Hi -- I'm treating Lyme and co's with abx, but have activated EBV and HHv6 as well. I'd like to find a natural anti-viral to use against these guys. I've heard olive leaf, monolaurin/lauric acid, etc. Could anyone reply with something that worked for them, with dosage too?
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
anyone?
Posted by Rianna (Member # 11038) on :
My husbad used sub-cut Kuttapressin for 4 months and it totally cleared EBV
Posted by Rianna (Member # 11038) on :
The above link give some info
Posted by treepatrol (Member # 4117) on :
Kutapressin is an immune modulator (up or down?) and a broad spectrum anti-viral. It is a porcine(pig) liver extract. There is very little published research on it.
Posted by Rianna (Member # 11038) on :
Apparantly it is a very old treatment for EBV and other virus's - my husband had chronic EBV and he after 4 months on this his EBV was clear and his CD57 increased - he was told it was an excellent immune enhancer, some links as follows
1) Kutapressin (published, prescription) Kutapressin is an immune modulator and a broad spectrum anti-viral. Dr. Cheney has found that it is most effective when the dose is varied or "pulsed". The dose should vary from 1 to 4 cc daily; see the section on Isoprinosine for this theory. Dr. Cheney strongly suspects Ampligen is a right-to-left shifter also. He has said in the past that Kutapressin is rather like a weak form of Ampligen. http://www.ei-resource.org/Articles/cfs-art17.asp
These herbs are effective against the TBE virus which is a flavivirus- one of the strongest family of viruses there is- ***************************** 1: Vopr Virusol 1991 Jan-Feb;36(1):18-21
Experimental phytotherapy of tick-borne encephalitis.
Fokina GI, Frolova TV, Roikhel' VM, Pogodina VV.
The virucidal effect of aqueous extracts of a number of plants was studied in tick-borne encephalitis (TBE) virus titration in SPEV cell culture in microplates, as well as their capacity to induce resistance in virus-infected mice.
The aqueous extracts of
ledum, motherwort, celandine, black currant, cowberry and bilberry
inactivated TBE virus practically completely, and those of St. John's wort, pot marigold, tansy, chamomile, milfoil, and inula only partially.
Studied in vivo, the extracts of motherwort, ledum, tansy and black currant induced resistance of mice to TBE virus infection assessed by the increased survival rate of the animals and significant prolongation of the average longevity.
The degree of antiviral activity depended on the preparations used and the routes of their administration.
PMID: 1858353
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
No one has mentioned Kutapressin to me. I did note that it is preserved in phenol, which is not good. Does anyone know why there is not much literature available?
Anyone heard anything about Lauric Acid?
Posted by CaliforniaLyme (Member # 7136) on :
There are phenol free preparations!!! ******************************************
1: In Vivo. 1996 May-Jun;10(3):313-8.Links
Potential in vitro activity of Kutapressin against Epstein-Barr virus.
Rosenfeld E, Salimi B, O'Gorman MR, Lawyer C, Katz BZ. Department of Pediatrics, Northwestern University Medical School, Children's Memorial Hospital, Chicago, IL 60614, USA.
BACKGROUND: Kutapressin (KU), a porcine liver extract with bradykinin-potentiating effects but no vitamin B 12 activity, has been used in the treatment of Herpes zoster. We examined a phenol-free preparation of this drug for in vitro activity against Epstein-Barr Virus (EBV).
MATERIALS AND METHODS: Immortalization-inhibition assays were used to assess EBV infectivity. Mitogen stimulation and cell viability assays were used to assess kutapression toxicity. Lytic replication assays and flow cytometry were used to assess the mechanism of drug activity.
RESULTS: Seventy-five hundred mcg/ml of KU blocked the infection of 2 x 10(5) human umbilical cord mononuclear cells when added together with two strains of EBV (B95-8 and FF41). Doses as low as 250 mcg/ml were occasionally effective as well. Unlike acyclovir, KU does not inhibit viral DNA polymerase nor does it appear to compete with EBV as it binds to its receptor on the B-cell surface.
CONCLUSIONS: The mechanism whereby KU may inhibit EBV immortalization remains to be determined. KU, a drug which is safe in humans, deserves further study as an agent with potential to block EBV-induced immortalization of B-lymphocytes.
PMID: 8797033
Posted by CaliforniaLyme (Member # 7136) on :
SO has same mechanism in more than one type of virus studied!!! ************************* 1: Arch Virol. 2001;146(4):777-90. Links
Effect of fatty acids on arenavirus replication: inhibition of virus production by lauric acid.
Bartolotta S, Garc�a CC, Candurra NA, Damonte EB. Laboratorio de Virolog�a, Departamento de Qu�mica Biol�gica, Facultad de Ciencias Exactas y Naturales, Universidad de Buenos Aires, Ciudad Universitaria, Buenos Aires, Argentina.
To study the functional involvement of cellular membrane properties on arenavirus infection, saturated fatty acids of variable chain length (C10-C18) were evaluated for their inhibitory activity against the multiplication of Junin virus (JUNV).
The most active inhibitor was lauric acid (C12), which reduced virus yields of several attenuated and pathogenic strains of JUNV in a dose dependent manner, without affecting cell viability.
Fatty acids with shorter or longer chain length had a reduced or negligible anti-JUNV activity. Lauric acid did not inactivate virion infectivity neither interacted with the cell to induce a state refractory to virus infection.
From mechanistic studies, it can be concluded that lauric acid inhibited a late maturation stage in the replicative cycle of JUNV.
Viral protein synthesis was not affected by the compound, but the expression of glycoproteins in the plasma membrane was diminished.
A direct correlation between the inhibition of JUNV production and the stimulation of triacylglycerol cell content was demonstrated, and both lauric-acid induced effects were dependent on the continued presence of the fatty acid.
Thus, the decreased insertion of viral glycoproteins into the plasma membrane, apparently due to the increased incorporation of triacylglycerols, seems to cause an inhibition of JUNV maturation and release.
PMID: 11402863
1: J Gen Virol. 1994 Feb;75 ( Pt 2):353-61. Links
Lauric acid inhibits the maturation of vesicular stomatitis virus.
Hornung B, Amtmann E, Sauer G. German Cancer Research Centre, Department of Molecular Biology of DNA Tumour Viruses, Heidelberg.
In the presence of lauric acid (C12), the production of infectious vesicular stomatitis virus (VSV) was inhibited in a dose-dependent manner.
The inhibitory effect was reversible; after removal of C12 the antiviral effect disappeared.
In addition, the chain length of the monocarboxylic acids proved to be crucial, as those with shorter or longer chains were less effective or had no antiviral activity. Concomitant with the C12-induced inhibition was the stimulation of triacylglycerol synthesis, increasing the amount up to ninefold.
Analysis of the antiviral mechanism of C12 revealed that the correct assembly of the viral components was disturbed, but viral RNA and protein synthesis remained unimpaired.
By cell fractionation and Western blot analysis the amount of viral M protein located in the plasma membrane was found to be markedly reduced after treatment with C12, whereas in the cytoplasm the quantity of M protein was similar to that in untreated cells.
C12 did not influence M protein synthesis, but prevented the binding of M protein to the host cell membrane, where the protein plays an essential role in virus assembly.
Thus, treatment of VSV-infected cells with C12 resulted in inhibition of virus release.
It is suggested that the newly synthesized triacylglycerols might interact with the host cell plasma membrane and interfere with virus maturation.
PMID: 8113756
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
I am not a doctor & none of this is medical advise
I like L-lysine, garlic, mononlaurin, coconut milk, ginger root & olive leaf extract. The last 3 are also good for yeast control too.
Of all the 4 supps, L-lysine & garlic works the best for me in that order. Do a search here on either one of these supps...there's a ton of info.
Here's a link...scroll down to the post by TerryK:- re article on Dr. T's protocal:
Make sure to talk over everything first with your LLMD
Posted by tymechs (Member # 13131) on :
Hi CD57!
Embarking upon Day 11 of an alternate protocol for EBV & HHV6. 1/2 my LLMD's idea (implemented that part 1st), 1/2 mine (adding that in starting today). If not really helpful real fast, will probably have to move on to Valcyte in a couple weeks due to ticking life-bombs.
Lyme, babs, bart also in the mix, but not addressing those directly now, just the viruses, since that seems to be the show-stopper of the moment (just can't stop sleeping!!!).
Have to leave now, but will try to remember to post more over the next several days. If I forget, remind me.
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
CD57 Member # 11749 posted 12 September, 2007 12:03 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one has mentioned Kutapressin to me. -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi CD57
years ago I did kutapression injections for a long time but unfortuately it did nothing for me. Although other posters have mentioned some benefits. I guess, like alot of lyme treatments, it may depend on individual response.
Take care Dana
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
For viral suppression I take the monolaurin brand by Ecological formulas and was wondering what the difference was in the lauricidin.com?
Are they both the same supp? How do they differ?
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
Hey Dana! Does it work? Ie; have you noticed a difference and are your titers suppressed? I know no one can get rid of these viruses but we can make them "go away".....
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
Hi CD57
Can't really say for sure what has helped the most. I have done so many traditional & alternative treatments over the last 3/4 years, its hard to pin down one thing. I have not done any rx 's for viral as yet.
But I have noticed since starting the new supps ~ Garlic, L-lysine & upping my intake of coconut milk I am having a few more good days.
I hesitate sometimes to share whats helped me, because usually the same protocals don't work the same for everyone.
My personal opinion about the viral component ~ like chronic lyme ~ I think it is possible with the right combinations for your specific body needs, to get them into remission.
Take care Dana
none of the above is medical advise...just my 2 cents
Posted by w0tm (Member # 13104) on :
"Transfer agents" are "natural" and supposed to suppress virals such as herpes six (an EB-V). www.immunitytoday.com is one who sells such products.
The term "transfer agent" is explained on the Web site but Google the term for more information. I believe Immune Care 64 (IC64) suppressed herpes six in my body but it occurred so slowly and I had/have no many other related illnesses going on at the same time, I can't say for sure.
Anyway, it's something to check out for a non-antibiotic supplement. The explanation of how a "transfer agent" sounds logical. My symptoms of herpes six are 98% gone from a year ago when I began taking the product -- but who knows.
I have taken so many other drugs, herbs, supplements, treatments and so forth, I can't say for sure what has suppressed my various EB-V illnesses and what has not. Would I take IC64 again? Yes, in fact, I am down to a maintenance dose of one pill a day. "Better safe than sorry" theory I suppose.
Posted by listenswithcare (Member # 10719) on :
I have used homeopathics for viruses in the past (and am using them now). I saw a homeopathic doctor for several years, but lately I have used the remedies I learned about while he treated me when my symptoms suggest viral infection.
I have used remedies from Deseret Biologicals and Professional Complimentary products. I have been able to buy these on my own. If anyone is interested in more information, please PM me.
Robin
Posted by CherylSue (Member # 13077) on :
My experience with antivirals:
Lauricidin pellets - too strong, and herxed too much.
Epicor - long term use is supposed to help prevent colds, flu, etc. I've been on it 3 months so far. I'll tell you after the winter if it works or not.
Nexavir transdermal gel - modest results - took for 3 months. Nexavir is the new kutapressin
Note: From what I've read, treat the babesia first because it brings down the immunesystem. All the infections will be easier to clear if you take care of this one.
My opinion.
CherylSue
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
Nexavir transdermal gel? Wow, that's an antiviral?
These responses are very interesting. The transfer factor sounds great too. It's extremely expensive though (sigh). It must be popular because they are currently sold out!
All -- did your regular MDs or LLMDs know about these treatments? Or were these more naturopaths or homeopaths that did?
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