I was reading another topic, the one where they are debating some science lyme guy's virtues. And until I read what he wrote about PCR testing, I hadn't really thought about where the bugs go when they die, it didn't occur to me that they just hung out. I thought they would get flushed away, but the brain is kinda jam packed with a blood brain barrier, it must be harder to flush.
I don't want dead bugs in my head. How do you detox your brain?
gambler
Posted by Vermont_Lymie (Member # 9780) on :
I guess it is just that blood flow to the brain carries away metabolic waste products -- including hopefully, dead Bb debris?
I do not know, but read this after a google search:
Workshop on Cerebral Perfusion and Brain Function: Novel Techniques and Applications Bahia Othon Palace Hotel Salvador da Bahia, Brazil 28 July - 1 August 2007
Overview:
Cerebral blood flow is a fundamental and essential physiological entity of critical importance for the survival of brain tissue because it supports brain's energy metabolism for sub serving normal function.
Through the well-regulated cerebral circulation, blood delivers essential nutrients for energy metabolism and hormones to brain tissue and carries away metabolic waste products while regulating temperature.
Unlike any other organ of the body, the brain is particularly dependent on a normal and continuous delivery of blood and critically vulnerable to compromises in blood supply because of the extremely high energy demand of brain.
It is now generally agreed that the human brain, which comprises only 2% of the body's mass but consumes approximately 20% of the body's energy in the form of oxygen consumption, efficiently uses the energy to support its function.
For these reasons, measurements of blood flow and brain function, in general, are very important ways of assessing brain tissue viability, both under normal and pathologic states.
This workshop will encompass many novel techniques and applications used for measuring cerebral perfusion and brain function, both under normal physiology and disease.
Posted by lymeHerx001 (Member # 6215) on :
A drill and an ice cream scoop.
Now that I have no brains, I have no problems Posted by savebabe (Member # 9847) on :
Glutathione!! It flushes all the neurotoxins out of the brain. I noticed an immediate difference when my llmd pushed it through my picc.
Posted by Boomerang (Member # 7979) on :
You really noticed a big difference on the gluta stuff?
I wonder if it wouldn't be a good thing for hubby to take another dose while he's on IV?
He had a dose about 10 days ago, but has started IV since then.
It will flush the toxins?
Posted by lymebytes (Member # 11830) on :
Hi, I have used Jernigans Neuro Antitox II CNS/PNS (natural formulas) they claim it is for detoxing the the central nervous system specifically of lyme die off. I can't say one way or the other if it has worked, I hope so. I have used it "just in case" because, like you I don't want that junk hanging around my CNS either. You can check it out at: http://www.jnutra.net/ Take care.
Posted by clairenotes (Member # 10392) on :
Niacin might help, also. Make sure to buy the kind where you feel the flush, not the no-flush variety.
Clarie
Posted by Boomerang (Member # 7979) on :
Okay, will check them out. Thanks.
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
NORMALLY...glutathione would help, but...enough of the nutrients to make it are not available.
The amino acids n-acetyl cysteine, glycine, and glutamic acid are the primary building blocks of glutathione.
Glutathione is our #1 MAJOR anti-oxidant. All the other anti-oxidants need it!!!
Without enough of our major anti-oxidant, is it surprising that the "next-best" kicks in...melatonin?
Yawn.
Bb has zinc fingers which are cysteine and histidine bound to zinc.
Say so long to cysteine levels.
Glycine is a weird amino acid! Understatement.
It crosses the BBB.
Posted by ByronSBell 2007 (Member # 11496) on :
I am a major Glutathione user on here. I go for a glutathione IV alteast once a week sometimes up to 3 times a week. I dont notice any symptom improvement right away, usually the days after the glutathione push I feel a little better. Your right it is the number one detoxer you can do that is out there! So far I have done about 6 IV's and it kinda needs a cummulative affect to get working good but they are so dern expensive! I get mine also with a myers cocktail and 10g's of vitamin c. Whenever I have the vitamin c it gives me a herx reaction!
Give it a try and see what happens. Only adverse things that have happened to me was one time right after the push I got a sharp pain in my liver area but it subsided quickly and it will smell up your bathroom that day too Posted by Penn92 (Member # 9207) on :
I'm taking NAC (n-acetyl cysteine) 1200mg daily with a selenium supplement. The NAC is a precursor to glutathione and when glutathione combines with selenium it makes glutathione peroxidase which is one of the most important antioxidant enzymes in the body.
Also taking MSM (methylsulfonylmethane) 2000mg daily.
The LLMD recommended these for liver support, but I've noticed an increase in my mental sharpness and much less fatigue since doing this regularly.
Posted by susan2health (Member # 10446) on :
Both NAC and MSM greatly increase dizziness and confusion for me, even glutathione in too high of doses. It seemed to be from moving mercury to brain.
I'm guessing because my detox systems are so badly damaged.
I'm currently nebulizing glutathione purchased via prescription. ($$$) The topical was worthless.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
LED is a very effective treatment for toxins anywhere, including the brain.
Neural Therapy worked for me. But LED goes a lot further and is needle-free!!!!!!
NAC, if not done right, timed right, accompanied by the proper agents, can be carrying metals back into the brain instead of the other way around. Be very careful! Listen to download on Klinghardt.org. where he is being interviewed and has a lot important to share.
Take care.
There is a powder glutathione available that works very well. Easiest to take - no fuss. NatuRx carries it. Don't know who else. It goes a long way and is very reasonably priced. Absorbed in the mouth. Best doctors using it.
Take care.
Posted by Michelle M (Member # 7200) on :
quote:Originally posted by GiGi: [QB] LED is a very effective treatment for toxins anywhere, including the brain.
Neural Therapy worked for me. But LED goes a lot further and is needle-free!!!!!!
Gigi, try as I might all I can come up with is "Light Emitting Diode." (For "LED.") What's LED?
Thanks.
Michelle
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Once more...
Glutathione needs NAC + *glycine* + glutamate.
It is being downregulated and melatonin (second best) is kicking in.
Posted by Takedownthemoon (Member # 9008) on :
Gigi-
I too am interested in LED. Also, NatuRx-cannot find any info on the company. Do you have a website? Thanks in advance!
Posted by clairenotes (Member # 10392) on :
LED -- Laser light passes through a clear glass vial of homeopathic substance and sweeps the body to try to release substances that may affect us. Toxins, allergens, autoimmunity and even infections may be resolved.
It is done by a practitioner. It is not a product to be purchased.
Five years ago, it used to be done in conjunction with foot detox baths.
Claire
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Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Study of plants :
In the dark. GSH (glutathione) content was relatively low ...
Low O[2] did not affect foliar contents of cysteine or glutamate but
prevented the light-induced increase in the glycine pool .
No light...no increase in glycine and thus no increase of glutathione.
O2 may alter this balance. In the presence of more O2, there maybe an increase in glycine availability.
O3 maybe needed. TRIvalent ozone...saunas.
But there are other ways.
I'm telling you...glycine is too low...and hence glutathione (NAC + glycine + glutamate) is low.
Our #1 anti-oxidant protection is kapoot (glutathione).
In steps a "backup"...melatonin.
This is all about light and darkness and availability of O2.
Too many lone O's...free radicals = DNA damage.
Glycine opens chloride channels in neutrophils...our most abundant WBC which via calprotectin binds zinc (in Bb's zinc fingers).
Not enough glycine? It crosses the BBB.
Besides glycine and Cl transport, we must get K back IN the cells too.
So...there are many things "outside the box" that may indeed work for different reasons.
BTW...our brain cells do NOT use d-galactose. They use d-glucose.
D-ribose converts to BOTH. IMO...better choice.
Glycine is liver and brain protective. D-ribose and NAC are cardiac protective.
Gi, Gi...light...that is the key...we need more glycine available. That looks to be why and how the LED treatments work...make more glycine available.
Cysteine and glutamate are not effected by light, but glycine IS... in low oxygen situations.
Importance of glycine:
"Glycine is a protein amino acid found in the protein of all life forms. It is the simplest amino acid in the body and the only protein amino acid that does not have chirality (A molecule is chiral if it cannot be superimposed on its mirror image.)
Although most glycine is found in proteins, free glycine is found in body fluids as well as in plants.
The normal diet contributes approximately 2 grams of glycine daily.
Glycine is not considered an essential amino acid, i. e., the cells in the body can synthesize sufficient amounts of glycine to meet physiological requirements.
However, glycine is of major importance in the synthesis of proteins, peptides, purines, adenosine triphosphate (ATP), nucleic acids, porphyrins, hemoglobin, glutathione, creatine, bile salts, one-carbon fragments, glucose, glycogen, and L-serine and other amino acids.
Glycine is also a neurotransmitter in the central nervous system (CNS). Glycine and gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA) are the major inhibitory neurotransmitters in the CNS.
Recently, a glycine-gated chloride channel has been identified in neurophils that can attenuate increases in intracellular calcium ions and diminish oxidant damage mediated by these white blood cells. Thus, glycine may be a novel antioxidant."
If we can open the Cl channel and open the K channel INWARD, not outward...
While excessive glutamate is harmful, apparently:
"Glutamate reuptake prevents neurotoxicity and sets the lower limit for the concentration of extracellular glutamate."
Apparently...
"three sodium ions and one proton are cotransported with each glutamate ion into the cell, while one potassium ion is transported out of the cell"
It appears Bb prefers to have Na go into the cells because it sure looks to trigger all of this happening.
If we give "extra" NAC together with "extra" glycine + available glutamate (it is in excess and driving Na into the cells)would this restore the transport of K back INTO the cells instead of outward? In other words, we will sop up the excess glutamate and instead make a lot more glutathione with it (when we add extra NAC and glycine).
The excess glycine may open the Cl channels and now we would have, what it appears we need...
KCL.
This is tricky...cardiac wise!!!
To be on the safe side...d-ribose is very cardiac protective. It will supply d-galactose to the body and d-glucose to the brain.
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Posted by cmichaelo (Member # 5873) on :
Doesn't cholesteramine remove toxins too?
According to Dr. S of MD it's THE most efficient method of removinf toxins.
Michael
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Jury's out re: whether or not it depletes CoQ10.
We've discussed this on many occasions.
Search that word here on this website to bring up those discussions.
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
I hope Gi Gi reads my long post above.
NO SODIUM.
Glutamate excess is ALREADY triggering this! "Glutamate reuptake prevents neurotoxicity and sets the lower limit for the concentration of extracellular glutamate."
Apparently...
"three sodium ions and one proton are cotransported with each glutamate ion into the cell, while one potassium ion is transported out of the cell"
It appears Bb prefers Na because it looks to trigger all of this happening.
So what to do?
Mop up glutamate.
It is needed to make glutathione. The other nutrients needed are deficient.
They are NAC and glycine.
With less glutamate, less Na will go INTO the cells and K out.
Looks like it is important to increase NAC and glycine.
Glycine looks to be impacted (positively) by light...those LEDs Gi Gi mentioned.
Glycine crosses the BBB.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Marnie, your researching is wonderful as long as it remains in the Chemistry Department laboratory. I told you before that I do not understand your presentations built on what you assume to be certain sequences.
What I do fully understand though is that nothing that you take into your mouth in form of nutrients, if the roads for the nutrients to get to the cell are blocked - even the best supposedly toxin-effective substances will not bring results.
In a chronically ill body - these roads are blocked, wiped out, connecting to nothing. This is what needs to be addressed first and foremost. You cannot clean up a bathtub filled with gunk and toxin with a gallon of anything. You ruin the tub if you do.
That is why I am so excited about LED.
Take care.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
LED = Laser Energetic Detoxification is being taught all over the world, as I understand it:
LED is a rapid detoxification therapy effective in resolving toxins, allergens, auto immunity and infections as the causes of acute and chronic diseases. Kinesiology and related energetic techniques (EDS, etc.) can be used to identify problems/causes (microbial, biochemical, etc.) to find the optimum treatments.
I have posted about it here previously several times.
Fritz Popp, PhD, a German scientist, and others have proven that biophotons produced by human cells are responsible for information exchange between cells and tissues thus affecting cell growth, cell differentiation and biochemical reactions such as cell detoxification.
LED is a safe and quick detox therapy releasing many toxins quickly.
I wish I had this LED available when I was going through detox. It took a l o n g time for me.
To effectively do the detox, one thing I learned for certain: Sulfa antibiotic residuals in the body (from different sources: antibiotics, animals fed abx, sulfa diabetic drugs, etc.) have to be treated first. It appears that sulfa drug residuals in the body tissues prevent the person to utilize the sulfur nutrients and sulfur drugs that are so necessary to detox certain toxins/neurotoxins (heavy metals, etc. etc. etc.)
Auto-immunity that many of us developed toward our own neurotransmitters, our own hormones, our own organs and glands is treated with LED. This often happens because toxins (pesticide, herbicides, chemicals, hevy metals bind to the organ or gland or hormone receptor, or neurotransmitter receptor. How often have I posted that the metals attach to the hormone producing cells?
Heavy metals is most often the treatment following the treatment of sulfa residuals. Mercury is taken up by parasites and microbes in the body. When we kill the microbes, the mercury is released into the body and has to be treated.
All neurotoxins, the thousands of them, can be addressed with LED, many of them combined into one treatment. The treatment itself takes minutes. The testing/determination of the toxins a body is holding takes longer -- one-two-three- hours, depending on condition.
The development of treatment has been evolving over the last years and gradually been brought to the effectiveness as it is today.
This is one of the most exciting treatments I have encountered and, please, before you start knocking the heck out of it as it is so often done on this board, learn to understand - read up on Popp and biophotons and ---- frequencies.
Take care.
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
LED is releasing glycine...plain and simple.
With this up...more brain protective glutathione.
Posted by AndrewInCA (Member # 2010) on :
Has anyone tried Apex Energetic's OxiCell? It is a glutathione/SOD (Superoxide Dismutase) cream for transdermal absorption.
I have a new container of it but haven't tried it yet. Apex products are quite outstanding. A month ago my adrenals were completely screwed up, I've been using their AdrenaCalm cream and it has made a huge difference. This is all through a person who does homeopathy/muscle testing so things are tested with my body.
- Andrew
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
"LED is releasing glycine...plain and simple.
With this up...more brain protective glutathione
And what happens then, Marnie?
Posted by jasonsmith (Member # 10914) on :
Where are you guys getting these supplements at?
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
Gi Gi...why didn't they TELL us the toxin is...
excessive glutamate?!!!
"glutamate is excreted by immune cells that take part in inflammatory process"
The brakes are off. Ongoing inflammation because Bb wants/needs glutamate.
Sh...oot.
LED works by dilating the vessels, NO - nitric oxide up, REDUCING TNF ALPHA and INactivating the cell warning signal NFkB which is responsible for activating and inactivating genes (important that NFkBIKKA does not trigger a gene that INactivates a tumor SUPPRESSOR gene -> cancer. LED helps to prevent binding.
So does glycine.
Okay...now we have a far superior blood flow (vessels dilated) and now more healing nutrients can REACH the infection, but the question remains
does far infrared via LED/saunas DIRECTLY destroy the pathogen or merely enable US to do that?
This, I found interesting:
(NMJ - neuromuscular junction)
acetylcholine is the neurotransmitter for the mammalian NMJ
glutamate is the neurotransmitter for the insect NMJ
Acetylcholine down, glutamate up. Bb is a happy camper.
Pyruvate...
The amino acids alanine, glycine, serine, cysteine, tryptophan and threonine all have a
common endpoint, the metabolic intermediate
pyruvate.
Threonine is converted to glycine through the removal of an acetaldehyde group, and
***glycine is then converted to serine, then pyruvate. ***
Serine, if phosphorlyated...rebalances the HPA axis.
Now, about getting glutamate to a reasonable level...(Cannot/should not block it completely)...
Researchers are scrambling to figure out what might work. Why?
"Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS) - A progressive and fatal disorder affecting nerve cells that involves
overactivation of glutamate receptors."
"Laboratory research has revealed that in the progressive, debilitating disease ALS, one of the many processes involved in disease progression appears to be damage of nerve cells by
accumulation of glutamate."
And...
"In conclusion, T cell derived TNF-α impairs glutamate clearance capacity of astrocytes in vitro and probably also in vivo providing a pathogenic link to
glutamate excitotoxicity that may contribute to early axonal dysfunction remote from active autoimmune inflammatory demyelination."
That's MS.
Want a list of what looks to lower glutamate or prevent the toxicity of this necessary, but excessive, neurotransmitter?
" If the blood is too acidic (pH too low), the body can break down glutamine into glutamate and ammonia to increae the pH of the blood."
Too acidic...alkaline glucose and many alkaline minerals are deficient.
We're on the same side, Gi Gi.
Posted by Beverly (Member # 1271) on :
Great posts all..
Whey protein shakes, Vitamin C, and B-12 always helped me along with treatment for these diseases especially Babesia.
Posted by Boomerang (Member # 7979) on :
Jason, if you haven't tried NAC, you really should try it.
Start with just one a day and see how you tolerate it. But of course, check with your doctor first!!
Best wishes.
Posted by jasonsmith (Member # 10914) on :
quote:Originally posted by Boomerang: Jason, if you haven't tried NAC, you really should try it.
Start with just one a day and see how you tolerate it. But of course, check with your doctor first!!
Best wishes.
Where's the best place to get NAC from? And what dosage?
Thanks
Posted by jasonsmith (Member # 10914) on :
bump.
Posted by caat (Member # 2321) on :
Jason,
If you read up on amino acids you can make your own combos a LOT cheaper by ordering pure powders on amazon or at your local health food store. NOW brand seems pretty good. All of these powders are white so if anyone mixes there own they need to be careful about placing the already measuered ones in a different pile! Otherwise we forget!
A lot are taken by the gram rather than the miligram. I bet the weight of a teaspoon/tablespoon of these are available SOMEWHERE online. Some of these amino acids are available in foods in large quantities.
Glutathione is absorbed pretty quickly by the intestines- so quickly that body builders say it's better taken IV- otherwise the intestines use most of it and then you just have more intestinal tissue and a distended gut... But... you CAN take it orally.
Here's a quickie on amino acids- there are 2 pages here- great info! Caution- some of these are hormonal precursers and it's best to read up more than this with some of them. But Glutathione & cystine are used for lots of things by lots of people...
CAUTION!!! some amino acids are hormonal precursers/activators!!! Could be good or bad... and some have functions you don't want... Don't mess yourself up!
I don't know much about these yet. I'm starting to google. There are suggestions for; antiaging, body building, drug recovery, illness recovery and MS so far that I've seen.
Posted by Vermont_Lymie (Member # 9780) on :
Marnie,
Are you saying that eating Jello (gelatin, with all that glycine) is going to help boost glutathione?
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