I'm so discouraged. My sinuses are a mess and I just found out the the CT scan showed a completely blocked maxillary sinus.
It's blocked by a large polyp. Guess what that means?
I can't imagine trying to go through a surgery right now....but nothing else is working.
My fears:
steroids used in surgery huge possibility of infection [worse than I already have] Lyme disease
Would someone please come over and hold my hand?
Posted by Pocono Lyme (Member # 5939) on :
Hey tutu,
I had sinus surgery back in May. It really wasn't that bad. I had to have all the sinuses cleaned out.
It was easier afterwards than I expected. The only pain I had, two days later, was the roof of my mouth. It was from being suctioned.
Good luck. I was taken off of treatment prior to that and did a Medrol pack prior to surgery. No ill effects.
Posted by amkdiaries (Member # 7035) on :
I am sorry about your sinuses but maybe you can get another opinion and delay the surgery.
I know what you mean when you state your concerns. I have put off my hernia surgery for 6 years because of fear of complications-not a wise thing to do but if you are not feeling too bad otherwise it might be something to consider.What did the surgeon say?
The one I saw didn't seem concerned at all when I went down the list of my symptoms including cardiac ones but everyone is different.
Wish you the best!
Posted by trueblue (Member # 7348) on :
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I'm thinking about you and hope whatever you need to do turns out to be the easiest safest way.
Toots, is there any way to shrink a polyp?
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by trueblue: Toots, is there any way to shrink a polyp?
None that I know of....but what do *I* know?? You wouldn't believe the things I've been snortin' up my nose for the past 3-4 wks! Thanks guys. Glad to hear that yours went well, Pocono.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Sorry your sinuses are giving you so much trouble ... I'll bet the anticipation will be worse than the actual surgery ... Let's hope so!
Posted by aiden424 (Member # 7633) on :
Sorry to hear that you have to have surgery!! I've had surgery a couple time since I've been sick with lyme and everything went ok.
Think how much better you'll feel when it's over!!
Hugs, Kathy
Posted by savebabe (Member # 9847) on :
I had sinus surgery back in Feb, and I was able to bounch back from the surgery.
I must say it is not easy to go through, but my head feels so much better now. You don't realize how everything is blocked until you open it up.
Sorry to hear you have to go through this, but you will feel much better after the surgery.
Posted by bettyg (Member # 6147) on :
i may be in the same boat on another nose surgery in future after hubby's 2 catarach t surgeries startaring tomorrow.
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
Lymetoo,
Good luck. I know you can handle it! Does "tick" you off when you start to feel better and something else goes wrong, though.
You are in my prayers. Hiker53
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
This is an older site, but all other info is only in German. It is widely used there. I have the ongoing results from hospitals, medical doctors, etc. going bac to 1992. But all again only in German.
The Rizoles are available in any pharmacy in Germany. I have bought them both here and in Germany.
They are effective for bacteria, fungi, viruses, parasites and tumor cells.
You will also find my posts here on Ozonated Rizoles.
Ozonated rizoles has helped me with sinus related problems. Neural Therapy works well, and there is now Neural Therapy without Needles available. Procaine with green laser, combined with the oils, takes minutes to loosen things up.
For me, sinus problems were mostly also fungi related.
Hope you find the right solution.
Take care.
Sharing my experiences.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
My biggest concern, I guess, is stepping foot into that hospital again. Every time I do, I leave with an infection.
Gigi....huh?? What does all that mean as far as treatment??
Posted by Boomerang (Member # 7979) on :
I would hold your hand if I could!!! We'll all be there in spirit, though.
Take care.
Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
Hi lymetoo,
sorry you have to go threw this and I really do understand your concern about hopitals.
Is there any way A doc can do it in a smaller surgery center. For myself and my family, we seem to have better luck there as far as the infection aspect goes.
I also wish I could hold your hand so here's some cyber (((hugs))))
I'll keep you in my prayers healing hugs Dana
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Thanks guys. My next appointment with the ENT is three weeks away.
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
tutu, So sorry to hear that you may need surgery.
Unfortunately I can't be there in person but I'll be glad to be one of your virtual hand holders.
Please let us know what happens at your next appointment. I'll keep you in my prayers.
Terry
Posted by Geneal (Member # 10375) on :
Dear Lymetoo,
I will be holding your hand in spirit.
I would thoroughly discuss my prior health issues/concerns with the ENT.
I would request some heavy duty antibiotics during your stay.
Is this an outpatient surgery? Or do you have to spend the night?
Ask about steroids.....see if they have to use them or can they do something else.
Never a dull moment in your life either, huh?
You hang in there. I think anticipation (especially at least 3 weeks worth)
Wreaks more havoc on your system that the actual surgery.
Will be praying for that polyp to just go away in the meantime.
Hugs,
Geneal
Posted by Cobweb (Member # 10053) on :
Sure you haven't just been shoving peas up your nose?
I'm sending you a sympathy card.
Carol
Posted by just don (Member # 1129) on :
here is what I 'learned' on a recent trip to help the elderly of the family,,,in the chemo waiting room,,,one day.
This guy was there and said he just had a polyp taken out of his sinuses,,,he said the doc said it was important to get it outta there cause its too close to the brain.
Lots of some of them are pre-cancerous. So rest assured removing it is the least of your worries.
The guy looked none the worse for wear,,,but sure its no fun. I had a deviated septum corrected once and they took apart my nose and reassembled it.
Thats why I look so bad,,,well I tried that excuse anyway!! Holding your hand would be the highlight of my day!! mostly--just don--
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Hey Cobby, that pic looks right...just my polyp is on the right side, not left. Can't you do anything right?? You're RIGHT, it COULD be the peas!
One tidbit of success....I'm actually getting some crud out of that RIGHT side! For weeks now, NOTHING was coming out of that side.
Thanks to all the hand-holders! Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
It might be worth a shot to do some Zith & Artemisinin while you're waiting for EMT appt. Maybe you can shrink it. ???
some Wiki info:
Nasal polyps are most often treated with steroids, topical or oral, but can also be treated with surgical methods.
Pre-post surgery, sinus rinses with a warm water (240ml / 8oz) mixed with a small amount (teaspoon) of salts (sodium chloride & sodium bicarbonate) can be very helpful to clear the sinuses.
This method can be also used as a preventative measure to discourage the polyps from growing back and should be used in combination with a nasal steroid.
Mometasone furoate, commonly available as a nasal spray for treating common allergy symptoms, has been indicated in the United States by the FDA for the treatment of nasal polyps since December 2004.
you can go to mastamariner.com to download a cursor that looks like a Border Collie to make it more fun!
and some hugs:
Ali
Posted by Cobweb (Member # 10053) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lymetoo: Hey Cobby, that pic looks right...just my polyp is on the right side, not left. Can't you do anything right?? You're RIGHT, it COULD be the peas!
One tidbit of success....I'm actually getting some crud out of that RIGHT side! For weeks now, NOTHING was coming out of that side.
Thanks to all the hand-holders!
picky picky picky-
Personally- I think it's just a petrified booger.
Unfortunately I can't send card right now-something seems to be blocking my way....hmmmm. Maybe my computer has some peas stuck ,too.
Posted by Cobweb (Member # 10053) on :
Hey Ali- I'm going to play that Sheep game next time I can't sleep when someone gives me some disturbing news just before bedtime! Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Thanks for the links, Ali. I'll explore them more later....gotta get ready to leave the house.
Hey PEAweb, I'll ask my doc about the possibility of a petrified booger. Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobweb:
Hey Ali- I'm going to play that Sheep game next time I can't sleep when someone gives me some disturbing news just before bedtime!
ROFLMAO!
Thanks alot, PAL!!
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Pre-post surgery, sinus rinses with a warm water (240ml / 8oz) mixed with a small amount (teaspoon) of salts (sodium chloride & sodium bicarbonate) can be very helpful to clear the sinuses. ====================
And added to that is filtered Xango, colloidal silver and grapefruit complex (drops). Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
"Gigi....huh?? What does all that mean as far as treatment??"
Lymetoo, if it were my nose it would mean a couple of drops of one of the ten Ozonated Rizoles on a Q-tip up my nose followed by sweeping the area with my green laser for a few seconds. And of course repeated.
I do a similar self-help ( I don't have polyps) to the foot which I fractured two years ago. If I am on it a lot, which happens to be all the time, it tends to swell because it is structurally not perfect, muscles and nerves. affected. I then rub a bit of oil on it and laser it in. Takes a couple of drops of oil and a green laser and a few seconds. Swelling goes down. Obviously stimulating the lymphatics. And no pain. If I had arthritis in that foot, I would do the same thing maybe using Traumeel with green laser.
Cuts and bruises and slashes (we have a big yard with many trees and bushes......) do not normally heal so well in older folk like us. Green laser helps to close it up very quickly.
I do the same thing if I have a "stuffy" nose - I laser it a bit with a procaine vial (activates the nerve ganglia just like Neural Therapy) and drains and clears almost instantly.
If I can possibly avoid it, nobody is ever going to be allowed with a knife on my body. My thought: The polyp is caused by something!!! Just taking the polyp away surgically may not address the problem totally and forever. The ozonated oils might address the cause. ART would give you a more distinct answer.
If you understand what a scar can do to your nerve transmission system, you then have to deal with the scar that is left behind after a surgical intervention. Chronic patients -- Scars are the very first thing that is treated by doctors who use Neural Therapy in their practice. Scars often disturb the nerve communication in the body and block the autonomic nervous system resulting in all sorts of disturbances. A tiny scar from an old vaccination can cause this.
Just some thoughts.
We are delicate creatures!
Wait until I tell you when I have time how I revived an almost dead Robin that had hit our skywindow-overhang last Sunday!
Take care.
Just sharing "my thing" - everbody do their thing!
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Lymetoo, if it were my nose it would mean a couple of drops of one of the ten Ozonated Rizole on a Q-tip ...
Where do you find that?
I kinda doubt the polyp can be reached with a Q-tip. [??] The dr could not see it even with his instruments.
Thanks!
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
Tutu, sorry about your peas getting stuck. I had read a post from you a couple weeks ago and you were taking abx? Was abx for sinus infection?
It is scarey to go into the hospital now with all the horror stories going on about staph infections that kill. You know because you've lived through hospital infections that just keep going and going.
I hope it disappears in those three weeks.
Pam
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Lymetoo, I am not saying "do not remove the polyp". I am saying what I would do if it were my nose.
Sharing our experiences.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by map1131: Tutu, sorry about your peas getting stuck. I had read a post from you a couple weeks ago and you were taking abx? Was abx for sinus infection? YEP
It is scarey to go into the hospital now with all the horror stories going on about staph infections that kill. You know because you've lived through hospital infections that just keep going and going. YEP!
I hope it disappears in those three weeks. AMEN sister!
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by GiGi: Lymetoo, I am not saying "do not remove the polyp". I am saying what I would do if it were my nose.
I appreciate your input, Gigi! Now about those ozonated rizoles....? Is that what's in the sinus wars stuff?
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobweb: Flare those nostrils-here comes the card!
That was so cute! Thank you!! Posted by micul (Member # 6314) on :
Serrapeptase and Sinusitis
Due to its inflammatory properties, serrapeptase has been shown in clinical studies to benefit chronic sinusitis sufferers. In this condition, the mucus in patients' nasal cavities is thickened and hypersecreted. This thickening causes mucus to be expelled less frequently.
Japanese researchers evaluated the effects of serratiopeptidase (30 mg/day orally for four weeks) on the elasticity and viscosity of the nasal mucus in adult patients with chronic sinusitis. Serratiopeptidase reduced the viscosity of the mucus, improving the elimination of bronchopulmonary secretions.(23)
Other clinical trials support serrapeptase's ability to relieve the problems associated with chronic sinusitis. In one study, 140 patients with acute or chronic ear, nose and throat pathologies were evaluated with either a placebo or the active serratia peptidase.
Patients taking the serrapeptase experienced a significant reduction in severity of pain, amount of secretion, purulence of secretions, difficulty in swallowing, nasal dysphonia, nasal obstruction, anosmia, and body temperature after three to four days and at the end of treatment.
Patients suffering from laryngitis, catarrhal rhinopharyngitis and sinusitis who were treated with serrapeptase experienced a significant and rapid improvement of symptoms after 3-4 days. Physicians assessed efficacy of treatment as excellent or good for 97.3 percent of patients treated with serrapeptase compared with only 21.9 percent of those treated with a placebo.(24)
Respiratory diseases are characterized by increased production of a more dense mucus modified in viscosity and elasticity. Traditionally, in respiratory diseases, muco-active drugs are prescribed to reestablish the physicochemical characteristics of the mucus in order to restore respiratory function. Some of these drugs, however, cause a functional depletion of mucus, whereas Serrapeptase alters the elasticity of mucus without depleting it.(25,27)
A powerful agent by itself, serrapeptase teamed with antibiotics delivers increased concentrations of the antimicrobial agent to the site of the infection. Bacteria often endure a process called biofilm formation, which results in resistance to antimicrobial agents.
In an attempt to prevent this bacterial immunity, researchers have experimented with various means of inhibiting biofilm-embedded bacteria. Their search may have ended with serrapeptase.
One study conducted by Italian researchers suggests that proteolytic enzymes could significantly enhance the activities of antibiotics against biofilms. Antibiotic susceptibility tests showed that serratiopeptidase greatly enhances the activity of the antibiotic, ofloxacin, and that it can inhibit biofilm formation.(28)
Another double-blind randomized study evaluated the effects of administering the antibiotic cephalexin in conjunction with serrapeptase or a placebo to 93 patients suffering from either perennial rhinitis, chronic rhinitis with sinusitis or chronic relapsing bronchitis.
The serratia peptidase treated group experienced significant improvement in rhinorrhea, nasal stuffiness, coryza and improvement of the para-nasal sinus shadows.(29)
Researchers witnessed equally impressive results in the treatment of infections in lung cancer patients undergoing thoracotomy. Serrapeptase and cefotiam, an antibiotic with a broad spectrum of activity against both Gram-positive and Gram-negative microorganisms, were administered to 35 thoracotomy patients with lung cancer.
The patients were divided into two groups. A single dose of cefotiam was administered to the 17 subjects in Group I. The 18 subjects in Group II received a combination of Cefotiam and serrapeptase. The level of the antibiotic in the tissues versus the blood was significantly higher in the serrapeptase group than the single dose group.(30)
Posted by Vermont_Lymie (Member # 9780) on :
Feel better Tutu!
Serrapeptase (above posted by micul) sounds potentially helpful...
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