Believe it or not I was diagnosed with trench mouth..............
I have been a person always proud of my teeth..don;t know how it happened.......
The periodontist told me it is a gramnegative bacteria and prescribed amoxy.......
I'm wondering ,since finish the amoxy and feel again gum discomfort,if I should ask him for a saliva culture?.......
Posted by sizzled (Member # 1357) on :
I am sorry you have to deal with this on top of everything else, Lymeblue.
Yes, I would ask for a culture.
Is rinsing with peroxide recommended?
Posted by Cheryll (Member # 10063) on :
Rinsing with hydrogen peroxide is excellent. Soaking your toothbrush in it between brushings is a good idea as well.
It's gentle and effective. Just don't swallow it. It can be hard on the stomach.
Posted by Lymeblue (Member # 6897) on :
But just wondering too how many people with lyme have had this experience or diagnosis....
I mean my periodontist doesn't look worry or something....I don't even know if I should get scared......I just don't want to loose my teeth!!!!
And when reading literature it says it is because of poor higyene......how come!!! I think it is about immune defficiency issues instead....
Posted by stymielymie (Member # 10044) on :
trench mouth is the ulcerative form of the overgrowth of normal mouth flora. called ANUG acute necrotizing ulcerative gingivitis.
most common cause is major stress usually found college students at finals time.
the best treatment is good thourough cleaning of the teeth , and tetracycline rinses. oral abx is also helpful. i have found tetracylcine rinses work the best.
it tends to dissipate in 10-30 days but can be very long term if the body is debilitated.
some viral components may be present due to the recurance with stress. extra , extra hygiene is necessary to control bacteria. docdave
Posted by Lymeblue (Member # 6897) on :
DOCDAVE!!!!!!!I really love you...... thanks for your suggestion.....right on time of desperation.....
Now I know how to "approach" the periodontist you might even know him , BTW he is in Royal P B area...
But shouldn't the Periodontist prescribe more abx.....I mean after only ten days on amoxy and still with symptoms..even the"strange grey line" in my gum line have not erased 100% and still having the sensation of some slight loose teeth...
For now he told me to use Perio Guard. I'm seeing him next tuesday....He did a thorough "root cleaning" on a couple of front lower teeth the last time.
One more time thanks for you r opinion....I just hope this don't become chronic in my mouth....
My lyme is under control...
Posted by stymielymie (Member # 10044) on :
don't know many dentits here. more abx should be used. i always liked clidamycin 150 tid. i think the tetracycline rinse, although old really helps. may have to take tetra capsule and add to water and swish around mouth for 2-4 minutes 3 times a day.
peridex will probably also help. it actually was the old phisohex they took of the market for doctors to wash hands because too strong.
it kills bacteria in gums very well and most periodontists use it.
dave
Posted by trueblue (Member # 7348) on :
Hi other Blue!
I'm sorry about the trench mouth, ugh, who'd a thought??? Yipes
(I've been putting off going to the dentist until I can afford it. Um... maybe ought to go soon.)
I hope it's better really soon and you are doing well otherwise, another other blue
Posted by Lymeblue (Member # 6897) on :
well I need to go and "jog" around the block with that old attire that we were talking the other day ..you know.....so I can get more money to keep going to the periodontist...
DOCDAVE thanks!!! I'll try the tetra rinse we really need to get together....
Posted by trueblue (Member # 7348) on :
Think we can raise dental funds this way? I wonder if, in my case, might I wind up having to pay...
my attire is getting older all the time.
(You know, we could meet up in the old same place some day, the 3 of us.)
Posted by Lymeblue (Member # 6897) on :
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL......let's PM docdave!!!!....
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
Well, reading on lymenet is like going to medical school of sorts! just read up on trenchmouth. doesn't sound fun...
I don't know if this info would help. Four days into drinking the Ultra mangosteen juice, my gums stopped bleeding and they haven't bled since. And they actually look pink and healthy. This after having bled for years.
If you try the juice(healthfood stores/online), drink lots of water with it, and start with a little bit. It can be a strong detoxer.
Posted by dontlikeliver (Member # 4749) on :
Hey Lymeblue,
Sorry to hear you're still having the gum problems...trench mouth sounds horrible.
DLL
Posted by Laurie (Member # 159) on :
Oh my gosh I had this too! Forgot all about it. It was post-chronic-Lyme but a long time ago. I don't recall what they gave me for it but I do recall OWWWW.
Posted by Lymeblue (Member # 6897) on :
Thanks Laurie...at least knowing that trench mouth is "part of your past" and not a chronic condition that we lymies have to endure is a relief....
I'll keep all of you posted .\
Tusday is my next appt.
Any other experience on this field is wellcome as long the patient kept his/her teeth !!!!
I'm even having nightmares......
Posted by texangirl (Member # 11017) on :
Hey Lymeblue,
I never had trench mouth but while I was pregnant with my daughter I had horrible gingivitis. I never left home without my tube on Numbit.
The problem I have had recently is recurring bouts of thrush.
When I was taking Microbiology in college a couple of years ago, we did a experiment in lab on bacteria in the mouth.
We all did oral swabs and cultured the bacteria.
The lesson was basically about how everyone has different levels of 'normal flora'. There is no norm, everyone's level was differnt despite of personal hygeine.
Just to make you feel better.
Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :
they really oughta change the name of this condition. sorry you have to deal with it.
you might consider oil pulling. this old therapy can do wonders for your mouth and your body as it draws bacteria and other toxins into the oil, plus it is simple and inexpensive to do. the 'pulling' or 'swishing' is followed by peroxide/baking soda/toothpaste brushing because it draws out bacteria. i've done it every day for at least a year and probably will never stop.
try military trail best place for handouts. get them whilr they're turning!!!!!
i collect about $100 a day and no taxes. also sometimes get left over tacos
docdave
Posted by Lymeblue (Member # 6897) on :
DOCDAVE ..what do you mean "left over tacos".....are you posting on the right thread???
Best tacos :Rosalitas...isn't that true Trueblue...
Posted by Laurie (Member # 159) on :
I've also had gingivitis, so bad at times my dentist compared it to a chemical burn. The only thing I can do is brush with warm water, no toothpaste, and rinse with warm salt water. It's of interest to note that this is also a spirochetal disease.
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Keep an eye on your blood sugar level as well as your pancreatic enzymes.
There is a strong link between the health of our gums and pancreatitis.
(Trivia: dogs live much longer if they have all their teeth pulled or if they have periodic cleanings of their teeth.)
If you EVER get pancreatitis...get a mammogram...this can be an early warning sign.
It was for my sister-in-law.
She had the beginning of breast cancer. It was caught in time...thanks to Docs who said, "When you get home (she was on vacation in St. Petersburg and had non-alcohol related pancreatitis), be sure to get a mammogram."
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