up with the answer. Remember the parents' who came up with Lorenzo's Oil for their sick son?
Jill
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by spookydew: I don't feel compassion for these little *!!$$$$!S. They invaded,intruded,dispersed,absorbed,had babies,raised their young,stole my nutrients,disguised themselves,grew,aged,and hid in my house (body).
They robbed me,changed me,and tortured me.But their weakness is that they have not yet killed me.
YOU GO GIRL!!!! Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by lymie tony z: Otherwise I'm gonna start REALLY worrying about you!
I was beginning to worry too! I just wanna laugh today, not THINK!!
Lymescience, I hope you teach science somewhere!
Posted by LYMESCIENCE (Member # 9259) on :
Lymetoo, as much as I love teaching science. The one thing I think about every single day is how can I complete with Lyme Disease the same task Lorrenzo's brave father did with ALD?
I don't care right now about teaching the society at large because they have mostly ignored us. Besides, my talents lie in the sciences. Strangly enough, the sciences are easier for me than normal human chatter. I figure this happened because the evolutionairy pressure exerted through my struggle to teach myself science in the worst of my disease led to a kind of induced mini-autusim with my facination with logic, science, and numbers. I was never like that before I got sick. I was good with numbers, but now, the way my brain has adapted to scientic thought is almost foreign when I think of my personality pre Lyme. But, in my desire to clean myself of this disease, I read, and read, and read, and all of it was scientific. I kept reading until I understood in the evening that which I had not known in the morning. This process continued for years.
So today, when I wake up from a dream, my dream was about the exact cause and effect relationships that define the very nature of physics, evolution and biology.
Years ago, I awoke from a dream about having ears made of chocholate.
I don't know if I will ever regain my talent for smalltalk, and though I've gained a rather unique aptitude for science, this wasn't something I chose. But one thing can be said for certain, it happened, and I intend to use it against this disease because I don't fear Lyme Disease anymore. If it can do what it did to me, I'm not gonna sit and let the damned disease do all the punching. I've got gloves as well.
Posted by Carol in PA (Member # 5338) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jill E.: And by the way, why must scientists refer to us as the Hosts for the tick? As if we are Martha Stewart, inviting the critters over for dinner.
Jill
Oh my, that was great. First good laugh I've had today.
Carol
Posted by charlie (Member # 25) on :
now trails....this bacteria is highly peeomorphic, and that tub business will just cause it to dig in it's little heel and be even harder to eradicate.
Charlie, from flooded coastal Texas
Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
- good one Charlie!
I'm with you Lymescience. If we can't beat 'em at least maybe we can beat the heck out of 'em!
If you keep doing what you always do, you'll keep getting the same results. I haven't heard anyone say, "I've found the cure!" yet.
How come all the silly-mood driven topics on this board somehow get around to chocolate ice cream?
Please pass the Haagen Daaz.......... If nothing else, at least I'll smell good! Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by charlie: now trails....this bacteria is highly peeomorphic, and that tub business will just cause it to dig in it's little heel and be even harder to eradicate.
Charlie, from flooded coastal Texas
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by AliG: How come all the silly-mood driven topics on this board somehow get around to chocolate ice cream?
Hmmm....good point! Posted by groovy2 (Member # 6304) on :
Toni Z
The root beer float comment made me BOL -- (Burst out Laffing) thanks --Jay--
Posted by lymie tony z (Member # 5130) on :
Uhhh Jay...I'm a guy...TonY not toni...
I dig ya TUTU...I'm laughing
Lymescience...DUDE...keep on keepin on...just don't drink any of your concoctions yourself...
Remember what happened to Dr Jeykl....
zman
Posted by meg (Member # 22) on :
I just need to know one thing.......does the
Hagen-daaz work better warm or cold? Posted by KENNEDY (Member # 9628) on :
For obvious reasons, my vote is for warm.
Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
cave- The "y" dangles, the "i" does not.
Oh my goodness, would you look at that reply....
I think Tony got excited! Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
Sorry, I couldn't resist. Posted by trueblue (Member # 7348) on :
All of a sudden I'm suffering gender confusion. Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
Maybe you should check your shorts too? Posted by lymie tony z (Member # 5130) on :
Holy Crap!!!
Ya know, after reading Caves comment this afternoon...I was gonna say something like what AliG just put up here...
But I thought...Nahhh that's gettin a little weird and slightly sic....
I thought you girls would think I was bragging or a male chauvanist pig or something.
To my surprise and laughter I come here in the early evening hours to see almost exactly what I was going to type!!
I think you girls been hanging around my literature too too much,,,I'm corrupting your youth!
FOFLMAO
You girls think like Sailors!!! On Leave!!!
whooo whooo!!!!!
I love it!!!!!!!!
(.) (.) . ).( ( v ) Tru blue...if you look like this....yer a girl....
zman ps...I had the waist in the right place cept when it showedup it was slightly askew!! A lady with spinabifida I guess....zman
[ 18. October 2006, 06:25 AM: Message edited by: lymie tony z ]
Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
Uh, Tony.... That's a "Y" in your picture. It just screws up the whole theory.
I find it slightly disturbing that you knew how to create that off the top of your head.
I had to climb back up on my chair to type this because I fell off, onto the floor and choked on my tea when I read your reply.
I still haven't caught my breath yet. Are we in medical? What were we talking about anyway?
[ 17. October 2006, 10:11 PM: Message edited by: AliG ]
Posted by trueblue (Member # 7348) on :
ummm... thanks for the anatomy lesson, Tony. Yup, I look just like that made of parenthesis and keyboard characters.
I can't speak for the others but I can swear like a sailor, too. Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
and yes, Tony
This was ALL your fault! You should be ashamed of yourself!!
Especially because you made me spill my tea!
Posted by lymie tony z (Member # 5130) on :
OK OK OK AliG...I went back and gave our girl her completed sex change operation!
I would'nt want trueblue to worry about anymore transgendered issues. She may indeed have a "y" down there...depends how ya look at it!
I look at it this way
I know my male chauvanistic side is showing again... Hey I have four sisters and one of them is my twin...and no brothers. I had to over compensate otherwise I would have grown up a little light in the heals I guess...
Not that there's anything wrong with that!
But I am in touch with my female side! As they say these days.
I did'nt actually come up with this lady spontaneously. I learned it goofin on a teletype while in Nam onboard a helicopter carrier working as a radioman in communications department!
Ya get a little homesick for female companionship when out at sea for 6 to 8 months.
I'll take full responsability for spilling your tea or whatever else it is you're drinking...
We should all get together and have an adult beverage sometime...spouses included...as I am very married...finally...just passed 11 years...
Finally got it right!
Anyway.....This is REALLY a lot of fun!
zman Posted by lymie tony z (Member # 5130) on :
Now Cavey...I would never have sent something like THAT over the airways while in the Navy....against VERY STRICT FCC rules and I would have ended up where a guy from NY did...
Makin little rocks out of big ones...
Besides...twer'nt my fault overthere...twas congress not givin us enough to win...I won't go there though...
Could'a been my luck though...It was the same ship I was on that picked up Apollo13... Everything you may have read about it came thru my little pudgey fingers(not soo pudgey back then)
Five reporters with a different way of saying the same thing and a hookup from the astranauts thru us to Huston voice communications...
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