If you are interested please PM. Others are starting to join.
Nothing ventured nothing gained.
Let's seek wellness. Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Bob, if all else fails, you can always come out here and try ours! when we get it.
Take care.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Thanks GiGi ... I'll take that as plan B ... Very much appreciated. Posted by heiwalove (Member # 6467) on :
i don't live in MD but i would absolutely be willing to travel there for treatments if this pans out. Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
I'll keep you posted as to the groups progress and and how things can be leveraged. A lot factors come into play the size of the group and logistics of how and when people will get there turn with the unit. My feeling is first come first served as far as the group is concerned.
Building a group is a challenge, you have to get the word out. I'm sure 99% aren't even aware how this product may benefit them and others are on the fence. To get off the fence one way or the other is embracing the information available. Its going to take time and a little persistence. I'm hoping folks can see Dr. Woitzel's use of the laser cured 1,200 people of lyme and want to take advantage of his methods.
We'll say 10 people choose to participate we get the laser. Logistically the laser would only need per person 1 1/2 hours per week. And all we have to do is car pool the unit.
We'll say logistically we can accomodate 8 treatments per day given a daily schedule (given a lot of carpooling) 56 treatments per week. 8 treatments is about 6 hours and 4 hours of carpooling. We'll say a treatment duration is 8 weeks. So every two months another 24 people could be treated off a single unit.
I guess the idea is to form a group of 25 families as a beta test.
The main idea is to keep the unit busy and keep a good schedule.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
bump
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
Wow, this sounds great. I wish I was well enough to join this group. I can barely leave the hosue to go to the doctors. I dont know what is going to help me get well? I dont know anything anymore.
I wish you guys luck. I live in Mass, so thats a ways away. Do you have many people in this group yet? Is this safe?
I am going to read GiGI's thread but I dot understand how this is CURING anything....I ahve learned not to take that word too serisouly lately.....Its been thrown at me A LOT.
I will start reading that thread today....
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
WOW ....I wish I can come there to.
I wish We can be able to ofer here in NorthEAST .I would see my LLMD next month and I would offer the information.
I think ( I am not sure that she uses ART as well) and she uses Muscle testing.
She has a machine for the increase of a NK cellers.And she works on the body as a WHOLE.
I just hope that she will be willing to look into it.
If you were a little closer I would have cheaped IN!
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
We should to putting more machines in this country so we may all benefit and we should work to do that. Along with other therapies known in germany but somehow not found here.
When we've proven one machine works in this country then more groups will form.
The only benefit I want is my health and that is all I will receive.
Posted by Cobweb (Member # 10053) on :
I live in Maryland, but fortunately I don't need it since I have been able to get better with more traditional means via my LLMD.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Cobweb, hope you get not just better, but totally well -- that's the main thing. Good luck.
Bob, just thought I would kick this up. My invitation still stands just in case. Good luck to you too!
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Cobweb : Why don't you take the information to your llmd. See if he would recommend you do both. Don't mention the treatment group though, just mention the process of using Professor F. A. Popps use of biophotons and then Dr. Woitzel's success through the bionic 880. See what he says.
Posted by Cobweb (Member # 10053) on :
Chances are she already knows since LymeNet is one of the links on her website.
Posted by Cobweb (Member # 10053) on :
quote:Originally posted by GiGi: Cobweb, hope you get not just better, but totally well -- that's the main thing. Good luck.
Does this mean you don't believe in "Chronic Lyme" GIGI?
It would be great to get totally well from a chronic disease-then the IDSA would be right-there is no such thing as chronic lyme.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Cobweb you really like to simplify a complex problem with a label. Yes chronic lyme exists. Lyme instigates the dysregulation of body functions which cause symptoms.
Lets say you killed all the lyme in your body with a course of antibiotics. Will the antibiotics fix those areas where lyme dysregulated the function? Our bodies may fix some of the dysregulation, but how much? I think Fritz Popp may have one of the answers if not the answer to re-regulating body functions.
I'm curious cobweb this discussion isn't about ABX. And, you obviously have an accusatory tone, so what's your agenda?
One last question Cobweb, are ABX in your opinion a method by itself to cure chronic lyme?
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
I was wondering if you have been in contact with anyone who has used the Bionic880?
I am interested, especially if I can get well with it.
Posted by northstar (Member # 7911) on :
lymie in md: First, I am not against the photon and 880. I have always been open to others trying these things, and getting back to the group with an honest appraisal of experiences, both positive,neutral, and negative.
I have seen positive things actually happen with adjunctive therapies.
However, your statement above implies that the 880 is treating a post lyme syndrome, and not an infection cause, that is, the borrelia.
Yes chronic lyme exists. Lyme instigates the dysregulation of body functions which cause symptoms............Lets say you killed all the lyme in your body with a course of antibiotics. Will the antibiotics fix those areas where lyme dysregulated the function?
I believe most people are interested in it as an infection fighting agent.
Gigi has presented info supporting it's use as an infection fighting agent. Well, at least, the reports say the users felt normal again and do not get sick, i.e. have relapse.
I would guess in a more detailed study, one would find people who test negative (i.e. no response) to ART inquiry of borrelia, but still have symptoms of dysregulation, such as gland or organ dysfunction. Then do the 880.
And also use it with active infections as another group.
I also would inquire about additional therapies that might have been used by the European practitioners, since at times there can be synergistic qualities to adjunctive therapies.
By the way, how much do these things cost?
Northstar
Posted by Cobweb (Member # 10053) on :
Hi Lymed in MD-sorry you feel my tone was accusatory. I can only speak from my own experience-that's all I wish to pass along.
I never mentioned antibiotics-I simply stated that I was treated by more traditional methods-which can and does include a lot more than antibiotics.
As for asking questions-isn't that how we get answers?
And you're right-I do like to simplify in order to clarify-especially for the newbies.
I say go for it, bro. if that's your thing.
Posted by Clancy (Member # 8774) on :
This sounds very promising. We live further up the east coast but would be interested in your fact finding meetings.
Gigi, do you know if one were to get the full tx. in Germany if it would take 4-5 weeks? or is it completely individual?
Thank you, Gigi for researching all this!
Posted by luvs2ride (Member # 8090) on :
L-I-M
I am very interested in this as well. I live in SW Virginia but I already travel to Fairfax to see my doctor. MD may not be that much further depending upon where you are located.
Would you mind IM me with your location (better still the location of the practioner who will be assisting with this treatment) and your phone #?
I may want to opt in on your group if I can. You are a whole lot closer than Germany.
Luvs
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Luv's you are close enough if your interested to join please PM me. I'm trying to keep it within 2 hours driving distance from laurel. And much of Virginia outside Washington is fine.
Thx cobweb for the clarification, and I hope for your complete remission. Hopefully we'll have some positive stories to tell.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Northstar, I think it is both active and post borrelia and the 880 handles both. I guess, I was thinking of myself and cobweb, we're almost well but just not there (80% of health). It could be we have lighter infections but some left over dysregulation.
My view of post lyme : You may still have some lyme, but it is not the main reason for the remaining symptoms. So it doesn't matter if it is an active infection or a lingering one.
The reason for remaining symptoms : the active infection cause organ dysregulation. Bacterial infections from other bacteria, parasites, or viruses. The following is a list of what the 880 treats, notice borreliosis is just one of many.
From the list above it does more then just takes care of the invection. It helps regulate many of the bodies functions.
From: Dr. Med. Ingo Woitzel, Pforzheim
"Since 4 years I work with Bionic 880. The priority of my treatments in my practice, was on Borreliosis. Until now I have treated with success about 108 Borreliosis patients. With bio-photon therapy the patients responded faster as opposed to the long span of treatment with antibiotics. ..."
It's now been 8 years and he's now helped 1200 to live normal lives.
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
Is it very costly for the bionic 880???
I am now VERY interested ...but does it work with ALL levels of illness, including being very ill?
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
I have left 3 responses/questions....It seems No one wants to answer any of my questions...
Thank you Posted by northstar (Member # 7911) on :
Thank you lymie in md,
The interesting aspects are the anti-inflammatory claims, which can also be an (part) cause of neuralgia and arthritis symptoms.
The inflammatory aspect could be a result of low count spirochetes/blebs/cysts/need for further detox, etc., (my speculation).
And co-infections, which still are a mystery in this process. It certainly will be interesting the experiences of users, especially those with co-infections, which are considered by some to be a barrier to full recovery.
Cost?
(I ran across a practitioner who was using something called "The Vibe", which cost them $18,000.00 at the time. I think the website mentioned the word photons! Website was not too detailed, pages had been yanked, etc. Testimonials were kind of "different". It looked like something from the future!)
Northstar
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
The cost of the device is 10k per unit. A group could reduce that cost a great deal if it were shared. There is no technical reason why that couldn't be the case. I believe 25 people in a group could treat this disease based on Dr. Woitzel's treatment plan within 8 weeks. Another 25 could be treated in the next 8 weeks and so on.
Posted by northstar (Member # 7911) on :
Thanks l.i.m.: I did find the cost also; it was in the other thread on the first few pages. It also contained other information that was helpful, and may answer other posters' questions.
To get the link to the other thread, you have to scroll through this thread! I would help, but my eyeballs are rolling right now from trying to find it again.
N/
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
Sorry GiGI but that Thread is VERY long,....it took me a while to not only read it but comprehend it. I had to keep going back and forth.
For people who have been very sick before, I am sure you understand what it is like to be sick and looking for answers.
I am also sure you know what it is like to have problems with reading and comprhending information. I am sure you also understand how scary and lonely it is.
If I was someone who was very ill before and new of things that could possibly help my fellow sufferers I WOULD without an problem.
I understand you have put a lot of research into this. I also understand that asking questions sometimes is like pulling teeth.
Thank you for all of your research and information. I do understand how much work you put into it. I will no longer ask questions about the Bionic 880. I will refer to that thread.
[ 26. May 2008, 07:23 PM: Message edited by: UnexpectedIlls ]
Posted by Cobweb (Member # 10053) on :
We did something similiar L-I-M in our neighborhood for a snowblower-we all chipped in together to get one-and everyone benefited-except it didn't snow that year-and we haven't had much since!
Anyway for those who may be unable to chip in for this bionic (very catchy)880-you can read the Success Stories for free.
It is a thread compiled by Lou B in General Support. While you are there you can see if anyone has had experience with this thing before investing.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I have a question .... is the Bionic 880 something we could do at home? Or do we need someone with the ability to muscle test to help us with it?
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Yes it is something you can do at home and do yourself. In a group the unit is either on the road or someone is on the road to get to it. We treating in houses.
The muscle testing is before the start of treatment and after treatment to see if there are still issues and more treatment is warranted. Once the nosode is selected you treat with it for the 8 weeks.
Hope this helps Six
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
So where do you get the muscle testing done? Does it have to be one particular kind of muscle testing? Which kinds would work?
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
We have NIHA in Washington DC with 3 ART practioners. And I know of one practioner in Baltimore. I guess a way to find out who the practioners are in Ohio is to send an email to nurse A. http://nurseandi.com/start.html
good luck, Bob S...
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
I will try to answer what I can after I have some breakfast. I am starving...........
GiGi
Posted by Bugg (Member # 8095) on :
For what it's worth, I have a private party, who lives and practices in Germany, checking into this...He says lyme disease is a terrible problem there and is quite often in the media...I will let you know what, if anything, he unearths about this device and its practitioners...
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Thanks Bob. I went to the website and the only practitioner near me died last week. Posted by Cobweb (Member # 10053) on :
quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: Thanks Bob. I went to the website and the only practitioner near me died last week.
How?
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cobweb:
quote:Originally posted by sixgoofykids: Thanks Bob. I went to the website and the only practitioner near me died last week.
How?
The website didn't say. He looked pretty old though.
Posted by Cobweb (Member # 10053) on :
quote:Originally posted by lymie_in_md: Cobweb : Why don't you take the information to your llmd. See if he would recommend you do both. Don't mention the treatment group though, just mention the process of using Professor F. A. Popps use of biophotons and then Dr. Woitzel's success through the bionic 880. See what he says.
I have an appointment soon. I'll print this thread and see what she says about it.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Cobweb your post about talking to your LLMD I extol. It tests the assumption this might work and you'd investigate further one way or another, great! But you haven't investigated anything yet. What is a newbie to think, brand something bogus and MLM without investigation.
To summarize there is great bit of investigation in this thread. Maybe you should reread it. Like this product was germinated from years of research by Fritz Popp. It has documentation from Dr. Woitzel of 1200 patients in remission using this product. It has a track record from other health practioner's in Germany with testimonials.
Bugg in another thread said he has a contact in Germany to investigate the claims. You know that is testing the validity of the product. We learn from that. We learn nothing from intuition, or smells, or sounds like MLM without substance.
If you do have some substance to your MLM claims for this product. Why don't you share it.
Posted by Cobweb (Member # 10053) on :
Just reminded me a lot of HerbaLife products that a friend of mine from church sells-and that's without a doubt MLM.
She is a friend and will remain so-but I do not intend to buy any Herbalife from her. So my intuition comes from direct experience of how this works.
You've got my word on running this past my LLMD who links to this site.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I don't see how it could possibly be MLM as no one here is trying to sell the product. No one is trying to even get a commission on it.
Many of us are open to trying something new, and any of us who are interested in this are doing our own research.
BTW, there are many good products that are marketed with MLM ..... even if you don't like their sales tactics.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Cobweb you finally hit my funny bone. My mind is dancing with the obvious parallels between herbal supplements and state of the art lasers.
Posted by Cobweb (Member # 10053) on :
State of the art lasers that aren't even manufactured or patented here in the US. DUH
But you're right , I deleted my post, because it is not up to me to protect the Newbie or the gullible-it is up to the moderators and administraters.
This boils down to nothing more than peddling a product. PERIOD
and you are helping to rope them in.
But hey-that's your business-not mine.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Cold laser therapy or low level far infrared laser therapy is done in alot of places for pain & to help people stop smoking. There are a number of different lasers & LEDs available.
Veteranarian's also use it to heal wounds (sorry for my bad spelling) on horses & other animals.
It would sort of be like saying buying a dental drill is a MLM scam... I don't think so.
Many of these types of products (like Rife, micro-current devices, etc.) were surpressed back in the 1920's. The AMA told doctors that they would revoke their licenses if they developed these devices for healing.
The decision was to promote pharmaceuticals not energy medicine back then. So, much of the research & development of these techniques & devices was surpressed.
All the enthusiasm went into drugs & these became the mainstays of medical practice... Can you guess why??? Because large companies could get rich.
What's important is the nm length of the far infrared wavelengths. This device has a particular length (880 nm) & maybe this is why it works(?).
I'm not sure if the other devices have the same wavelengths or if there are possibly other technological considerations. This technique also combines homeopathy with the biophotonic therapy.
This isn't something most folks at home will be buying... It's more for doctors or practicioners to offer as a service to their patients.
How many drug company reps do you think the average doctor sees? How many vacations & perks do the doctors get offered to give drug prescriptions to patients?
If this therapy really works - the drug companies will go broke.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Please not that the Bionic is not a laser. I will explain it on the other thread when I have time later today.
Take care.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Can't wait to hear GiGi! I am reading every word you have said about this device and am really looking forward to hear how it works for your husband. My husband and I are seriously discussing purchasing one ourselves.
I just don't want you to think no one is reading with interest ..... I certainly am.
I have six healthy kids and a husband who have all been exposed to Lyme though me and through tick bites of their own. I'm thinking this sounds like a great way to keep them healthy. Right now I feel like they are just time bombs, like I was.
As expensive as Lyme treatment is, 10k to keep 7 people healthy is pretty cost effective .... and if it can get me well, that's a bonus.
Don't worry Ohioans, if I get it I won't be selfish with it. Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
To summarize it has 84 (LED) diodes at 880nm if you don't want to read on.
Technical Data of the equipment
Bionic with 880 cluster sample (applicator)
Frequency, power supply and duration are computer-controlled. Frequency, power supply and duration are computer-controlled. Parameter adjustment with user directions Adjustment parameters with user directions
Control Device: Control Device:
Dimensions: L 27 cm x W 17 cm x H 8 cm, height with placed radiation head 12,5 cm / Dimensions: L 27 cm x 17 cm x W H 8 cm, height with radiation head placed 12.5 cm /
14.17 x 6.73 x 3.35 inches, height with placed radiation head 4.92 inches 14.17 x 6.73 x 3.35 inches, height with radiation head placed 4.92 inches
approx. approx. 3.000 mW on the surface of the treated fabric and/or. 3,000 mW on the surface of the treated fabric and / or. approx. approx. 150 mW/cm2 150 mW/cm2
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Thanks Bob! I'm going to have to digest this when my head stops hurting.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
bump
Posted by luvs2ride (Member # 8090) on :
***For those who don't think America is doing this****
Please go back to my post early in this thread where I link to NASA and their use of Photon Therapy.
They are not doing nosodes and lyme treatment but they certainly give great credibility to the authenticity of Photon Light Therapy.
Luvs
Posted by yanivnaced (Member # 13212) on :
I read the science behind it and it looks promising. I'd be interested in hearing of your experiences with it.
Does anybody have an account at Lymenet Europe? Maybe you might want to ask if anybody there has had experience with it or knows somebody that has.
A word of warning - there are some members over there that might start frothing at the mouth at the mention of anything non-abx.
Posted by heiwalove (Member # 6467) on :
yeah, i don't think lymenet europe is the place to ask about this. maybe the eurolyme yahoo group, if anyone belongs to that? i'm not sure of their stance on alternative treatments..
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
When Tosho listed the German Lyme-forums the other day, I checked some of them out - could not find anything relating to photon therapy. Same as here. Just take a look here - haven't counted the people showing an interest here, but considering how many frequent this board over the years, hardly a few take notice openly.
Many people remain lurkers and many are happy with abx. As long as the drug companies can sell their antibiotics, nothing is ever going to change. Too bad.
Take care.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
quote:Originally posted by luvs2ride: Please go back to my post early in this thread where I link to NASA and their use of Photon Therapy.
I can't find this post. Posted by luvs2ride (Member # 8090) on :
Six,
I'm sorry. I think my post was under GiGi's thread. Let me go look.
FYI - this LED device is similar to the Bionic 880 but costs $295.
It is not exactly the same & I am not saying people should use this instead... but if you want to try far infrared healing at home without having to find a practicioner - you may be interested in trying this device.
I'm going to do a bit more research but I am considering buying it - so, I can't say, personally, if this is a helpful device.
There is alot of good evidence that NIR is helpful for many ailments.
The LightWorks generates an intense LED Light output using Constant-Current. The Hand Paddle has high intensity LEDs on both sides.
One side has 60 Red LEDs at a wavelength of 660nm.
The other side of the Hand Paddle has 55 high intensity Near-Infrared (NIR) LEDs at a wavelength of 880nm.
There are also 5 Red LEDs at 660nm wavelength on the NIR side of the paddle to indicate the NIR LEDs are working as NIR light is invisible to the human eye.
In Auto function, the lights cycle through 8 unique therapeutic modes* for 4 minutes each. You can also manually select a pulse rate or constant (no pulse) mode.
Constant current of 20 milliamps per LED (Constant current ensures each LED has the same output and that each LED works under optimal electrical conditions.)
Very High Intensity LED Output. (Red 660nm LEDs output ~197 mW Total, and the NIR 880nm LEDs output ~228 mW Total)
The 660nm Red LED side puts out 177 Joules in 15 minutes (in Constant Mode).
The 880nm NIR LED side puts out 205 Joules in 15 minutes (in Constant Mode).
Unit functions and Frequencies controlled by Micro-Computer
Hand Paddle connects to base unit with standard telephone cord
Compact and lightweight.
CE Certification
The LightWorks is a professionally designed quality unit, thoroughly tested and guaranteed to operate as per the specifications.
LightWorks LED System $295.00 (Incl S&H in USA & Canda)
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Thank you luvs (and Sparkle).
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Just came back from Pam Weintraub's booking signing and her discussion of lyme and the scientific community. Excellent discussion!
I basically canvassed a few people and many lymies there don't participate in lymenet. So a great many people don't know of these threads of information we've discussed.
I'm trying to involve the leaders first then go to some of their meetings and talk about the technology and hope to drive interest.
It is alot of work. Six that is why I said I was really busy this week during lymechat.
One point Pam made which I took to heart is how we need to band together. Not to necessarily change the political landscape. Instead to fund our own self interest which is full remission. I think in doing a group we are taking that step.
Just a note : we should never ever ever say the cure word. It is a four letter word.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
6goofy - there's alot of info about far infrared healing if you do a search on google.
I think there's more studies of FIR than of Rife or other electro devices. The studies don't necessarily have to do with Lyme directly but there is significant evidence of FIR & healing.
It being explored by the military for wound healing, as well.
I'll post more articles when I find them.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
re: "need to band together"
I agree with this. I'm not expecting the gov't to change dramatically anytime soon.
It's been over 30 years that people have been getting Lyme. All we get is confusion & disinformation...
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
At the present time, our Bionic 880, is still stuck at customs/FDA/Medical Tool in Wilmington, Ohio.
Can anyone guess how happy we feel about this right now ----- ?????
Take care.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Reallllllllly happy for you GiGi, Hopefully it will be released soon. Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
quote:Originally posted by GiGi: At the present time, our Bionic 880, is still stuck at customs/FDA/Medical Tool in Wilmington, Ohio.
Can anyone guess how happy we feel about this right now ----- ?????
Take care.
Ohio? Hmmm, maybe I can sneak up there and use it while it's stuck here! Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
I'm sorry that all of this created a big controversy & GiGi had to remove the main thread about the Bionic 880.
The info may have been useful to people who browse the internet for info.
I hope the machine gets through customs & arrives quickly.
In any case, this opened up a whole new doorway to thinking about Lyme & infrared therapy for me... and just thinking about using light for healing in general.
Posted by scared08 (Member # 14695) on :
Many thanks to all of you who are researching, sharing your thoughts and experiences about this!!
I've read this thread 3 times and I'm still lost!! That's okay---I'll just keep an eye on it until it makes since to me.
Y'all are talking back and forth to each other, (most, not everyone) and seem to be pretty versed in this.
For those of us that are 'NEWBIES'----we're lost!
By the time I get to the 4th or 5th post; I've already forgotten what I read in the first post! UNFORTUNITELY, THIS IS PART OF THIS FRUSTRATING DISEASE!!!
I'm not looking for a responce and I REALLY DON'T MEAN THIS TO BE RUDE OR STEP ON ANYONES TOES!!!
Someone became very frusterated with a NEWBIE, stating that they will not repeat themselves. I'm sure it's very frusterating to be asked the same questions over and over again.
This NEWBIE apolgized and promised not to ask anymore questions!!!!!!! THAT IS THE SADDEST THING I'VE SEEN LATELY!!!!
This girl is at her wits end! She is hurting so much, emotionally and physchally! She saw this and she got excited, praying that maybe there is hope with this! Unfortunitally, she was emarressed to the point that she has not been back on this thread.
I AM SURE THAT MANY OF YOU REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS/OR IS LIKE TO BE SO ILL THAT YOU CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT YOU'VE READ. OR---YOU READ IT 4,5,MAYBE 6 TIMES AND STILL FIND YOURSELF SCRATHING YOUR HEAD THINKING "Why am I not getting this???!!!!" I know that I do it all the time and it is soooo darn frusterating!!
I've met many wonderful poeple here that I just don't know what I would have done without them. I'm very thankful for that.
EXAMPLE: I know that many of you are following Byrons' thread on the new treatment.
A few weeks ago, she had sent be all of the info on this new Dr.
When I read the thread recently, I was so happy for her and excited and asked for all of the info.
As sick as she is right now, she took the time to send me 3 PM's!
Then I realized that she had already sent me everything 3 weeks ago, but somehow I had forgotten agout it!!! :^{
I SO appreiciate that, and she didn't even mention that she'd already sent it!
Please be a little more patient with those who are so ill, they just don't understand what they're even reading.
I hope I hav'nt upset anyone!! It's just that getting as upset as unexpectedills was, could be enought to push her over the edge!!!
I know----I've been there
Thank you
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
bump
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by sparkle7:
It's been over 30 years that people have been getting Lyme.
It's been far longer than that!!
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Posted this on another thread today and thought it would be of interest for you hardworking group builders!
Actual treatment time took two weeks and a couple of days. Rest is just appointments for checking to make sure everything still negative as far as nosode testing.
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As I promised, here is the gist of my conversation this morning with a patient who was treated by Dr. Woitzel with the Photon Therapy (Bionic 880).
I called our family friend who still lives in my home town in Germany. A retired professional. She lives about half an hour away from Dr. Woitzel.
She started the conversation with exactly these words: ``I am sooooo happy!'' She is symptom-free.
``I was there five times, and with the third time I already noticed that my pains were getting less, and now I go once every four weeks; next week, that is my last time, because he will be testing me if really all borrelia is gone.''
``What impressed me especially is that I received no chemicals of any kind, only the photon therapy. following it got some infusions to help the detoxification to take place.''
I asked her: Did you react strongly to the first treatment?
``No, absolutely not.''
You didn't notice anything?
``Nothing. The first time I thought--- well I was tired - The third time that's when I noticed that I got nauseous in the night and I got diarrhea. But that was one time, and then I knew that my body was pushing all of this out.''
How sick were you? How long did you - did you know that you got bit by a tick?
``Yes, I was bit in June 2006 and got this red circle - then I went to an emergency doctor on the weekend. Then I got antibiotica for 20 days. Then I told my PCP that I had the feeling this is not all okay yet. And he said: there is nothing we can do and just wait it out. I waited, but went then to a naturopath, because I was always tired and felt run-down. He determined that there still was something there. But he said that he was not as experienced in this matter, but that we at least start strengthening my immune system. That is what we did, and then in November 2007 the pain really started to take over in the joints, and always as soon as I was lying down. They got so severe by January this year that I went back to the naturopath telling him I couldn't tolerate it any longer. I didn't want to go to my PCP, because he wouldn't do anything anyway.
Then the naturopath told me he didn't know what to do at this point, but he gave me this address that he found on the internet. He said''you can go there. I do not know the man.'' And then I thought `help, no matter what'. I called there and the practice helper told me ``yes, many come to us who have this. Stop by.''
She said: " All that impressed me, but what impressed me most was that Dr. Woitzel then contacted my naturopath to get some more of my history. He at once asked for the naturopath's name and address and telephoned him. That really impressed me very much, because I had never experienced anything like that.
He told me the last two times when I was there that it looks okay. He tests me everytime. I don't know if I will have to go another time, but I have an appointment.
Further general discussion between her and me:
She also said that Dr Woitzel told her that this disease is increasing horribly, not only by ticks, but also flies and mosquitos. He told her that it is a very dangerous situation.
She said he also told her to be careful. That one is not immune to the next bite. She told me that she another tick got her this year already, no reddening, but that she would tell him when she sees him next week. `` It was a very little one and I noticed it right away. But he told me to be careful.''
I asked her: Did you do anything in the inbetween days? Two days apart and then again? No, nothing was done during those days. ``I was surprised myself that this went so quickly.''
``It takes about an hour for the treatment. That isn't bad at all. They touch the ten different points on the body, 320 seconds, and when that time is up, drink a glass of water. And then to the next point (on the body) ---that's all'' she said.
I told her how happy I was to be able to talk to her and she wished us the same success and that we might get together because my brother still lives in the same town. I told her that I was hopeful that my husband could be helped also.
Then she added: ``I must tell you this: Dr. Woitzel does not give up. I have an acquaintance who had Borrelia, but she has a number of other problems (pain related) and he is treating that particular symptom. He does not give up. My hat is off to him.''
She also said ''we need a lot more doctors like him.''
Amen --- says me.
Hope that gives you an idea of how it works.
Posted by Alv (Member # 15192) on :
Wow GIGI that is owesome.Did you received your machine yet ?
Yes we really need some doctors like him over here.
Posted by heiwalove (Member # 6467) on :
GiGi, thanks so much for sharing that conversation. how exciting!!
i wonder if dr. k would be interested in purchasing the device and using it in his office?? i hope so.
take good care.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Bob, I will add this bit of good news (my husband says I am full of it) here to keep your thread going.
I just wanted to make certain that I understood things right, i.e. that all co-infections, such as
Babesia
Bartonella hens
Ehrlichiosa
Mycoplasma pneu
Chlamydia pneu
Rickettsia rickettsii /
Borrelia - burgdorferi
are automatically treated with the Borrelia nosodes, i.e. the different potencies of Borrelia nosode treat Borrelia and all co-infections at the same time, in the same treatment. In other words, they are all covered by the first five treatments in a little over two weeks. They are not separately (energetically) tested. They are automatically a part of the treatment via Borrelia nosodes.
This was confirmed to me by Dr. Woitzel today.
(I have always looked at these critters as being cousins. I guess the Borrelia just opens the door and the photons invite the cells to communicate with each to 'get this house in order.')
Isn't that good news?
Take care.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Really great news on both posts. Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Alv, I instructed customs/FDA to send it back to the sender. I am not going to sit and wait any longer. It is sad!!!! The company will have to get into fast gear. It is in five European countries.
Heather, I don't know - he is on a trip just getting back. A.R. is as happy about it as we are.
Take care.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
So, GiGi, does this mean we can't bring one of these machines here? Will you be able to pick it up in Germany and bring it over yourself? I don't understand. Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
If there is no way to get this here and GiGi has good results on her upcoming trip, we should all get a flight to Germany and party hard on the way back... Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
They may be able to make a device similar to the Bionic 880.
The important thing is to have the exact amount of LEDs that the Bionic 880 uses (I think it was 84 LEDs with the 880 nm range)
And, to have a computer attached that pulses the LEDs to the same frequencies as the Bionic 880. This information about the frequencies is provided on the website of the Bionic 880.
It shouldn't be too hard to replicate the same features as the Bionic 880...
I don't know for certain if this will work but it's worth a try.
There are also other devices available in the US that are similar to the Bionic 880. I have posted the info several times.
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
I think you are likely simplifying things greatly. I don't think that it is easy to replicate this and why try when there is a device that already appears to be proven?
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
I do know that the Bionic 880 was several years in the making, while Dr. Woitzel was doing his balancing act reaching the results he gets today. Every company has their secrets. I used to work for Porsche in the fifties. The competition was always looking over the fence!
I am all for getting any of the hundreds of other instruments if they do the job like Bionic 880 does.
So far, this is the only instrument in the world at this moment that does what it does - it gets the Lyme and all the other critters and toxins out of the way in minimum time ---- Just think -- two weeks and a few! I do not want to lose another day if I can help it. And you guys can then go back to work with a fantastic brain, a healthy body, and make up for lost time! I will just tend to my vegetable garden.
Take care.
P.S. I will bring this box back to complete the healing here.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
quote:Originally posted by SForsgren: If there is no way to get this here and GiGi has good results on her upcoming trip, we should all get a flight to Germany and party hard on the way back...
Maybe we can all charter a flight and book a block of rooms. Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
quote:Originally posted by GiGi: P.S. I will bring this box back to complete the healing here.
So, do I understand this correctly? You cannot have one sent over, but if you go get it yourself you can bring it into the country?
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
hey six, I'll bring the krispy kremes for a snack on the plane. Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
O my, I hit the big number - 5500 posts - It's time for me to close up. Though it looks that they can't cound beyond 55001.......... welll
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
quote:Originally posted by lymie_in_md: hey six, I'll bring the krispy kremes for a snack on the plane.
I hope the 880 gets candida then!!!
Gigi, my post must have gotten lost in the banter ... are you able to bring an 880 back from Germany when you go? Is it only having one sent over that is the problem?
Congratulations on the 5501 posts!
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
re Scott: "I think you are likely simplifying things greatly. I don't think that it is easy to replicate this and why try when there is a device that already appears to be proven?"
Well, the Bionic 880 is (I think) 6,000 euros...(that's about $10,000) as opposed to less expensive devices.
From what I could see, there are 3 components -
1. number of LEDs 2. computer driven pulse rates in a particular frequency 3. nanometer penetration (880 nm)
What else is there? These components can be replicated for less money.
I guess it would be nice to have a Mercedes Benz but all I can afford right now is a used Ford...
The LightWorks by SOTA has similar components. I've compared them at length on another thread. The LightWorks is $295.
I don't think the use of nosodes & light is a proprietary function of just the Bionic 880. Isn't there a nurse who uses a green laser & various remedies?
I might be mistaken but I'm willing to put out the $295 to try the LightWorks when I get the money.
If you have $10,000 to spend on this - that's great but I don't. You don't even know if they will allow them to be imported.
This technology may even be supressed so it's probably a good idea to look into alternatives.
I think all of this is wonderful but I have a feeling that there are ways to accomplish the same task for less money.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Repeating my previous comment:
I am all for getting any of the hundreds of other instruments if they do the job like Bionic 880 does.
Sparkle, go get them. I will be the first one to jump on. Talking and arguing about it here does not get us very far. Call the people whose instruments you have researched which come close and could be altered - tweaked - . I would just love to hear about it. I would cancel our trip!
[ 07. June 2008, 01:40 PM: Message edited by: GiGi ]
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
Sparkle you've got the ball, lets find a vendor to get it close to the specifications. We might as well try it, the bionic 880 is just starting to apply for FDA approval, that could be a year or more. Once we're satisified with a device, lets get it energetically tested and see where it goes from there.
If it doesn't work what have we lost trying. We don't have anything like it now. So, you either go to germany or we influence a reasonable clone.
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
bump
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
The Maryland group is still growing adding two new members today. We are going to continue to grow until we reach 25 and add some alternates just in case.
After GiGi posted the information about needing to find out more about Dr. Ws protocol, I suspect it prudent to go into wait mode until more is known. GiGi will be going to Germany for her husbands treatment. GiGi will better understand the protocol and inform us on what is necessary for it to work.
The only actions the Maryland group will continue during this time. Is to continue to grow the group and to involve and inform health practioners who will be working with the group during treatment.
When GiGi gets back from Germany we will determine what next steps to take.
To all our health, Bob Posted by halvador (Member # 16648) on :
Does any one know if there is a group in the united states with the Bionic 880 machine
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
The first one is in Washington, GiGi has it.
I'm glad you brought up this thread. For those who want to continue with the bionic 880 group for Maryland please post. I want to get a machine ordered by mid september.
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