Whereas in mine (below) it seems to be fully inside the cell? What does it all mean?
Posted by jamescase20 (Member # 14124) on :
How can you tell there fully inside the cell, if they are fully inside the cell, you CANT see them. There sitting on the outside, attached to the cells outter wall.
Posted by painted turtle (Member # 7801) on :
What does the text underneath the picture say?
You can always call the lab and ask questions if you need to.
Posted by kelmo (Member # 8797) on :
Those are bizarre. I've never seen it clustered like that.
Usually, with babesia, there is a circle or X shape in the blood cell.
What does it say on the blood slide?
You can call the lab and ask.
Posted by disturbedme (Member # 12346) on :
Yeah, I'd call and ask Fry Labs about it. I'm sure they'll be very helpful.
Mine's like the ones you saw that are on the outside of the cell:
Also, if you call them and ask Fry about it, please tell us what they say! Posted by LymeCFIDSMCS (Member # 13573) on :
The text next to the slide says: "Many coccobacilli adherent to erythrocytes indicated with arrows. This is suggestive of bartonella spp."
My bartonella IgG was 1:64 (B. quintana & hensalae). I was negative at Fry for babs, ehrlichia, ANA, and anaplasma.
Posted by painted turtle (Member # 7801) on :
Hmmmmm....I'd call the lab ASAP if I were you and inquire about it.
Posted by Gabrielle (Member # 5329) on :
Did you notice that in Disturbed's blood smear Fry says: "This is consistent with Bartonella ssp." and in LymeCFIDSMCS's picture they say: "This is suggestive of bartonella spp."?
In my picture there was only 1 coccobacillus and they also said: "This is suggestive of bartonella spp."
Does that mean they are not sure which kind of bacilli one can see in LymeCFIDSMCS's and my blood?
Gabrielle
Posted by LymeCFIDSMCS (Member # 13573) on :
Okay I just talked to a lab tech and Fry and this is what he said:
He said that since a slide is a 2-dimensional representation of a 3-dimensional object, cells may just be facing away, so the bartonella may actually be on the outside and not the inside, just on the outside facing the viewer.
I said well it's kind of weird that all six of the marked cells on my slide would be facing the same direction. . . He also said it could be a species of bartonella that likes to lodge in the concave part of the red blood cells. I asked if he knew what species of bart. do that and he said the research isn't out yet.
Now I really want to talk to anyone else who has a slide similar to mine, because perhaps we have a similar species?
Posted by aiden424 (Member # 7633) on :
It seems like there have been several people who have had Bart IgG 1:64 results from the Fry Bart test. Is that unusual, or maybe I'm mistaken?
Kathy
Posted by LymeCFIDSMCS (Member # 13573) on :
Am I nuts or does my blood smear kind of resemble this one of bartonella bacilliformis:
I'm not saying I have this strain (I've never been to S. America, for one, so it makes no sense), just that this type of bartonella seems to behave more as the lab tech suggested.
This article notes that "B. bacilliformis can adhere to and enter red blood cells and its continued interaction leads to extensive deformation of the red cell surface, as pits and invaginations develop."
Posted by kelmo (Member # 8797) on :
WOW, that's very interesting.
Every bart slide I've seen have them sticking to the side of the cell.
Posted by mikej2323 (Member # 8913) on :
Yeah, that is strange...every other time I've followed a Fry smear thread, it always states "adherent".
Our "text" said exactly the same thing...same titer result, too.
How did you get a copy of the slide? We only got a fax and it's not very clear.
moderate number of coccobacilli adherent to erythrocytes this is suggestive of bartonella spp.
Posted by LymeCFIDSMCS (Member # 13573) on :
That last slide looks a lot more like mine -- maybe we have the same strain? What are your main bart symptoms?
I got the copy of the slide from my doctor.
Posted by jamescase20 (Member # 14124) on :
NO, it MAKES perfect sense. YOU PROBLY DO HAVE THE STRAIN from s. america. My cat had, MANY years ago, classic signs of Bart 1, carrions disease, which said to exist ONLY in the mountains in s. america. Dont forget, airplanes fly, bring people, alliens cross our boarders. Etc. The doctors just dont know it yet.
Posted by jamescase20 (Member # 14124) on :
BART 23, the new discovered bart found in someone who flew back from s america in 2006, looked exactly like bart no 1, but it turned out to be a new discovered strain, the lady infected lived in San Fran. I have a strong hunch, this is the new bart most of us have. But this bart, no rash, just the sores. Purple wort, LATER in infection, sometimes no sore, or 1 sore. Weak imunne sys has MANY sores. This is what adis victims broke out with in the early 90s
Posted by LymeCFIDSMCS (Member # 13573) on :
So the purple sores look like Kaposi's Sarcoma? Is that what you're saying? Wow. I have had the crimson crescents typical of CFIDS (back of throat) that some postulate have a relationship to Kaposi's Sarcoma sores.
I think my bart symptoms most closely match accounts I have read of bartonella vinsonii, which is in dogs and coyotes and causes a lot of cardiac problems. It has been written up in at least one or two human cases as well.
Can someone explain why they can test for these species in coyotes but not in me though? Do I have to see a veterinarian?
Posted by Tumble weed (Member # 15362) on :
Hi my main problem is tired ,very tired what is your main problem lymecfidsmcs ??
Posted by LymeCFIDSMCS (Member # 13573) on :
I've got epic tiredness too, different from the CFIDS I had before bart. But my main problems are cardiac and neurological. The tired is really bad though: I feel in a total fog most of the time.
Posted by christinelyme2 (Member # 15028) on :
Hi! I was wondering if anyone else has
the numbness and tinglyness on different parts
of their body? I also have spots on my MRI's
and doctors think I have MS. I was diagnosed
with lyme two years ago. Now I'm going to see a
specialist for the first time next week. What
questions are good to ask? Posted by mikej2323 (Member # 8913) on :
LymeCFIDSMCS-
Those crimson crescents are a commonplace with mycoplasma. Don't know if you have looked into that much.
How did you go about getting a quality slide on your computer? Did you scan it? Ours was faxed and it's not clear.
Hi the doc will get the pics / my pic took 2-3wks after the fax I scand them i'm not sure that it is bart the levaquin is not working??? What kind of( what )is in cells
[ 05. May 2008, 01:52 PM: Message edited by: Tumble weed ]
Posted by LymeCFIDSMCS (Member # 13573) on :
That's interesting about the mycoplasma/crimson crescents connection. I had read that the crescents could be a manifestation of the herpes virus (HHV-7? 8?) that causes Kaposi's Sarcoma in AIDS patients.
I did test for mycoplasma many years ago with Garth Nicolson's lab when he was finding high percentages of CFIDS patients and Gulf War vets with mycoplasma in their blood and treating with long-term antibiotic. My tests then were negative.
I had a really clear picture that my doc sent me and scanned it -- I'm sure you'll be able to get one.
Posted by tickbattler (Member # 14873) on :
Hi there,
I just wanted to mention that my husband's Fry lab smear looked exactly like yours and he tested positive for bart quintana at 1:64. They wrote the same description on the smear as yours.
My husband also has lyme and babesia. The babesia came back at 1:64, but they did not mention seeing it in the smear.
We think he has had lyme since summer of 06 and started treatment in Sept 07. His current symptoms are headache, fatigue, brain fog and motion sickness. He is able to function and work but it is hard for him. He used to have many more symptoms such as insomnia, muscle pain, head buzzing, frequent urination, nausea.
Hope this helps,
tickbattler
Posted by Aligondo Bruce (Member # 6219) on :
I am wondering if someone can tell me HOW to get the good photos of the slides from FRY. All they sent me was a crappy xerox (from my docs office) and you can't tell anything, at all. I want the actual photos.
I found the people at fry to be very unhelpful.
Posted by skigal (Member # 7443) on :
Bruce, since YOU paid for the test, ask your doc for the original color picture. Doc's office can keep the xerox copy.
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