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Posted by antsettler (Member # 7236) on :
 
somebody feel better with nightfall? can be by melatonin? taking melatonin somebody feel better in symptoms?
greetings,
ant
 
Posted by djf2005 (Member # 11449) on :
 
no not melatonin for me but im the same way..

its another lyme mystery

derek
 
Posted by Tracy9 (Member # 7521) on :
 
Me too ant! I think that's why so many of us are on Lyme Chat till the wee hours, we are at our best and everyone else is asleep!!!
 
Posted by troutscout (Member # 3121) on :
 
Since you are suffering from a form of sub-acute enchephalitous at varying times...this means that the signal of light can irritate your optic nerve and the occiputal lobe of the brain.....

This becomes more irritating in the 'dusk to dawn'....'dawn to dusk' times of the day.

Long shadows and contrasting light will cause things to worsen also.

WHen the sun is down.....your optic nerve relaxes...and so do YOU.

Trout [Wink]

Not an MD...just Lymie.
 
Posted by Cadames62008 (Member # 16275) on :
 
I also feel better at night then during the day
 
Posted by Geneal (Member # 10375) on :
 
I have POTs and NMH.

I usually do better in afternoon as well as evenings.

Unless I am herxing.

Hugs,

Geneal
 
Posted by feelfit (Member # 12770) on :
 
I start feeling better at night too, around 7:30 or so.

Trout, thank you for that optic nerve info, makes sense.

Feelfit
 
Posted by cactus (Member # 7347) on :
 
I, too, feel better in the afternoon and evening. Since there are so many with this issue, thought I'd share this recent experience:

My partner recently saw Dr B give a lecture, and Dr B mentioned this pattern. Until then, I had not mentioned it to my LLMD, just chalked it up to part of the Lyme experience.

Once I mentioned it, LLMD ordered an adrenal panel (saliva test) and called recently with the results.

LLMD summed it up this way, "I can see that you feel terrible in the morning, start to pick up a bit around noon, feel fairly well in the late afternoon, and then can't sleep at night."

My morning cortisol is extremely low (morning is when it should be highest), it begins to climb around noon, but does not reach anything like a normal "morning" level until 9 pm. At that point, our cortisol level should be fairly low, so we can go to sleep.

If that pattern seems to fit any of you, you might consider looking into cortisol testing. Taking just a tiny amount in the morning seems to be helping me tremendously.

Hope this helps.
 
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
 
Tracy, since Ant is in Spain, it's the wee hours when we start at 8! I was guessing you had insomnia Ant! [Smile]

I was like that. My LLMD prescribed sleep medications so that I could get adequate sleep.

It's hard to go to bed when you know you will feel worse in the morning.

Mine is getting better with treatment. Also since I got rid of that Select Comfort bed that was moldy! I have slept well every night since then. So, maybe also check your room for mold or other toxins.
 
Posted by Gabrielle (Member # 5329) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cactus:
LLMD ordered an adrenal panel (saliva test)

LLMD summed it up this way, "I can see that you feel terrible in the morning, start to pick up a bit around noon, feel fairly well in the late afternoon, and then can't sleep at night."

My morning cortisol is extremely low (morning is when it should be highest), it begins to climb around noon, but does not reach anything like a normal "morning" level until 9 pm. At that point, our cortisol level should be fairly low, so we can go to sleep.

That is exactly my problem, too. I also had the spit test. But I haven't tried yet to take a bit of cortisol in the mornings. Thank you for mentioning it.

I had another test done which found that I'm extremely low in many minerals, vitamins and amino acids. Since I'm supplementing what I'm lacking, the difference between morning and evening isn't so big anymore.

I think it's the lack of nutrients which is causing this hormonal imbalance.

Gabrielle
 
Posted by cactus (Member # 7347) on :
 
Gabrielle, what test did you use to find out what you're lacking?

I would love to try it.

Since supplementing with the cortisol, I am amazed at the difference - and anything that might enhance that would be such a gift!

Supplementing Vit D has helped, too, as well as B-12 injections, by the way.
 
Posted by thomasx (Member # 13431) on :
 
yup. Crappy in morning... then usually switch over to somewhat "human" feeling sometime from mid-afternoon to evening. Sometimes it's a very distinct switchover. Boom and I feel better.
 
Posted by Gabrielle (Member # 5329) on :
 
Cactus,

The test was part of a so-called nitrostress profile. They checked:

Aminoacids:

Essential amino acids:

- Leucine
- Isoleucine
- Threonine
- Valine
- Lysine
- Methionine
- Phenylalanine
- Tryptophane
- Histidine

Non-essential amino acids:

- Glycine
- Alanine
- Serine
- Arginine
- Cysteine
- Tyrosine
- Proline
- Glutamine acid
- Glutamine
- Asparagine acid
- Asparagin

Non-proteinogene amino acids:

- Taurin
- Ornithin
- Citrulline
-
Carnitin in serum


Micro nutrients in full blood:

- Potassium
- Calcium
- Magnesium
- Copper
- Iron
- Zink
- Selen
- 1,25 (OH) 2 Vitamine D3 (Calcitriol)
- 25 (OH) Vitamin D3 (Calcitriol)
- Vit B 12
- Coenzyme Q10


The full nitrostress profile was far more comprehensive (vitamins and fatty acids, gut flora profile, etc.) but my doc (not my LLMD) wasn't willing to do everything [Frown] He said: you don't have that!

When he saw my bad results he went: "But if you are lacking so many nutrients you must feel very ill".

Hello???? I didn't see him because of his nice blue eyes! [bonk]

Gabrielle
 
Posted by Gabrielle (Member # 5329) on :
 
Cactus,

In case you want to know:

I was lacking:

- Leucine
- Isoleucine
- Methionine
- Phenylalanin
- Tryptophane
- Arginine
- Tyrosine
- Glutamine acid
- Asparagine acid
- Asparagine
- Taurine
- Citrulline
- Carnitine in serum

In the other amino acids I was at the low end of normal.

Further, I was lacking (extremely low):

- Potassium
- Calcium
- Magnesium
- Iron
- Zink

- 25 (OH) Vitamin D3 (Calcitriol)
- Vitamin B 12

Gabrielle
 
Posted by GNBRETT (Member # 17241) on :
 
I always feel worse in the morning and better at night.
 
Posted by cactus (Member # 7347) on :
 
Gabrielle, thanks for the test info! I wonder if we'd all have results similar to yours...

Will do some checking around to see if it's possible to get a similar test done here.

Anything to feel well in the mornings...
 
Posted by hcconn22 (Member # 5263) on :
 
Six said:

"t's hard to go to bed when you know you will feel worse in the morning."

EXACTLY!!!!!


[hi]
 
Posted by Radha (Member # 8464) on :
 
its nice to know i am not the only one! i feel

the best around 2 or 3 am in the morning and the

worst when i get up at 8 or 9 and yes its too

depressing to know you are going to wake up

feeling much worse than when before you went to

sleep and everyday!

radha
 


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