Whereas in mine (below) it seems to be fully inside the cell? What does it all mean?
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How can you tell there fully inside the cell, if they are fully inside the cell, you CANT see them. There sitting on the outside, attached to the cells outter wall.
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The text next to the slide says: "Many coccobacilli adherent to erythrocytes indicated with arrows. This is suggestive of bartonella spp."
My bartonella IgG was 1:64 (B. quintana & hensalae). I was negative at Fry for babs, ehrlichia, ANA, and anaplasma.
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Did you notice that in Disturbed's blood smear Fry says: "This is consistent with Bartonella ssp." and in LymeCFIDSMCS's picture they say: "This is suggestive of bartonella spp."?
In my picture there was only 1 coccobacillus and they also said: "This is suggestive of bartonella spp."
Does that mean they are not sure which kind of bacilli one can see in LymeCFIDSMCS's and my blood?
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Okay I just talked to a lab tech and Fry and this is what he said:
He said that since a slide is a 2-dimensional representation of a 3-dimensional object, cells may just be facing away, so the bartonella may actually be on the outside and not the inside, just on the outside facing the viewer.
I said well it's kind of weird that all six of the marked cells on my slide would be facing the same direction. . . He also said it could be a species of bartonella that likes to lodge in the concave part of the red blood cells. I asked if he knew what species of bart. do that and he said the research isn't out yet.
Now I really want to talk to anyone else who has a slide similar to mine, because perhaps we have a similar species?
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It seems like there have been several people who have had Bart IgG 1:64 results from the Fry Bart test. Is that unusual, or maybe I'm mistaken?
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I'm not saying I have this strain (I've never been to S. America, for one, so it makes no sense), just that this type of bartonella seems to behave more as the lab tech suggested.
This article notes that "B. bacilliformis can adhere to and enter red blood cells and its continued interaction leads to extensive deformation of the red cell surface, as pits and invaginations develop."
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WOW, that's very interesting.
Every bart slide I've seen have them sticking to the side of the cell.
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moderate number of coccobacilli adherent to erythrocytes this is suggestive of bartonella spp.
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That last slide looks a lot more like mine -- maybe we have the same strain? What are your main bart symptoms?
I got the copy of the slide from my doctor.
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NO, it MAKES perfect sense. YOU PROBLY DO HAVE THE STRAIN from s. america. My cat had, MANY years ago, classic signs of Bart 1, carrions disease, which said to exist ONLY in the mountains in s. america. Dont forget, airplanes fly, bring people, alliens cross our boarders. Etc. The doctors just dont know it yet.
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BART 23, the new discovered bart found in someone who flew back from s america in 2006, looked exactly like bart no 1, but it turned out to be a new discovered strain, the lady infected lived in San Fran. I have a strong hunch, this is the new bart most of us have. But this bart, no rash, just the sores. Purple wort, LATER in infection, sometimes no sore, or 1 sore. Weak imunne sys has MANY sores. This is what adis victims broke out with in the early 90s
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So the purple sores look like Kaposi's Sarcoma? Is that what you're saying? Wow. I have had the crimson crescents typical of CFIDS (back of throat) that some postulate have a relationship to Kaposi's Sarcoma sores.
I think my bart symptoms most closely match accounts I have read of bartonella vinsonii, which is in dogs and coyotes and causes a lot of cardiac problems. It has been written up in at least one or two human cases as well.
Can someone explain why they can test for these species in coyotes but not in me though? Do I have to see a veterinarian?
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Hi my main problem is tired ,very tired what is your main problem lymecfidsmcs ??
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I've got epic tiredness too, different from the CFIDS I had before bart. But my main problems are cardiac and neurological. The tired is really bad though: I feel in a total fog most of the time.
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Hi the doc will get the pics / my pic took 2-3wks after the fax I scand them i'm not sure that it is bart the levaquin is not working??? What kind of( what )is in cells
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That's interesting about the mycoplasma/crimson crescents connection. I had read that the crescents could be a manifestation of the herpes virus (HHV-7? 8?) that causes Kaposi's Sarcoma in AIDS patients.
I did test for mycoplasma many years ago with Garth Nicolson's lab when he was finding high percentages of CFIDS patients and Gulf War vets with mycoplasma in their blood and treating with long-term antibiotic. My tests then were negative.
I had a really clear picture that my doc sent me and scanned it -- I'm sure you'll be able to get one.
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Hi there,
I just wanted to mention that my husband's Fry lab smear looked exactly like yours and he tested positive for bart quintana at 1:64. They wrote the same description on the smear as yours.
My husband also has lyme and babesia. The babesia came back at 1:64, but they did not mention seeing it in the smear.
We think he has had lyme since summer of 06 and started treatment in Sept 07. His current symptoms are headache, fatigue, brain fog and motion sickness. He is able to function and work but it is hard for him. He used to have many more symptoms such as insomnia, muscle pain, head buzzing, frequent urination, nausea.
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I am wondering if someone can tell me HOW to get the good photos of the slides from FRY. All they sent me was a crappy xerox (from my docs office) and you can't tell anything, at all. I want the actual photos.
I found the people at fry to be very unhelpful.
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Bruce, since YOU paid for the test, ask your doc for the original color picture. Doc's office can keep the xerox copy.
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