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Posted by mikej2323 (Member # 8913) on :
 
I've done a search and can't find the article that recently came out that stated long-term abx. IS, in fact, needed for LD...indicating all the ducks were wrong.

Anyone know where to find it?

Thanks.
Mike

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Posted by mikej2323 (Member # 8913) on :
 
Well, it supported the existence of the chronic or persistent form of LD...can't remember which one.

Mike
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Posted by bettyg (Member # 6147) on :
 
mike,

are you talking about dr. fallon's recent study where it was published last year saying LONG TERM ABX was needed and published in PUB MED !!??

if son, do a search for DR. FALLON'S STUDY; gotta get off; been on here for hours answering pms, llmds, newbie packages, etc. [sleepy]
 
Posted by Melanie Reber (Member # 3707) on :
 
Was it this one?

Persistence of Borrelia burgdorferi Following Antibiotic Treatment in Mice.

Emir Hodzic, Sunlian Feng, Kevin Holden, Kimberly J. Freet, and Stephen W. Barthold.

Center for Comparative Medicine, Schools of Medicine and Veterinary Medicine, University of California at Davis, One Shields Avenue, Davis, CA 95616

Antimicrob. Agents Chemother. doi:10.1128/AAC.01050-07
(murine persistence study)
 
Posted by Melanie Reber (Member # 3707) on :
 
Counterpoint: Long-Term Antibiotic Therapy Improves Persistent Symptoms Associated with Lyme Disease.

Raphael B. Stricker, MD.

International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society, Bethesda, Maryland.

Clinical Infectious Diseases. June 15, 2007.

http://www.ilads.org/files/publications_stricker_06_2007.pdf
 
Posted by seibertneurolyme (Member # 6416) on :
 
Think this is what you are looking for.

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=065354

Bea Seibert

P.S. Mike -- Did you get my email?
 
Posted by mikej2323 (Member # 8913) on :
 
Yeah...I think that was more than what I was asking for. Well done.

Yes Bea- I did get it. Thank-you.

We had a researcher contact us stating urine testing revealed mycotoxins. He thinks antifungals, muscle energy techniques, cholestyramine, and possibly some liver/kidney treatments will help.

Her PT noticed pitting edema around her neck yesterday [below the base of her skull]. This is where her head sits, but it's hard to believe this could be a result of position...she's been in this position for quite some time.


Mike
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Posted by hshbmom (Member # 9478) on :
 
Hi Mike,


Have you seen the file of articles at Lyme Info...specifically about the persistence of the bacteria after antibiotic treatment?


Here's the link:


Persistence File:


http://www.lymeinfo.net/medical/LDPersist.pdf


These abstracts show that Lyme disease can persist or relapse despite antibiotic therapy. 12 pages. Last modified: September 2003


A thought about the pitting edema....


Alex may have lymphedema, the leaking of lymphatic fluid into the tissue. The plasma leaks into the tissue too, then pulls more fluid into the surrounding tissue. It can cause pitting edema.


This is a pretty new field, some physicians are not aware of lymphedema, and just assume their patients are obese. There are lymphedema specialists. I posted recently about lymphedema, cellulitis, vasculitis, and manual lymphatic drainage/ lymphatic massage. Trained therapists can also apply compression bandages if needed.


Lymphedema vasculitis cellulitis


http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=067396


I posted it yesterday.


You might to want to look at the general information links at this website about lymphedema and it's treatment.


It makes sense that people with Lyme could get secondary lymphedema...Lyme disease is a bacterial infection that can damage our endothelium (blood vessel walls).


I don't think it's too much of a stretch to assume our lymphatic vessels could also be damaged by this disease. Secondary lymphedema due to a Lyme or other TBD infection.


Here's a couple posts about this subject:


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=037940


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=025017
 
Posted by daise (Member # 13622) on :
 
Mike,

The Ilads Guidelines are evidence based:

http://www.ilads.org/guidelines.html

daise [Smile]
 


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